55, the bubble, a shortstack, and me

[Jimbobobb]

Just deleted someone the previous hand, so there is no SB

BB (200 chips remaning after posting 200 BB)
UTG ~1400
CO ~3800
Hero(button) ~2400


UTG raises to 700 - I have seen him raise half his stack multiple times pf, no idea what he does this with since he's never been called before

Co folds

Hero looks down and sees 5s 5d

And the concensus is?

[Chiron]

do you even have to ask? 55 is a godsend.

[Jimbobobb]

I don't have to ask to know what I think I should do, I ask because I'm wondering what other people have to say about it. I guess you favor a push eh? /images/graemlins/wink.gif Why is that?

[BradleyT]

I don't know why you consider it a godsend when you have unknown FE (close to 0). Do you expect him to have undercards or something?

Maybe a stop and go might work best here. Personally I usually fold and wait for a better spot with 10-12BB still left but that's just me.

[Jimbobobb]

Let's say you expect him to have overcards...should you take your slight edge even if you're pretty sure you have very little folding equity?

[BradleyT]

I usually don't although you do have him covered and still have 1000 left if you lose. I'd like to think I can get an edge higher than 50% on the bubble.

If I had 88+ I would push since there's a much better chance he has an underpair and less of a chance for an overpair.

Also, we can't forget about the big blind with only 200 chips left after posting. He's committed so that's some equity we're losing to him ~30% of the time.

[jgunnip]

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If I had 88+ I would push since there's a much better chance he has an underpair and less of a chance for an overpair.

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These were my thoughts as well, although I would still consider a push with 55. However the shortstack is pretty much dead though so he could be calling this regardless of your play which would make me lean towards a fold. But maybe this way of thinking is a leak in my game. FWIW, I have have as many 1st finishes as 3rd but twice as many 3rds as 4ths.

[Jimbobobb]

If you're the small stack in this situation, and the Button pushes over the top, would you usually call? or fold and hope that UTG called and Button won?

[Jimbobobb]

And given that Small stack would usually fold (I would think, who knows?), is it then smart for UTG to call, or to fold, since Small stack is now almost completely gone?

[microbet]

I don't know at the moment, and I can't stay to think, as a poopy diaper is waiting for me, but you may well have a lot of FE here. If you push and BB folds, which he might well do, it is going to be hard for UTG to call.

[Chiron]

Wow, I totally misread the hand. My bad... I thought YOU had 200 chips and had just posted 200.

I'd probably let UTG do his thing here, but what do I know.

[shejk]

This is a nice push.

[augie00]

Fold. Make the money. Then, next time you get 55, push.

[Jimbobobb]

I probably money either way. I have UTG covered by a K, and even if I lose Smally has only a BB left if he folds. If I win I've pretty much got 2nd locked up with a nice shot of winning it. I also likely have the best hand if I'm called, regardless of how slim that edge. Still fold?

[Newt_Buggs]

If the BB is loose, he will almost always call making a push the right play. If UTG is a weak tight player he will probably fold this making pushing the right play. Pushing this when there is a good chance that the SB folds and UTG calls is very bad. Basically, this is one of those few hands that will actually be very read dependent. With no reads, I would fold and get ITM

[Nick M]

ahhhhhhhh instamuck...weak bubble play is bad, but anything but folding here would be just retarded.

[freemoney]

real easy push, BB is huge for you, screw the icm also if you win you are guaranteed second if you lose the BB is still veryyy short so you arent in real danger of missing the money- with the fold equity and fact your hand is usually best this is an easy push.

[Scuba Chuck]

What a great scenario to discuss. Your only read on UTG is that he has raised half his stack pf multiple times, but has never been pushed over (right?).

There's only one real question to consider....

What's your read on BB? Is he a thinking player? Is there any chance he'll fold? If you think you've got a greater than 50/50 chance he'll fold, I'd push this hand.

[Losing all]

50/50? even donks will fold most hands here and pray. It is a very interesting hand though. I'm pretty sure this is an autopush for the "1st or 4th" cowboys among us. Tougher call for the "make the money first" crowd. It's so close for me (sans reads) that it would probably depend on my mood. I can't see it being too wrong either way.

[beeyjay]

don't look at your cards and push.

[beeyjay]

you have good fold equity

[beeyjay]

not pushing is a sin

[Nick M]

come on man hahaha a sin!!??? I don't know I guess to each his own.

[beeyjay]

i'm baffled at how many people are folding this. The BB is going to fold in this situation unless hes a total monkey (which is true but hes the trying to fold into the money kind of monkey i'm assuming) in which case utg boy is gonna fold because hes a fold into the money kind of monkey too. If he wanted to play this hand he would have pushed. He wants to isolate the BB and hope he takes that down but not risk all his chips in case one of the big stacks wakes up with a hand behind him. (or in case one of the big stacks has a clue and will push with any 2 in this situation) If you have a bigger stack and you let a smaller stack start pushing you areound and isolating people you should find a different hobby. THis is like someone giving you a direct transfer into your account and its not a situation that comes along all that often.

[beeyjay]

this is like somebody transfering money into your account. All you have to do is push.

[Jimbobobb]

BB is tight as anything, I'm sorry this really should have gone in the original post. He's basically been blinded into the spot where he now resides. For those of you saying "fold, make the money", how exactly do I not make the money by folding? I have UTG covered.