being a dick??

[DcifrThs]

I want to work on live shorthanded more.

enough i will pay rake to do it.

so from now on, i plan on not chopping live at all.

is it worth it in terms of the table image of the rest of the table hating me for slowing down the game? being a likely outcast not chopper? etc.?

-Barron

[trying2learn]

i've seen a couple different players play the 'dick' table image to perfection and have it pay off for them in spades.

i think it depends on your personality whether or not you can make it work for you. if you can keep yourself from getting emotional - and don't care what others at the table think of you...then it is a viable strategy.

takes a rare bird i would think though.

[Vincent Lepore]

Don't chop. I always chop in a rake game but I make a mistake by doing so. Regardless of what your reason just don't chop. Politely inform both sides of you and from my experience you will not be treated adversely.

vince

[Daliman]

As long as you tell the players on each side of you when you sit that you don;t chop, they likely will not hassle you too much, although not chopping DOES have a bit of a ripple effect. Not chopping only pisses off the types of player syou definitely DON'T want to chop against, and, of cours,e is well within your rights.

That said, I personally usually chop, cuz live poker to me is more social, but I always try to set up a $1 sidebet on best hand hot/cold. Actually a +EV bet for me because on 3 occasions I have said I had best hand with something like (Td vs 33 and won $10, $20, and $100 sidebetting in each case /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Vincent Lepore]

put the 2d next to that Td and I'll take the 3,3

vince

[BottlesOf]

Just say you never chop. You may want to tell the players adjacent to you when you first sit down. But there's nothing wrong with this.

[Daliman]

OOPs, was supposed to be T9d

[Derek in NYC]

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Just say you never chop. You may want to tell the players adjacent to you when you first sit down. But there's nothing wrong with this.

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If being a dick is your objective, even better: selectively chop. When it is folded to you in the small blind, look at your cards and then say, raise. When you are in the big blind and the SB offers to chop, look at your cards and ask for a chop

[Daliman]

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Just say you never chop. You may want to tell the players adjacent to you when you first sit down. But there's nothing wrong with this.

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If being a dick is your objective, even better: selectively chop. When it is folded to you in the small blind, look at your cards and then say, raise. When you are in the big blind and the SB offers to chop, look at your cards and ask for a chop

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I hope you realize this could never work unless players constantly changed, as from the BB, you would be asked for a chop b4 looking at your cards, and once you looked yourself, he would not chop,(or would raise instead when you looked and did say you would), and from the SB, obviously, if you raise, you are known as not chopping.

[Flashy]

Depending on the rake policy it can be awfully stupid not to chop.

How does not chopping improve heads up play? There is a regular player at Canterbury who told me that. I don't know if playing headsup in the blinds really makes much of a difference if the person you are up against is a terrible headsup player. How much are you going to learn?

People who won't chop with me are going to be playing for a raise on every street almost all the time. They usually change their minds about not chopping.

[Daliman]

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Depending on the rake policy it can be awfully stupid not to chop.

How does not chopping improve heads up play? There is a regular player at Canterbury who told me that. I don't know if playing headsup in the blinds really makes much of a difference if the person you are up against is a terrible headsup player. How much are you going to learn?

People who won't chop with me are going to be playing for a raise on every street almost all the time. They usually change their minds about not chopping.

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This is exactly WHY they shouldn't chop with you.

[Mikey]

if I find myself chopping often in a full handed game, I think its time to stand up and find a different seat.

[BigBaitsim (milo)]

I don't chop SH, but generally do at a full table.

More importantly, I have a two-chop rule. Two chops within the same down and I ask for a table change. At the first chop, I start thinking about how the game has been of late, and watch more intently for signs it is time to go.

Of course, I play at Canterbury, and every limit shy of 15/30 (which is usually a main and a must-move) has at least three tables, so there's always at least one good table.

[Flashy]

Your assuming they are good players - bad assumption at Canterbury

[Barry]

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Just say you never chop.

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There's even a better way to say it that takes the negative out of it.

Just say "I prefer to play."

I had decided to take that approach sometime back and the 1st opportunity comes around and the guy next to me is wearing a cannula and sucking on an oxygen bottle. Not chopping then would have made me feel like a real jerk. So I still chop live unless we get shorthanded.

[Tyler Durden]

No offense Barron but you're likely an outcast anyway, no matter where you play /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[Rick Nebiolo]

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I want to work on live shorthanded more.

enough i will pay rake to do it.

so from now on, i plan on not chopping live at all.

is it worth it in terms of the table image of the rest of the table hating me for slowing down the game? being a likely outcast not chopper? etc.?

-Barron

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Now that most games have gone to drop (instead of time) there is justifiably more pressure to chop head up in the blinds (to avoid the full drop which is triggered by a flop in LA). That said, most rooms (even in LA) reduce the drop short handed. Many players in my mid-limit games will indicate they always chop six-handed or more and always play five-handed or less. I'd try this middle ground approach first.

~ Rick

[DcifrThs]

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No offense Barron but you're likely an outcast anyway, no matter where you play /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

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note to tylerdurden: i hate you... /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

oh yeah...tell me the story about me picking you off before your WSP win....its right aboutmy bedtime...

-Barron