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chisness
05-15-2005, 08:09 AM
First a few bubble questions in general. I do fine pre-bubble, but am not used to the Party bubble style. So how about these common situations (since I omit player stacks, just assume all are equal other than your own):

1) 4 left, 100/200 blinds, 1300 stack with K8o UTG (easy push with a 900 stack?)
2) 7 left, 50/100 blinds, 900 stack with A9o UTG+1 (easy push with a 600 stack?)
3) HU do you always play push fold, even if both have about average stacks and you have a hand like Q9?
4) When pretty short, like 3-5BB and no others are short, with about 4-5 left, are you pushing any 2 if folded to you on CO/button?


All from Party $30s (actually the same Party $30 -- I did 4 but only found questionable plays in this one):

1)
***** Hand History for Game 2051960546 *****
100/200 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12223973) - Sun May 15 05:08:18 EDT 2005
Table Table 11873 (Real Money) -- Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: TTTimmy (745)
Seat 2: SuperDupe (1380)
Seat 4: Prince8080 (1310)
Seat 5: chi2k (515)
Seat 6: Chisness1 (865)
Seat 7: earth101 (431)
Seat 8: Giant49 (259)
Seat 9: Aenima16 (1565)
Seat 10: HERTZMENDEL (930)
Prince8080 posts small blind (50)
chi2k posts big blind (100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Chisness1 [ 7d, Kh ]
Chisness1 shown [Fold,Call(100),Raise(200)to(865)]
Chisness1 folds.

2)
***** Hand History for Game 2051965637 *****
100/200 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12223973) - Sun May 15 05:10:45 EDT 2005
Table Table 11873 (Real Money) -- Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 1: TTTimmy (745)
Seat 2: SuperDupe (1380)
Seat 4: Prince8080 (2490)
Seat 5: chi2k (874)
Seat 6: Chisness1 (715)
Seat 7: earth101 (231)
Seat 9: Aenima16 (1565)
earth101 posts small blind (50)
Aenima16 posts big blind (100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Chisness1 [ 5d, 2c ]
TTTimmy shown [Fold,Call(100),Raise(200)to(745)]
TTTimmy folds.
SuperDupe folds.
Prince8080 folds.
chi2k shown [Fold,Call(100),Raise(200)to(874)]
chi2k folds.
Chisness1 folds.

This situation happened quite a few times, all with awful hands, but some clearly better if called, like J4s or 9Ts. Should this have any influence?

3)
Seat 1: TTTimmy (2164)
Seat 2: SuperDupe (2261)
Seat 4: Prince8080 (1695)
Seat 6: Chisness1 (565)
Seat 9: Aenima16 (1315)
TTTimmy posts small blind (100)
SuperDupe posts big blind (200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Chisness1 [ 2c, 7c ]
Prince8080 shown [Fold,Call(200),Raise(400)to(1695)]
Prince8080 folds.
Chisness1 shown [Fold,Call(200),Raise(400)to(565)]
Chisness1 folds.

4)
***** Hand History for Game 2051978055 *****
200/400 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12223973) - Sun May 15 05:16:53 EDT 2005
Table Table 11873 (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: TTTimmy (2364)
Seat 2: SuperDupe (2061)
Seat 4: Prince8080 (1695)
Seat 6: Chisness1 (565)
Seat 9: Aenima16 (1315)
SuperDupe posts small blind (100)
Prince8080 posts big blind (200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Chisness1 [ 2h, 4c ]
Chisness1 shown [Fold,Call(200),Raise(400)to(565)]
Chisness1 raises (565) to 565
Chisness1 is all-In.
Aenima16 shown [Fold,Call(565),Raise(930)to(1315)]
Aenima16 folds.
TTTimmy shown [Fold,Call(565),Raise(930)to(2364)]
TTTimmy folds.
SuperDupe shown [Fold,Call(465),Raise(830)to(2061)]
SuperDupe raises (1961) to 2061
SuperDupe is all-In.
Prince8080 shown [Fold,Call(1495)]
Prince8080 folds.
Creating Main Pot with $1330 with Chisness1
Creating Side Pot 1 with $1496 with SuperDupe
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Jh, Jc, Kd ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 7s ]
** Dealing River ** : [ Th ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1330 | Side Pot 1: 1496
Board: [ Jh Jc Kd 7s Th ]
TTTimmy balance 2364, didn't bet (folded)
SuperDupe balance 2826, bet 2061, collected 2826, net +765 [ Ks Qs ] [ two pairs, kings and jacks -- Ks,Kd,Qs,Jh,Jc ]
Prince8080 balance 1495, lost 200 (folded)
Chisness1 balance 0, lost 565 [ 2h 4c ] [ a pair of jacks -- Kd,Jh,Jc,Th,7s ]
Aenima16 balance 1315, didn't bet (folded)

shejk
05-15-2005, 08:21 AM
First the hands you posted. I'd fold, push, fold, fold. 52o is borderline, it can be folded, but J4s and T9 cannot, definately not.

1) 1) 4 left, 100/200 blinds, 1300 stack with K8o UTG (easy push with a 900 stack?)
2) 7 left, 50/100 blinds, 900 stack with A9o UTG+1 (easy push with a 600 stack?)
3) HU do you always play push fold, even if both have about average stacks and you have a hand like Q9?
4) When pretty short, like 3-5BB and no others are short, with about 4-5 left, are you pushing any 2 if folded to you on CO/button?

1. I push.
2. I fold.
3. It depends on blinds. With high blinds I push any hand I play. You might want to minraise with your best and worst hands.
4. Nope, but from the sb I do. And I do push loads of hands if folded to me on the button.

chisness
05-15-2005, 08:29 AM
Thanks for the reply.

On the posted hands, #2 I understand the push in general, but with the guy with only 231 in SB, do you still agree?

#4, should I really get auto all in on the next hand when they could potentially all fold around on this one?

Also, how about those 9Ts type hands from the CO, not button?

shejk
05-15-2005, 09:58 AM
Yeah, I still push against the average opponent. Usually they'll still be fairly tight, and since you lose less when called, it's a good thing.

chisness
05-15-2005, 03:56 PM
Any other opinions?