View Full Version : All your limps are belong to me?
jeffraider
05-14-2005, 10:48 PM
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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (7 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)
CO (t1115)
Hero (t1295)
SB (t1200)
BB (t945)
UTG (t1245)
MP1 (t1555)
MP2 (t645)
Preflop: Hero is Button with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls t50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls t50, CO calls t50, Hero is ALL-IN
DasLeben
05-14-2005, 10:56 PM
A little strong IMO. You'd probably just pick up the pot here. Personally, I'd raise to t350-t400 or so. No reason to put your stack out there.
jeffraider
05-14-2005, 11:20 PM
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A little strong IMO. You'd probably just pick up the pot here. Personally, I'd raise to t350-t400 or so. No reason to put your stack out there.
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Here were a couple of things that flashed through my mind:
1) It definitely looks fishy. I think I'm inviting AQ-A8ish hands to call here trying to "catch" me.
2) I don't hate a call by any hand except for two and the 225 out there was decent overlay if someone wants to call with a PP.
3) I win coinflips!
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AKQJ10
05-14-2005, 11:39 PM
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Here were a couple of things that flashed through my mind:
1) It definitely looks fishy. I think I'm inviting AQ-A8ish hands to call here trying to "catch" me.
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IMO, your strongest point in favor of it. Depends on your table image. If you've won 5 of the last 10 pots preflop w/o a showdown, others will suspect you're stealing and be more likely to call.
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2) I don't hate a call by any hand except for two and the 225 out there was decent overlay if someone wants to call with a PP.
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Objection: irrelevant. The question isn't, "If I push, what is the likelihood I'm screwed?" The question is, "What is the highest-EV way to play this hand in the position?"
In other words, suppose there's a 2% chance you get called, and half that 2% you win on a coin flip. Great! But it still would probably have been better to induce an erroneous call by AT or KJ or whatever. Pushing only makes sense if there's a reasonable chance worse hands will call you.
I don't play in whatever particular game this is, most likely, so my judgement is of no use to you on that point. But if you really want a good answer, assign a % probability that a dominated hand calls you, figure out the rest of the probabilities (like the chances someone has AA or KK, the chances a dominated hand outdraws you, etc.). Then post your assumptions for debate, and perhaps you'll demonstrate convincingly that it's > EV to push than to make a nice-sized raise.
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3) I win coinflips!
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Oh, I don't doubt it. You just lose the other 50%.
microbet
05-14-2005, 11:45 PM
AK can be a real sumbitch. I think if you raise to 400 you can't fold if someone pushes back at you. For that reason I would rather play it just about any other way.
Call
Raise to 150-200, hoping to narrow the field a bit (at least keep out the blinds)
push
DasLeben
05-14-2005, 11:52 PM
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AK can be a real sumbitch. I think if you raise to 400 you can't fold if someone pushes back at you. For that reason I would rather play it just about any other way.
Call
Raise to 150-200, hoping to narrow the field a bit (at least keep out the blinds)
push
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Yeah, I see your logic here. I think a raise to t400 is good only if you are planning on calling a push. Next to that, I think calling is better than pushing here. I dunno. I struggle a bit with AKo in this spot.
Karak567
05-14-2005, 11:54 PM
I would raise to like 250-400 (depending on how many limpers, etc) and then stop and go the flop.
Nottom
05-14-2005, 11:59 PM
I do the same thing a lot of the time, although maybe not with such a big stack.
I get called by small-medium pocket pairs when I do this way more often than hands I dominate it seems.
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