Bring Da Mother****ing Ruckus

[bottomset]

C.H.U.M.P (http://www.bracketmaker.com/tlist.cfm?tid=106691)

M.I.L.F (http://www.bracketmaker.com/tlist.cfm?tid=106203)

there are the brackets, lets get this thing going

[2+2 wannabe]

let me be the first to say that i'm pwning this tournament (in theory)

wanna

[grjr]

http://alternatezone.com/thebreakfastclub/images/tbc1060.jpg

Could you describe the ruckus, sir?

[mmbt0ne]

I hate to be a nit, but is it possible to edit my name?

Oh yeah, and the MILF bracket looks BRUTAL.

[dozer]

Nice, so from now we have 72 hours to complete and report back?

[SCfuji]

OH BRAD YOU ARE TOAST. MY VPIP 99 AND PFCAP 100 IS GOING TO BREAK YOUR WEAK TIGHT NECK!

[sexypanda]

Looks like it's me and you bottomset. I'm ready when you are. I might need to do a quick beer run though.

[MrWookie47]

It's time to out-LAG the official board LAG. DeathDonkey is going down.

[mmbt0ne]

1st round matches I would watch if they were on tv:

MILF
Shillx v. SCfuji
kenberman v. milesdyson
btspider v. olliejen
Sarge85 v. shadow29
reubenf v. k000k (I think there's a darkhorse here)
nfinity v. detruncate

CHUMP
bottomset v. sexypanda
Emmitt2222 v. the_rookie
handsome v. tiltaholic
mmbt0ne v. nottom
Isura v. krishanleong

[sin808]

dun dun dunnnnn

I should be around most of the weekend (except tonight). Doc, drop me a PM and let the pain begin!

[SCfuji]

[ QUOTE ]
Shillx v. SCfugi

[/ QUOTE ]

bt0ne: why would you want to see a heavily lopsided match of brad's destruction on tv? doesn't make for good ratings unless i do my sore winner dance on the table.

everybody always uses a "g" in my name it is amusing /images/graemlins/smile.gif. the letter "j" doesn't look like the letter "g". bset is forgiven since he is planning this tournament and is probably tired =]. thanks for putting this together btw. i think we should tip him a few bucks from the prize pool or at least let his entry be free.

[mmbt0ne]

Yeah, I pronounced it right, but I was copying straight of the webpage. Editing now.

btw, I want to see you 2 because I can't imagine a match with more bluff caps in the first round.

[Emmitt2222]

[ QUOTE ]

Emmitt2222 v. the_rookie

[/ QUOTE ]

I would put this on the comedy channel if anything, you get to see someone who plays upwards of 3/6 get easily pwned by a microer. I feel so useless HU. I just wanted to enter to hopefully learn something. The one time I played HU .02/04 I got spanked by some random guy who took at least 30BB off me.

the_rookie, I most likely will be able to get this in Monday night, if that doenst work for you I will try to fit it in somewhere. If you dont respond to this I will just PM you soon.

[toss]

Okay yako, my name is TossMan on Stars. I'll be on tomorrow afternoon and on. I live on the westcoast.

Edit: Come to think of it, I should just PM him!

[bottomset]

[ QUOTE ]
thanks for putting this together btw. i think we should tip him a few bucks from the prize pool or at least let his entry be free.


[/ QUOTE ]

I'm paying my entry fee, and don't expect any money from any of you, though I would appreciate anything(thanks mmbtOne)

only request is that at somepoint in the near future I get the 120BB(10way capped allstreets) pot on .5/1 that I tried to setup a while back, and failed miserably at

[the_rookie]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]

Emmitt2222 v. the_rookie

[/ QUOTE ]

I would put this on the comedy channel if anything, you get to see someone who plays upwards of 3/6 get easily pwned by a microer. I feel so useless HU. I just wanted to enter to hopefully learn something. The one time I played HU .02/04 I got spanked by some random guy who took at least 30BB off me.

the_rookie, I most likely will be able to get this in Monday night, if that doenst work for you I will try to fit it in somewhere. If you dont respond to this I will just PM you soon.

[/ QUOTE ]

MOnday around 8 is good for me. BTW I haven't had much HU experience either.

[sexypanda]

[ QUOTE ]
bottomset v. sexypanda

[/ QUOTE ]

ALRIGHT! I made a tv table. Damn, my Raymer glasses won't be shipped in time.

[cold_cash]

Hey Shill, if you knock Fuji out in the first round I'll let you pick his avatar for the next month.

I've got a few pretty good suggestions.

[hicherbie]

lets do this.

[toss]

$5 Shillx wins against Fuji. Any takers?

[Entity]

Hmm. cooker. I know ye not, so trash talking isn't much fun. Let's play. PM me.

[hicherbie]

i think im down with that bet. if tanaka doesnt win ill have to kill him.

[DMBFan23]

I am playing maurader1. pm me to start the fun.

peace,
Kevin

P.S. I will be drunk... sunday goot?

[2+2 wannabe]

is anyone playing right now?

[sexypanda]

No fair, I got paired up with the guy running it... he plays goot!

gg

[afk]

wyoak wyoak wyoak

I'll pm you. or you can pm me. let's do it!

[bottomset]

[ QUOTE ]
is anyone playing right now?

[/ QUOTE ]

myself and panda just finished playing, interesting match, he survived a bunch of all ins, and almost made a comeback from a 97-3BB deficit

[MrWookie47]

I watched you guys for a bit. He also flops g00t, with 2x flopped quads. I say this thing is rigged.

[Black Aces 518]

ClaytonN pizowned Black Aces 518

[dozer]

anyone else playing thier match today?
Mine is setup for tommorrow afternoon.

[ClaytonN]

[ QUOTE ]
ClaytonN pizowned Black Aces 518

[/ QUOTE ]

Confirming.

Clayton wins in 103 hands. I run g00t.

[Nfinity]

[ QUOTE ]
1st round matches I would watch if they were on tv:

MILF
Shillx v. SCfuji
kenberman v. milesdyson
btspider v. olliejen
Sarge85 v. shadow29
reubenf v. k000k (I think there's a darkhorse here)
nfinity v. detruncate

CHUMP
bottomset v. sexypanda
Emmitt2222 v. the_rookie
handsome v. tiltaholic
mmbt0ne v. nottom
Isura v. krishanleong

[/ QUOTE ]

I know you don't wanna watch me?

What are you trying to say? Is there something i should know? Did detruncate get Round 1 bye?

[deepsquat]

when are these matches on?? Pokerstars 0.2/0.4? when?

[toss]

PM your opponent and setup the match.

[deepsquat]

im not in it- just want to watch /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[toss]

Oh then, I'm thinking most of us are going to play over the weekend and into next week.

[SCfuji]

id give people a tiny incentive to knock you out but i dont think anybody will have any trouble kick your as.s

[SCfuji]

what, you dont like money?

[deepsquat]

i wish i signed up now

[hicherbie]

maybe the 5 bucks doesnt mean all that much to him.

[SCfuji]

it isnt about the money.

[2+2 wannabe]

[ QUOTE ]
it isnt about the money.

[/ QUOTE ]

it's all about pride baby!!!

p.s. and slightly about the money /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Shillx]

I went out clubbing tonite down on mission st. in the city. It is pretty shitty that I have to face the fish in my 1st match. God damn I wasted...what a good nite.

Brad

[SCfuji]

just think of it as a bye into the loser's bracket brad.
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[Shillx]

[ QUOTE ]
just think of it as a bye into the loser's bracket brad.
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[/ QUOTE ]

Hey I can't play right now...but I'll play tomorrow. I really need some rest.

Brad

[SCfuji]

sounds good bro. if you are hungover i can play sunday too.

[detruncate]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
1st round matches I would watch if they were on tv:

MILF
Shillx v. SCfuji
kenberman v. milesdyson
btspider v. olliejen
Sarge85 v. shadow29
reubenf v. k000k (I think there's a darkhorse here)
nfinity v. detruncate

CHUMP
bottomset v. sexypanda
Emmitt2222 v. the_rookie
handsome v. tiltaholic
mmbt0ne v. nottom
Isura v. krishanleong

[/ QUOTE ]

I know you don't wanna watch me?

What are you trying to say? Is there something i should know? Did detruncate get Round 1 bye?

[/ QUOTE ]

The only thing I can think of is that it would be highly entertaining to watch me demonstrate my utter ineptitude wrt all things poker. Bring on the pain.

[Zoelef]

Zoelef vs hicherbie on the undercards,

220-ish hands and he's leading around 4-3.

[hicherbie]

omg 50BB is HUUUUGEEEEE

[mmbt0ne]

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1st round matches I would watch if they were on tv:

MILF
Shillx v. SCfuji
kenberman v. milesdyson
btspider v. olliejen
Sarge85 v. shadow29
reubenf v. k000k (I think there's a darkhorse here)
nfinity v. detruncate

CHUMP
bottomset v. sexypanda
Emmitt2222 v. the_rookie
handsome v. tiltaholic
mmbt0ne v. nottom
Isura v. krishanleong

[/ QUOTE ]

I know you don't wanna watch me?

What are you trying to say? Is there something i should know? Did detruncate get Round 1 bye?

[/ QUOTE ]

I have to outlast you, or I'm poorer.

[Zoelef]

[ QUOTE ]
omg 50BB is HUUUUGEEEEE

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't know, I liked coming back from 7-1.

[reubenf]

I really wish the title of this thread had the word CHUMP in it. I completely overlooked it until my opponent PM'd me.

[btspider]

[ QUOTE ]
1st round matches I would watch if they were on tv:

MILF
Shillx v. SCfuji

[/ QUOTE ]

nice..

ollie, i can play possibly tonight or probably tomorrow. gotta run for a BBQ, horseshoe, and beer drinking competition.

[Nfinity]

[ QUOTE ]
I have to outlast you, or I'm poorer.


[/ QUOTE ]

That mean we're square on the LLB? I never saw a confirm. I'll consider this a yes unless you say otherwise/

[Nfinity]

Ohhh yeah, for whomever wants to know.

Me and detruncate are throwing down in about an hour(4PM EST) As long as he doesn't mind, we could turn it into a spectator sport.

[2+2 wannabe]

[ QUOTE ]
Ohhh yeah, for whomever wants to know.

Me and detruncate are throwing down in about an hour(4PM EST) As long as he doesn't mind, we could turn it into a spectator sport.

[/ QUOTE ]

i'll be there if my match isn't going on

[shadow29]

Man. MILF is a sick bracket.

I'm busy all weekend, but Mon. is good.

john

[sexypanda]

im sitting at montezuma if anyone wants to practice.

[scotty34]

Firefly, I have to work tonight from 3 to probably around 11 (im on pacific time) and same deal for sunday. Any time other than that should be good with me.

[Kumubou]

I just watched that match. Way to survive an all-in with queen high. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

(Only to lose it four hands later)

-K

[tiltaholic]

oh jebus.
if i suck out enough in the first round and somehow manage to win, i get to maybe play stheif in round two. anyone want to buy 50% of me??

handsome- lets do this thing...sometime soon on Saturday, or anytime Sunday. Check your PM.
-t

[Yako]

This just in, Toss beats Yako in around 195 hands. Congrats Toss! And we didn't even play 1 hand on a HU table. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[toss]

Hahah, its true we didn't even sit at a HU table. Thanks man. Now looks like I'll be matched up against Scotty or Firefly.

[irishpint]

can we create a table? or must we just sit on the waitlists....

[toss]

What me and Yako did was sit at an empty full ring table and sat out as soon as anyone else sat down. Needless to say it got pretty annoying (especially when they started sitting down on purpose), but it got the job done.

[reubenf]

It uses the wrong blind structure then, no?

[2+2 wannabe]

SomethingClever beats i wanna be me in 440 hands

[SomethingClever]

book it... my first HU win. Only took 440 hands /images/graemlins/confused.gif

GG 2p2 wannabe!

[bottomset]

[ QUOTE ]
What me and Yako did was sit at an empty full ring table and sat out as soon as anyone else sat down. Needless to say it got pretty annoying (especially when they started sitting down on purpose), but it got the job done.

[/ QUOTE ]

you are the BB on the button on those games right, I don't have a problem with ppl doing that, its just the SB has major disadvantage in that format

[dozer]

GT123 v.s Irishpint
GT123 wins after 212 hands.

[Nfinity]

In a battle of epic preportions

I got pwned.

Think the final count was well over 400 hands.

See you in the scrub brackets.

[detruncate]

[ QUOTE ]
In a battle of epic preportions

I got pwned.

Think the final count was well over 400 hands.

See you in the scrub brackets.

[/ QUOTE ]

We went over 480. After a rocky start, I decided to start sucking out more -- after that, it went much better. Should have though of it earlier, but I'm slow that way.

[Nottom]

mmbt0ne defeated nottom in a measly 220 hands.

I got off to a good start quickly getting up $3 to $1, but then everything went south and mmbt0ne just kept chunking away at my stack til eventually i just LAGed the remainder of it away.

[mmbt0ne]

In the upset of the tournament so far, it took more than 200, but probably less than 250 hands for me to outflop Nottom enough to win his 50BB.

I wish I knew how many it really was, but PS seems to cap their e-mails at 200 hands. I know it couldn't have been much more though, because the first timestamp in 8:17, and I got an IM from him at 8:12.

[Shillx]

Don't feel too bad dude, b/c I think he was slowrolling everyone here. We might have a hustler on our hands. I was always wondering why mmbtone was such a push over when we played a few times HU. /images/graemlins/shocked.gif

[ClaytonN]

[ QUOTE ]
I wish I knew how many it really was, but PS seems to cap their e-mails at 200 hands. I know it couldn't have been much more though, because the first timestamp in 8:17, and I got an IM from him at 8:12.

[/ QUOTE ]

Use instant hand history option

[Roybert]

I would've loved to have gotten in on this with posters/players I truly respect, but I know my place.

Goddamm - good luck, y'all, and may TRULY the best player win

[Roybert]

[ QUOTE ]
Oh yeah, and the MILF bracket looks BRUTAL.

[/ QUOTE ]

I know - are you kidding? That bracket is insane.

[Nfinity]

[ QUOTE ]
mmbt0ne defeated nottom in a measly 220 hands.

I got off to a good start quickly getting up $3 to $1, but then everything went south and mmbt0ne just kept chunking away at my stack til eventually i just LAGed the remainder of it away.

[/ QUOTE ]

Damn you nottom. You couldn't man up just a little? Now I'm one step closer to being poorer.

LOL, caught a little of that game. Looked pretty good. At least your had, you know, and ending.

[itsmesteve]

itsmesteve beat hedxcold . . .

[BottlesOf]

OMG this thing is amazing, when will the next one be? I want in. (I'm not totally sure what this is, but there's a bracket online, and I love it.)

[hedxcold]

[ QUOTE ]
itsmesteve &lt;s&gt;beat&lt;/s&gt;(these dont work???) crushed hedxcold . . .

[/ QUOTE ]

i was brutal

[Rev. Good Will]

wait.... this just hit me

two separate leagues? or is the MILF champ gonna duke it out with the CHUMP champ?

[droolie]

I lost to the rev goodwill.

We played for an hour. I had him down to 12 BB at the 50 minute mark and it took me all of ten minutes to lose my entire stack. God was clearly in his corner (that and I suck).

[Rev. Good Will]

[ QUOTE ]
God was clearly in his corner (that and I suck).

[/ QUOTE ]

Perks of the job

[MrWookie47]

That's right. Duel of champs. The thing online only supports 32 contestants, so we have two since there are 64 of us.

[MrWookie47]

Here are the rules. (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&amp;Number=2363304&amp;page=9&amp;view=colla psed&amp;sb=5&amp;o=14&amp;fpart=1) It's generally meant for people who've been contributing to the micros forum, although not necessarily strictly micro players. The next one may be this summer some time.

[BottlesOf]

I don't really contribute to this forum, so I wouldn't want to be that guy, if you guys are trying to keep it a micro thing.

[afk]

[ QUOTE ]
I don't really contribute to this forum, so I wouldn't want to be that guy, if you guys are trying to keep it a micro thing.

[/ QUOTE ]

Hell, you should try to do something similar with the bigger stakes guys. I'd be really interested in following that (obviously not playing). You could probably up the stakes and if played at Stars or something for a small fee I'm sure they'd set aside tables or something.

[bottomset]

[ QUOTE ]
OMG this thing is amazing, when will the next one be? I want in. (I'm not totally sure what this is, but there's a bracket online, and I love it.)

[/ QUOTE ]

uh maybe sometime this summer depending on how well this goes through to the finish, it ended up being a lot of work setting up

as for the micro exclusive, well I ended up letting quite a few SS guys in anyway, I would like to see them spend a little time down here while this is going on, but not sure that'll happen

Chump has 11 of 16matches completed, Milf a disappointing 2 so far

[sin808]

I pm'd docmartin, but still haven't heard back from him yet.

[afk]

[ QUOTE ]


Chump has 11 of 16matches completed, Milf a disappointing 2 so far

[/ QUOTE ]

wyoak and I are playing tomorrow afternoon I think. No worries!

[Shillx]

SCFuji v Shill about to start on some table. Results will be in shortly.

[DeathDonkey]

I was busy graduating but now I am free (until I start work on Monday) and ready to win. We are scheduled for Sunday evening, but I'm worried the Stars tables may be full. Maybe we can find an even structured play chip game on UB or something. We'll see.

-DeathDonkey

[afk]

[ QUOTE ]
SCFuji v Shill about to start on some table. Results will be in shortly.

[/ QUOTE ]

wyoak and I are trying to find a table now too.

[QTip]

I PMed djg40 Saturday morning, but I've not heard anything yet.

btw bottomset, I'd be happy to help or even coordinate the next event like this, just so you know.

[wyoak]

someone tell stars to open more tables....

[QTip]

I just sent them an email requesting this. I'll let you know what I hear from them.

[bottomset]

i think the chances of more tables being added is slim, mainly because its a rakefree table, I emailed them as well

[reubenf]

[ QUOTE ]
i think the chances of more tables being added is slim, mainly because its a rakefree table, I emailed them as well

[/ QUOTE ]

I hope you sold it well. Did you tell them you're running a 64 person HU tournament with 2+2ers who are mainly party players? And that if it runs well, it may happen again? I think you could convince them that getting a bunch of high volume players from party to deposit even a little bit of cash on their site is a godo thing.

[djg40]

I PMed QTip around midnight, as I was gone all day today. I apologize, but I am available now, or tomorrow except when I work.

[tiltaholic]

hat's off to handsome for a great match.
i thought it took a long time, but it turns out only 238 hands...short by comparision...

[afk]

wyoak defeats me in 282 hands.


Summary: wyoak is good at flopping flushes.

(well played man)

[wyoak]

i've fine tuned my flushing ability over the years....

heh, good match.

[kenberman]

holla

[reubenf]

reporting from the MILF bracket: reubenf defeats k000k with some monster beats in 111 hands.

[SCfuji]

back and forth back and forth and then back and forth some more. sealed the deal in close to 300 hands and i am already looking forward to the END. this is going to take forever lol.

[SCfuji]

wtf 111 hands. that has to be a record.

[GrunchCan]

[ QUOTE ]
back and forth back and forth and then back and forth some more. sealed the deal in close to 300 hands and i am already looking forward to the END. this is going to take forever lol.

[/ QUOTE ]

50 BB is a lot after all?

[reubenf]

[ QUOTE ]
wtf 111 hands. that has to be a record.

[/ QUOTE ]

45 BB/100 baby.

[SCfuji]

it was for me and brad. it felt like forever.

in the future if you guys cant find a 2c/4c table, you guys could sit at a full tilt poker play chip table. heads up they have a SBB (small blind button) system and brad and i thought up an idea of having 7 players from 2+2 just sitting and watching so that idiots dont come and sit down and follow you around ruining the match. shouldnt be too tough to find a few volunteer railbirds. id be more than happy to help out others as long as you return the favor for my future match(es).

fuji

[cold_cash]

I see you managed to escape the early noose. I'm not worried though.

By the way, which of these do you like better?

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y34/cold_cash/thong1.jpg

or

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y34/cold_cash/simmons.jpg

I think the top one is very illustrative of your personality, but I also know how much you love Richard Simmons. Tough choice.

[SCfuji]

well if you could take the face of richard simmons and paste it over the top pick somewhere i would love to sport that for a month. thank you for the suggestions though. it will save me the trouble for finding one for you.

goodluck against chopper!

[Shillx]

[ QUOTE ]
Results will be in shortly.

[/ QUOTE ]

Okay well I hope that I never have to do that again. There were way too many bets on the table imo. So to make the match go faster, I just decided that I would get every hand capped preflop. Now the problem is that all the "poker" goes out the window. You have to call down anything with a chance. The match was filled with call-call-bluff raise or call-call-value raise lines, but mainly just check/calling since I didn't really hit much. IMO, not very exciting poker. All I really should have done differently was do more bluffing on the flop/turn, but since I couldn't really bet any good hands, that strategy would eventually become transparent. It will be interesting to see who Fuji draws next....

Brad

[cold_cash]

[ QUOTE ]
well if you could take the face of richard simmons and paste it over the top pick somewhere i would love to sport that for a month. thank you for the suggestions though. it will save me the trouble for finding one for you.

goodluck against chopper!

[/ QUOTE ]

We're tentatively scheduled for tomorrow morning at 11.

Feel free to drop by and run your mouth. It only seems fair since I did it to you. /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[bottomset]

this is what I was concerned about when setting this up, there have been a few matches in the 350+ range, but most seem to be in the 200s somewhere which is 1 1/4-1 3/4 hrs of HU per match, for me thats not a problem, not sure about the rest of you

i think 25 is too small, but maybe something in the 35-40 range might be better, though my vote is to leave it the same

[adsman]

aK13 wants me to AIM him to set up the match. The only problem is that I'm a computer diipshit and I have no idea what this means. (I'm in Europe as well, in case this is a USA thing). I'd like to play right now as there r tables free. Help anyone?

[bottomset]

its america online's instant messaging program(you don't need an aol account to set it up)

just go to www.aol.com (http://www.aol.com) .. look for AOL Imessanger download section, then set up an account .. pretty simple

[adsman]

K.

Thanks Josh.

[mmbt0ne]

http://www.aim.com/

It's free, and the easiest way to keep in touch.

[Shillx]

Our match litterally could have gone on for days. His style of postflop play is very hard to defend against since he is playing almost perfectly (from a game theory standpoint).

Brad

[reubenf]

[ QUOTE ]
Our match litterally could have gone on for days. His style of postflop play is very hard to defend against since he is playing almost perfectly (from a game theory standpoint).

[/ QUOTE ]

I think you're saying that if two people are very close in skill, it's mostly just luck anyway so you'd prefer to basically flip a coin rather than play for a very long time in order to slightly increase the chance the slightly better player wins.

[Shillx]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Our match litterally could have gone on for days. His style of postflop play is very hard to defend against since he is playing almost perfectly (from a game theory standpoint).

[/ QUOTE ]

I think you're saying that if two people are very close in skill, it's mostly just luck anyway so you'd prefer to basically flip a coin rather than play for a very long time in order to slightly increase the chance the slightly better player wins.

[/ QUOTE ]

Well kinda. When every hand gets capped preflop against the type of player that he is, you have to make significant adjustments. Let me give you a sample hand...

You have J /images/graemlins/club.gif T /images/graemlins/club.gif on the SBB

You raise, he 3-bets with 2 random cards, you cap and he calls.

Flop - 7 /images/graemlins/spade.gif 3 /images/graemlins/heart.gif 2 /images/graemlins/heart.gif

He bets and you call.

Turn - 4 /images/graemlins/club.gif

He bets and you call.

River - Q /images/graemlins/diamond.gif

He bets and you make a crying call.

You played this hand perfectly believe it or not. Do you see what I'm talking about now? At a certain point, it really isn't a poker game. It is more like russian roulette.

Brad

[toss]

Very tough game he's playing. I think the only defense is reraising and punishing him. Is that why the match went so fast?

[Shillx]

[ QUOTE ]
Very tough game he's playing. I think the only defense is reraising and punishing him. Is that why the match went so fast?

[/ QUOTE ]

The best way to deal with it is to control the size of the pot preflop and then play very aggro with low one pair hands on the flop. Check and call the UI biggish cards and big pairs that don't figure to get outdrawn. I should have overplayed more drawing hands and weaker made hands, but doing what I was doing (pretty much doing nothing) was working well. Just thinking about how long it could have gone had I not started capping 93o preflop makes me cringe.

Brad

[SCfuji]

just leave it be. im just being a whiny nit.

[SCfuji]

well basically halfway through the pf cap everyhand (except for the hands i folded because my vajina told me to) i told brad in the chat box "you like flipping coins with me?". i think we both understood that the winner would be the one to hit the most flops for an extended period of time and that was me.

[SCfuji]

i think this was the sickest hand of the match. nice call =]. i like my bets and i like your calls. just good poker.

[SCfuji]

after about 100 hands i noticed that brad was limp/calling or limp/reraising my pf raises when he was the button. mind you this was before our cap every hand we played preflop. this worked quite effectively but i still decided to go 4 bets preflop anyways because he was doing this with hands like 55,66, and A6s. i got lucky a few times when i ended up hitting one of my overcards like a 7 or an 8 but he did pretty much null my preflop raise strategy.

and for toss, if you want to punish me go ahead but if im just betting with nothing you have to punish me with nothing or else ill never bite and ill just fold away. the correct strategy when in position would be to just call down like brad did with JT and just let me bluff bluff bluff. out of position i dunno what id do. i think i fear check raises the most but even then if you dont check raise and show me you do it with nothing im not going to give you action.

my style i play with HU is kinda fun. i definitely made bad bets and missed good bets but overall its kinda nice being able to value bet bottom pair hoping that brad is willing to showdown with highcard in mind. but like brad told me i kept trying to bluff when i knew he would call. i guess i should work on that against him next time but unless my opponent is willing to call me down like brad did ill just run over him. im going to work on finding the right balance between bluffing and actually betting with the best hand. hopefully i dont get knocked out and get a few more rounds of practice.

[toss]

Takes notes should I ever make it to a match against SCfuji.

[SCfuji]

i will adjust

[aK13]

If I win against adsman, I have to play against mmbt0ne which will be a guaranteed loss. Wait, did I say "if"? /images/graemlins/ooo.gif

[toss]

Not if I blindfold myself and randomly click call, fold, or bet. Wheres the counter strategy against that?

[aK13]

[ QUOTE ]
Not if I blindfold myself and randomly click call, fold, or bet. Wheres the counter strategy against that?

[/ QUOTE ]

Don't steal my strategy. I'm publishing a 2+2 book on it.

[Nfinity]

[ QUOTE ]
this is what I was concerned about when setting this up, there have been a few matches in the 350+ range, but most seem to be in the 200s somewhere which is 1 1/4-1 3/4 hrs of HU per match, for me thats not a problem, not sure about the rest of you

i think 25 is too small, but maybe something in the 35-40 range might be better, though my vote is to leave it the same

[/ QUOTE ]

I did my fair share of whining during the match, but to tell you the truth, if it was only 25BB I wouldn't feel like my opponent actually got the better of me. Just make sure everyone knows that games can last this long.

[SCfuji]

who needs a counter-strategy when your strategy will ensure self-destruction? /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[droolie]

Shill- I think you guys ruined your own match by capping pf all the time. In my match (the one in which the rev good will sold his soul to the devil near the end in order to avoid certain defeat) there was a great deal of intrigue pf that defined many of thepostflop actions. I can't believe you guys didn't try to manuever pf. How boring. We were folding a lot pf and sometimes capping or stealing and calling etc. I think we were both playing very well (until I took the lords name in vein and was punished for my sins) and as the match went on the metagaming aspects were great. We were showing hands to each other (only when we felt like it etc) and often taking down big pots with K high better kicker pocket 4's UI etc. The guessing game was very interesting. It took an hour for us to finish and it felt like a grind (I was very tired when it started so maybe it shouldn't have been such a grind )but I can't say it was boring. I certainly feel like I lerned a lot (which I believe is the purpose of this tourney) and gained a bunch of repect for the good rev.. All in all it was good times (though I had a pretty tough time sleeping DAMN YOU JEBUS DAMN YOU STRAIGHT TO HELL. WHY???)

As far as the 50BB is concerned our match could have easily hit the 2 hour mark but it also could have been over in 20 minutes. It seemed like 50BB was perfect (though if it was less I would have won /images/graemlins/wink.gif)

[MrWookie47]

Lord's name in vein, eh? Are you shooting up with the Holy Spirit again? /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[SomethingClever]

Cap the flop. Do you see why?

[Rev. Good Will]

I felt I learned alot from my match with droolie.

It took me a while to learn his betting patterns PF. he wouldn't always cap PF with all hands, and from making crying calls sometimes for the mere reason of finding out what he had to adjust in later hands made the game very interesting.

You guys are doing yourself a disservce if your just randomly clicking "raise"

droolie - round 2 some other time?

[Rev. Good Will]

I think 50 BB is perfect, if I had any less, I never would have been able to adjust against droolie /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[btspider]

i haven't heard from ollie yet.. someone feel like sparring for a little bit?

I'm at table Nerina.

[Rev. Good Will]

I just played ~ 1 1/2 hours HU with spider and....

my head really friggin hurts /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Shillx]

Well I could have used the optimal strategy, but there are essentially 2 problems with it...

A) In a given 50 BB freezeout, it might not win
B) Your opponent will adjust to it

So what I would have done is played say the top 41.3% of my hands to showdown and folded the rest preflop. Against a player who always caps preflop and always bets when 1st to act or when checked to (and will keep betting if you don't bet into him or raise) the EV is...

EV = -.587*.75 SB + .413*(.594*18 SB - 9 SB) = .26 SB/Hand

So in theory, you can take your opponent down in about 385 hands on average. Of course, he will probably adjust and then you have to change it up.

Brad

[reubenf]

Do we have to wait for round 1 to finish?

[cold_cash]

When's the deadline anyway? My match has been postponed a couple times.

[bottomset]

I would like for them to be done by Monday night Midnight eastern ... though I see ppl needing tuesday to finish up

[Brain]

A_C and I are at Klemola right now if anybody wants to scout.

[k000k]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
reporting from the MILF bracket: reubenf defeats k000k with some monster beats in 111 hands.

[/ QUOTE ]
wtf 111 hands. that has to be a record.

[/ QUOTE ]

That's the power of a few good pairs getting outkicked amplified by my own inexperience and general suckiness.. No complaints, reuben, you took me to school like a shortbus, I'm very impressed, I feel bad for detruncate and anyone else who has to go up against you.. I maybe could have prolonged my inevitable defeat, but probably not by much. Definately outmatched,

[DMBFan23]

[ QUOTE ]
Well I could have used the optimal strategy, but there are essentially 2 problems with it...

A) In a given 50 BB freezeout, it might not win
B) Your opponent will adjust to it

So what I would have done is played say the top 41.3% of my hands to showdown and folded the rest preflop. Against a player who always caps preflop and always bets when 1st to act or when checked to (and will keep betting if you don't bet into him or raise) the EV is...

EV = -.587*.75 SB + .413*(.594*18 SB - 9 SB) = .26 SB/Hand

So in theory, you can take your opponent down in about 385 hands on average. Of course, he will probably adjust and then you have to change it up.

Brad

[/ QUOTE ]

reading over your posts in this thread, I think your logic regarding HU is really weird. and this is coming from someone who is not a HU expert.

when you say "41% of hands going to showdown", if you mean PF hands, then you are self weighting yourself postflop by not using postflop skills. also, you are missing out on some profitable BB defenses with hands that are not top 41% hot and cold but can take a flop getting 3:1

and as far as auto capping preflop, that's a really bad idea.

[Brain]

I'm through to the second round after 212 hands with A_C_Slater. He had a couple good comebacks after getting down pretty early and I just couldn't get him.

[A_C_Slater]

After enduring a string of suckouts never before seen in the history of the Earth ---- brain finally manages to defeat AC despite his valiant and titanic struggle against all odds.

Pokerstars is rigged.

[sin808]

In an attempt to set the record for quickest loss, sin808 loses to docmartin in an astounding 80 hands.

[cold_cash]

[ QUOTE ]
In an attempt to set the record for quickest loss, sin808 loses to docmartin in an astounding 80 hands.

[/ QUOTE ]

You rule.

Tomorrow morning I'm going to do my best to beat your record.

[sin808]

Good luck. The trick is to run really poorly, while also playing like complete crap. If all your big cards aren't in the red, you didn't do it right /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[btspider]

ollie is still AWOL.

[kenberman]

ditto for milesdyson.

[PokerBob]

Why am I not in this?

[Nfinity]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Well I could have used the optimal strategy, but there are essentially 2 problems with it...

A) In a given 50 BB freezeout, it might not win
B) Your opponent will adjust to it

So what I would have done is played say the top 41.3% of my hands to showdown and folded the rest preflop. Against a player who always caps preflop and always bets when 1st to act or when checked to (and will keep betting if you don't bet into him or raise) the EV is...

EV = -.587*.75 SB + .413*(.594*18 SB - 9 SB) = .26 SB/Hand

So in theory, you can take your opponent down in about 385 hands on average. Of course, he will probably adjust and then you have to change it up.

Brad

[/ QUOTE ]

reading over your posts in this thread, I think your logic regarding HU is really weird. and this is coming from someone who is not a HU expert.

when you say "41% of hands going to showdown", if you mean PF hands, then you are self weighting yourself postflop by not using postflop skills. also, you are missing out on some profitable BB defenses with hands that are not top 41% hot and cold but can take a flop getting 3:1

and as far as auto capping preflop, that's a really bad idea.

[/ QUOTE ]

This is my take on his strategy, Shiillx can feel free to berate me, as a matter of fact, I encourage it.

HU play is all about building big pots preflop, then using superior post-flop play to win the most when you have a legitimate hand and/or encourage your opponent to fold when they have profitable draws(ie. 6 outs or more.)

Against an extremely aggressive player(and a thinking one at that) the latter skill is less valuable, as you are less likely to fold them with aggressive plays postflop, and can be detrimental when they are intent on seeing most showdowns. The best option in this situation is to call down UI more often let them have control of the pot with marginal holdings, and fastplay with your better made hands.There is also little defense, as combating this behavior requires giving up on aggression. This sort of gear change is blatant, makes you a more readable opponent, and makes you a more vulnerable target to bluffs, which I'm sure shillx would love.

As for the auto capping preflop, I think this is the only way to ensure a profitable payday when calling down so often with your marginal 3rd pair hands and UI Aces.

Thats my take, I'm no expert though. I do wish I had thought of this line during my match at some point. It might have went a little differently, and certainly wouldn't have taken 3 1/2 hours to complete.

[aK13]

[ QUOTE ]
I would like for them to be done by Monday night Midnight eastern ... though I see ppl needing tuesday to finish up

[/ QUOTE ]

adsman and I have having a significant amount of trouble trying to meet up and play. Time zone, and lack of effective mode of communication (email and 2+2 PMs aren't that great). I wouldn't be surprised if we needed until Tuesday.

[Nfinity]

BTW if any of you want to get some practice in, I'm at table Klemola killing time. btspider if your still up to your invite from earlier, I'd love to get a chance to check out your game.

[GrunchCan]

batshadow &amp; I still haven't played, but it's my fault. He's offered plenty of times to play &amp; I haven't been able to. If we miss our deadline, I'll forfeit the match.

[Entity]

[ QUOTE ]
ollie is still AWOL.

[/ QUOTE ]

Same for cooker. I PM'd him yesterday.

Rob

[SCfuji]

bottomset you might want to pm the no shows and have a few substitutes fill-in since there have been a couple of people asking about the next one that missed this one.

just a suggestion head planner man.

[SCfuji]

could you expand plz?

[MrWookie47]

Mr. Wookie is about to start kicking some Ass over on Mizar.

[SCfuji]

let's say "X" has a pf strategy to raise on the button everyhand preflop. what brad and i did was take that two steps further.

[DocMartin]

yaya, I now have your strategy all figured out. I'm comin for you SCfungi!

[Entity]

How long do we wait for setting a match up? Still no word back.

[MrWookie47]

Scratch that. Pwned in 80 hands. I called down way too much, and Donkey's luck was unbelievable. Good match, Donkey.

[DeathDonkey]

DeathDonkey advances in 82 hands. Who's next?

-DeathDonkey

[DocMartin]

[ QUOTE ]
In an attempt to set the record for quickest loss, sin808 loses to docmartin in an astounding 80 hands.

[/ QUOTE ]

I thoroughly believe 88.24BB/100 is sustainable (even if I haven't played 100 hands yet).

[Nfinity]

[ QUOTE ]
let's say "X" has a pf strategy to raise on the button everyhand preflop. what brad and i did was take that two steps further.

[/ QUOTE ]

When employing this strategy pre-flop, would you think it wise to fold a few of your trashier hands from the BB?

From what I have read the balanced stategy against your "usual" stealer is to Raise the top 25%, call the mid 50%, and fold the bottom 25%. It would seem that if your intent on capping most flops, folding 25%, or maybe even a couple more, would help to balance it out.

[toss]

Folding PF against this strategy is instant lose. You must understand that someone who raises from he SB and autobets the flop must have the edge regardless of what cards he holds if you fold.

[bottomset]

well GruchCan took me for 36BB in a non-sanctioned match, it was pretty ugly and I played really bad ... though he improved to best on the river like 5-6 times

[milesdyson]

[ QUOTE ]
ditto for milesdyson.

[/ QUOTE ]
Check your PMs... it's party time.

[toss]

Someone should make a DVD highlighting the best moments of this tourney. We'll call it Super Hot MILFs III. We'd make millions.

[DMBFan23]

anyone need a chump table? We're just chatting over at Klemola

I won in 150 hands, but maurader played really well. he was bluff raising me enough that I know I laid down some winners, and it made him get a lot of action from top pair. also, he had what seemed to be a solid PF strat, mixing up LRR with Limp-call with raising, with three betting. also he mixed in stops and gos with cr's enough to keep me off balance.

one thing I critiqued is that he checked behind the flop a LOT. both with some good hands and with nothing. he nailed me a couple of times when I'd bet into top pair and then pay off the weird raise, but I think he gave more free cards than he got there, as I was peeling with undercards w/backdoor draws a lot since my pairing outs are good so often.

one thing is that when he did check behind the flop, he would raise/bluff raise the turn very well. this led me into some weird calldowns when I turned a low pair. that led me to the second critique, is that he wouldnt follow through with a river bet after his bluff raises ever. not that I'd fold a baby pair, but it did allow me to make a note that I could pretty much safely fold when he did follow through on the river. also, if he had something like Tx no pair there's a good chance he could blow me off of a better T, Jx, Qx, or Kx no pair. he could save the checking behind for hands like Ax or Kx no pair where he wants to see a showdown, or hands ducks or treys when scare cards come on the turn and river

for a first timer HU, I was impressed.

3 hands.

PokerStars 0.02/0.04 Hold'em (2 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4 SB) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (3 BB) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, BB calls.

River: (9 BB) A/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, BB calls.

Final Pot: 17 BB

he had a Q

PokerStars 0.02/0.04 Hold'em (2 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (4 BB) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls.

River: (8 BB) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 14 BB

he had 83o /images/graemlins/smile.gif

this one was also cool

PokerStars 0.02/0.04 Hold'em (2 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4 SB) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, BB calls.

Turn: (6 BB) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero calls.

River: (10 BB) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 12 BB

CHOP CHOP /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[deepsquat]

where are all thes games being played, i cant find them. Pokerstars, which part?

[DMBFan23]

limit holdem wayyyyy at the bottom

[SteveL91]

I'll jump in as a substitute if needed.

[Nfinity]

[ QUOTE ]
Folding PF against this strategy is instant lose. You must understand that someone who raises from he SB and autobets the flop must have the edge regardless of what cards he holds if you fold.

[/ QUOTE ]

I understand that the raise from the SB gains an automatic edge against opponents who fold too much. However, this doesn't take into account that call is not an option. If you are commited to capping every flop you enter, wouldn't a balanced strategy for folding hands that have the highest likelyhood of being inferior to 2 random cards be alright? Considering your commiting yourself to seeing most showdowns anyway, wouldn't it be like trading a -EV play for a slightly less -EV play?

[DMBFan23]

folding is not auto lose against that strategy, failure to three bet for value preflop and failure to extract money postflop are way worse than making an occasional pf fold with 83o.

in fact if you are going to compel yourself to go to showdown everytime you defend, that's a huge error even against someone who raises every SB.

punish him with 3 bets preflop and good extraction postflop and you give yourself the leeway to make some pf folds that probably don't figure to be profitable had you played them. there are also metagame considerations at work there, and those really rule the day HU.

[milesdyson]

Kenberman and I are playing at Klemola.

[droolie]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Well I could have used the optimal strategy, but there are essentially 2 problems with it...

A) In a given 50 BB freezeout, it might not win
B) Your opponent will adjust to it

So what I would have done is played say the top 41.3% of my hands to showdown and folded the rest preflop. Against a player who always caps preflop and always bets when 1st to act or when checked to (and will keep betting if you don't bet into him or raise) the EV is...

EV = -.587*.75 SB + .413*(.594*18 SB - 9 SB) = .26 SB/Hand

So in theory, you can take your opponent down in about 385 hands on average. Of course, he will probably adjust and then you have to change it up.

Brad

[/ QUOTE ]

reading over your posts in this thread, I think your logic regarding HU is really weird. and this is coming from someone who is not a HU expert.

when you say "41% of hands going to showdown", if you mean PF hands, then you are self weighting yourself postflop by not using postflop skills. also, you are missing out on some profitable BB defenses with hands that are not top 41% hot and cold but can take a flop getting 3:1

and as far as auto capping preflop, that's a really bad idea.

[/ QUOTE ]

This is my take on his strategy, Shiillx can feel free to berate me, as a matter of fact, I encourage it.

HU play is all about building big pots preflop, then using superior post-flop play to win the most when you have a legitimate hand and/or encourage your opponent to fold when they have profitable draws(ie. 6 outs or more.)

Against an extremely aggressive player(and a thinking one at that) the latter skill is less valuable, as you are less likely to fold them with aggressive plays postflop, and can be detrimental when they are intent on seeing most showdowns. The best option in this situation is to call down UI more often let them have control of the pot with marginal holdings, and fastplay with your better made hands.There is also little defense, as combating this behavior requires giving up on aggression. This sort of gear change is blatant, makes you a more readable opponent, and makes you a more vulnerable target to bluffs, which I'm sure shillx would love.

As for the auto capping preflop, I think this is the only way to ensure a profitable payday when calling down so often with your marginal 3rd pair hands and UI Aces.

Thats my take, I'm no expert though. I do wish I had thought of this line during my match at some point. It might have went a little differently, and certainly wouldn't have taken 3 1/2 hours to complete.

[/ QUOTE ]

You guys decided to reduce your match to a coinflip it sounds like to me. What I can't understand is why would you decide to do that. Why play?

It is certainly possible to outplay an opponent HU over the course of many hands. By varying your play you can get the other guy running in circles. If you call down every hand you are conceding any hope of outplaying somebody. The intrigue of playing HU is by controlling the size of the pot, keeping your opponent guessing and yes getting very lucky from time to time.

I think your theory on pf play is flawed BTW. It seems it would be very easy to beat someone who played exactly the same on every hand. When you fold every once in a while pf you give up very little. If I was against an opponent who always raised pf and I folded my weakest 10% of hands I would have a huge advantage over my opponent because I'm giving up very little when I fold but when I enter a pot I stand to win much more because I know my opponent will pay off to the river with on average weaker hands (by defintion that's true as my opponent will be playing 100% of his hands.) The amount my opponet wins when I fold my blind cannot possibly surpass what I make when I win more showdowns.

[SCfuji]

there was plenty of thinking post-flop in my match. we just played around and accelerated the result. we also had our fair share of really cool hands and still tried to outplay each other and extract the maximum post flop.

[cnfuzzd]

we are playing now on orthos.

peace

john nickle

[Shillx]

What you guys have to understand is that the villian is NOT a maniac. He is a bluffing machine who thinks. So you can't just value bet him to sh[/i]it because he isn't going to pay off. It is not like playing with a 90/50 in the ring game who will cap every street with king high. He will bet you to death and then play well once you fight back. So with your good hands, you stand to make more by NOT VALUE BETTING! The key is to usually play back with weak hands and sometimes do it with strong hands. But when you cap JTs preflop (and rightly so) you can't fold postflop when you miss. There are now 8 bets in the pot and you are playing against a random hand. If you don't flop a pair, you have to calldown but it is a very thin +EV calldown. Lots of thin play all around makes for a long and tiring match. I really didn't want to play 1000 hands because it really gets old after a while.

It is impossible to hand read, it is impossible to set up future plays, etc. You just have to keep calling and hope that you can flop some good hands. Who ever flops good is probably going to win. He had me down to about 30 BB and then 30 hands later I had to about 30 BB just beause I hit some good flops.

Just wait to see who plays him next and see what they say.

Brad

[DMBFan23]

if he has easy fold decisions every time you play back then you aren't playing back enough

[kenberman]

I feel violated.

milesdyon wins in about 15 hands

[droolie]

The pf play is a big part of the game. If you have different standards for what hands you will fold, call, raise, 3-bet, call a three bet and cap with (and vary those standards) you can hope to be playing optimally. I'm sure you guys know this but I can't for the life of me figure out why you choose not to particiapte in that aspect of the game. Were you on curfew or something? By throwing out pf stategy it cripples your hand reading post-flop. It's no wonder shills initial response was so lackluster.

This is coming form a guy who spewed 88 BB's in 10 minutes to lose his match so take my opinions with a grain of salt.

[DMBFan23]

also, my main contention is that you are auto three betting his auto raise. this strategy is just plain bad. postflop strategy aside, you're handicapping yourself a lot here.

[VBM]

sorry for the late web-check. here now...but its quite late on the east coast. /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Shillx]

[ QUOTE ]
if he has easy fold decisions every time you play back then you aren't playing back enough

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah but see, he is thinking too. If I raise the flop, he is going to call me down if his hand has a chance. He isn't going to throw away Q-high in a 10 SB pot because I raised the flop. He will only fold the pure junk, and sometimes he will play back with that.

Brad

[DMBFan23]

[ QUOTE ]
he is going to call me down if his hand has a chance.

[/ QUOTE ]

then you play back more with pairs. I'm not saying it's not give and take, but there's got to be some more involved than ensuring a showdown with J high

[shadow29]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
he is going to call me down if his hand has a chance.

[/ QUOTE ]

then you play back more with pairs. I'm not saying it's not give and take, but there's got to be some more involved than ensuring a showdown with J high

[/ QUOTE ]

can someone give me a brief rundown of what y'all are talking about?

[mmbt0ne]

Shill has this weird go all the way with 41.3% of hands, and fold all others strategy, that I don't think he used, but is defending. No one else understands it.

I beat down a bat last night.

[DMBFan23]

SCfuji and Shillx were autocapping every hand pf, then shillx was calling down a lot because he had effective odds against a random hand.

I said autocapping pf sucks and he needs to extract more postflop with pairs.

then he said fuji would just fold.

then I said play back more.

then he said fuji would call down if his hand has a chance.
then I said extract more with pairs

[Brain]

[ QUOTE ]
I beat down a bat last night.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah, but you did it none too quickly. /images/graemlins/grin.gif
OOT story (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&amp;Number=2401299&amp;page=&amp;view=&amp;sb=5&amp; o=&amp;fpart=all&amp;vc=1)

[milesdyson]

[ QUOTE ]
I feel violated.

milesdyon wins in about 15 hands

[/ QUOTE ]
135 hands, and two things about the match (I think):

1. You folded preflop too much.
2. You made some weird bluffs in spots where I couldn't really fold.

[Isura]

krishanleong just pwnd me in like 147 hands. I got out to a 2.50 to 1.50 lead early, but starting bleeding chips too much with 3rd pair, J high etc. Beat by a much better player in the end. Loser's bracket bring it on.

[Maurader1]

Thanks for the compliments and critique DMB...I think my only strategy was to be as random as possible, but I guess didn't do a real good job since you picked up on my patterns :P

My feeling throughout the second part was "wow this guy is firing soo many bets, he can't be hitting all his hands can he?" and I think that put me into a more passive mode...

It was an unnerving experience...it feels so random, and gave me the feeling of the importance of bluffing, and mixing up play A LOT. I think I was making plays sometimes to induce bets, but sometimes to just throw curveballs...gives me a weird feeling, and I can't even start to imagine a strategy that would make you a long term winner...scary forray into HU

Thx for the match /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Maurader1]

83o? That's a raising hand, IMO /images/graemlins/grin.gif

But then again, I got p8wnd

[QTip]

Dan cleaned my out in about 270 hands. He played a great game!

[djg40]

Man, I caught some cards there for a while though. We should definitely play again sometime though. That was fun!

[DeathDonkey]

I will avenge your loss!

-DeathDonkey

[DMBFan23]

it definitely can be. it's really all about the flow. if I've raised the last 6sbs and you've started to play back at me, then I'm less likely to raise it. but, if I've folded a lot in a row, then I might raise a trash handto get myself back in aggressive mode. or if you complete the SB I might raise it if I notice you've been folding a lot lately when you complete the sb. stuff like that.

[milesdyson]

I just looked at the MILF bracket, and holy shit am I in for a few good games.

So I won my first match. Next round I will probably face btspider (no offense olliejen). Once I beat him (haha /images/graemlins/smirk.gif), I'll probably be playing cnfuzzd. After that, it's either SCfuji (shill thinks you are way better than you really are) or DMBfan23. Then, I play Entity (probably the easiest of all the matches).

And for the championship, sthief09.

[mmbt0ne]

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I beat down a bat last night.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah, but you did it none too quickly. /images/graemlins/grin.gif
OOT story (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&amp;Number=2401299&amp;page=&amp;view=&amp;sb=5&amp; o=&amp;fpart=all&amp;vc=1)

[/ QUOTE ]

I think I would do better against a slew of 5 year old humans than 5 year old bats. The energy I used on that single bat wore me the hell out. Never try to fight anything that flies.

[DMBFan23]

question...

the winner of the losers bracket has to beat the winner of the winners bracket twice right? what if the winner of the winners bracket wins milf and the winner of the losers bracket wins chump? same principle?

[reubenf]

[ QUOTE ]
Then, I play Entity (probably the easiest of all the matches).

[/ QUOTE ]

Since Entity hasn't played his first match yet, I propose there are better picks for this matchup.

I also think itmesteve is more likely for the previous matchup than cnfuzzd.

[Entity]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Then, I play Entity (probably the easiest of all the matches).

[/ QUOTE ]

Since Entity hasn't played his first match yet, I propose there are better picks for this matchup.

I also think itmesteve is more likely for the previous matchup than cnfuzzd.

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm just wondering what happens if/when my guy doesn't get a hold of me tomorrow.

I'm getting anxious to play. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Rob

[reubenf]

[ QUOTE ]
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Then, I play Entity (probably the easiest of all the matches).

[/ QUOTE ]

Since Entity hasn't played his first match yet, I propose there are better picks for this matchup.

I also think itmesteve is more likely for the previous matchup than cnfuzzd.

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm just wondering what happens if/when my guy doesn't get a hold of me tomorrow.

I'm getting anxious to play. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Rob

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm hoping you'll get a replacement rather than a free ride.

Do you want to do a practice one right now? I can't guarantee I won't have to leave in the middle though.

[cnfuzzd]

blegh,,,,,

poker rookie took it down, 519 hands. I managed to not die for awhile, but am now seriously pissed. Am waiting till tomorrow to think about the match. I still claim i was lucksacked.

However, poker rookie did play a tremendous match. His calling frequency was near optimal, and the few times i caught him bluffing i still felt i shouldnt be calling. Now, if i can just get some draws to come in on my second match, then maybe i will actually feel like im doing something besides getting really lucky to stay alive.

Also, for the record, 50BB stacks are ESSENTIAL to this format. In all honesty, if this happens on a higher limit scale, i would probably demand even larger stacks.

peace

john nickle

[pokerrookie]

Pokerrookie def. Cnfuzzd

519 hands. Rivered and turned him till he broke. One of the most enjoyable times I have had playing online poker. And it was all for 2 bucks. Very good match Cnfuzzd. If we played 9 more times, you'd win them all, I am certain.

[Entity]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Then, I play Entity (probably the easiest of all the matches).

[/ QUOTE ]

Since Entity hasn't played his first match yet, I propose there are better picks for this matchup.

I also think itmesteve is more likely for the previous matchup than cnfuzzd.

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm just wondering what happens if/when my guy doesn't get a hold of me tomorrow.

I'm getting anxious to play. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Rob

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm hoping you'll get a replacement rather than a free ride.

Do you want to do a practice one right now? I can't guarantee I won't have to leave in the middle though.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah, I hope I get a replacement too.

I'd play but I don't see any tables available.

[Brain]

We would definitely do better against 5 year old humans. It took me what seemed like forever to get that squirrel that I mentioned. But after I did, the kids all thought I was their hero. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Nfinity]

[ QUOTE ]
Pokerrookie def. Cnfuzzd

519 hands. Rivered and turned him till he broke. One of the most enjoyable times I have had playing online poker. And it was all for 2 bucks. Very good match Cnfuzzd. If we played 9 more times, you'd win them all, I am certain.

[/ QUOTE ]

Wouldn't have been half as enjoyable if I was fershnockered and sitting in. I am 110% drunken GOOD TIMES.

[SCfuji]

ill do my best to not alter my play against doc? or sin? ill try to keep it consistent with the way i played against brad and see how it goes. twice brad had me close to about .80 and twice i had brad down to about the same but finally i just went on a luck streak where i just hit flops left and right like flopping two sets of aces in a row. that was a nice 10+ big bet swing.

[SCfuji]

i doubt ill make it to the next round!

[SCfuji]

pokerjo will never talk to you again

[Entity]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Then, I play Entity (probably the easiest of all the matches).

[/ QUOTE ]

Since Entity hasn't played his first match yet, I propose there are better picks for this matchup.

I also think itmesteve is more likely for the previous matchup than cnfuzzd.

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm just wondering what happens if/when my guy doesn't get a hold of me tomorrow.

I'm getting anxious to play. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Rob

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm hoping you'll get a replacement rather than a free ride.

Do you want to do a practice one right now? I can't guarantee I won't have to leave in the middle though.

[/ QUOTE ]

After that 130-hand session (I was down 2BB at the end of it), I have to say that if I meet up with you, it's gonna be one long match. /images/graemlins/smile.gif GG.

[VBM]

[ QUOTE ]
Next round I will probably face btspider (no offense olliejen)

[/ QUOTE ]

none taken; i publicly had him as a regional #1 in the, i think "Donkbet" region i dreamed up. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[aK13]

[ QUOTE ]
blegh,,,,,

poker rookie took it down, 519 hands. I managed to not die for awhile, but am now seriously pissed. Am waiting till tomorrow to think about the match. I still claim i was lucksacked.

However, poker rookie did play a tremendous match. His calling frequency was near optimal, and the few times i caught him bluffing i still felt i shouldnt be calling. Now, if i can just get some draws to come in on my second match, then maybe i will actually feel like im doing something besides getting really lucky to stay alive.

Also, for the record, 50BB stacks are ESSENTIAL to this format. In all honesty, if this happens on a higher limit scale, i would probably demand even larger stacks.

peace

john nickle

[/ QUOTE ]

This match was definitely intense. I'm sure Nfinity and a few others can attest.

[kenberman]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I feel violated.

milesdyon wins in about 15 hands

[/ QUOTE ]
135 hands, and two things about the match (I think):

1. You folded preflop too much.
2. You made some weird bluffs in spots where I couldn't really fold.

[/ QUOTE ]

I agree with #1.

I also agree with #2...I got a bit inpatient with my hands/results, and it was either bluff or let you steamroll me. I maybe could have picked better spots, but my frequency, if anything, wasn't enough.

[BatsShadow]

We're scheduled for 9PM EST if anyone wants to watch me get raped.

Hey bottomset, are we just supposed to schedule our next match (assuming I win /images/graemlins/wink.gif, or should we wait for you to give the go ahead?

[TomBrooks]

Somehow I missed this tournament signup and preparation threads. I've been seeing this and the CHUMP thread, didn't know what it was, and didn't open it.

I see a couple of matches have not gone off yet. If any of those people won't be able to make it, I hereby offer to take your place and return your entry fee to you. This offer would depend, of course, on if it is acceptable to the Tournament Director.

[wyoak]

[ QUOTE ]
After that, it's either SCfuji (shill thinks you are way better than you really are) or DMBfan23.


[/ QUOTE ]
BOOOOO /images/graemlins/frown.gif /images/graemlins/frown.gif

should we wait until round 1 is finished before starting round 2?

[btspider]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Next round I will probably face btspider (no offense olliejen)

[/ QUOTE ]

none taken; i publicly had him as a regional #1 in the, i think "Donkbet" region i dreamed up. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

i now have 120-ish hands of practice under my belt. look out!

hopping on AIM until i have to go out for a bit.

btw, i'll let bottomset make the call, but i think we should start any round 2 matches that can be played. just don't play round 3 until round 1 is complete perhaps. but spread the games out as best as possible.

[GrunchCan]

If there's a waitlist, and any matches aren't at least scheduled by the end of today, I suggest picking up anyone who's missing and subbing in the waitlist.

The show must go on...

[Entity]

Hey cooker,

I'm entityat on AIM in the event that you read this but don't read your PMs.

Rob

[cold_cash]

After 230 hands of being bombarded by my relentless campaign of check/calling and check/folding, the pressure became too great for Chopper77 and he was forced to reluctantly surrender. (That, plus he only had a limited time to play and that time ran out.)

I did have a bit of a lead at the time so I don't feel quite as bad about it. I also offered to refund his entry fee should he lose and I were to finish in the money, thus adding one more member to my already massive and growing legion of fans.

It looks like Brain is next on my hit list. Come get some.

[bottomset]

I have 1 person ready to jump in ASAP

[itsmesteve]

thanks for the vote of confidence . . . hopefully it'll be justified!
-steve

[TripleH68]

Tournament coordinator,

sthief09 and tripleh68 are having trouble scheduling our match. turns out we are working exactly opposite schedules this week. we are working on it...more later...

[ononimo]

[ QUOTE ]
Somehow I missed this tournament signup and preparation threads. I've been seeing this and the CHUMP thread, didn't know what it was, and didn't open it.

I see a couple of matches have not gone off yet. If any of those people won't be able to make it, I hereby offer to take your place and return your entry fee to you. This offer would depend, of course, on if it is acceptable to the Tournament Director.

[/ QUOTE ]

Ditto - if there's a waiting list, I'd love to get down with 'da ruckus.

[Zoelef]

Posted without comment:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y194/Zoelef/Rigged1gif.gif

[SCfuji]

how convenient /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Brain]

[ QUOTE ]
It looks like Brain is next on my hit list. Come get some.

[/ QUOTE ]

Wow, talking smack against bottomset! Beaker and his posse of Dr. Bunsen Honeydew and the Swedish Chef will blow you up like a science experiment gone horribly, horribly wrong.

[TripleH68]

Outlast...outwit...outplay.

I outlasted sthief09.

On to round two for the longshot tripleh68.

[shadow29]

Sarge and I are battling it out on Gaviola.

[A_C_Slater]

[ QUOTE ]
Outlast...outwit...outplay.

I outlasted sthief09.

On to round two for the longshot tripleh68.

[/ QUOTE ]


"We will destroy you without dropping a single bomb!" --- Nikita Khruschev to the U.S. delegation at the U.N.

[btspider]

btspider luckbox'd his way to victory and now talks in the third person.

PokerStars 0.02/0.04 Hold'em (2 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4 SB) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB caps</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (6 BB) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls.

River: (10 BB) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

Final Pot: 12 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has 9h Qc (two pair, nines and eights).
Hero has 8c 9s (full house, eights full of nines).
Outcome: Hero wins 12 BB. </font>

[DMBFan23]

wyoak vs DMBFan23 round 2, table Palach

[dozer]

We can start round 2 already? Nice.

[Sarge85]

one tough mutha....335 hands and going....1.5 hrs.

Sarge/images/graemlins/diamond.gif

[shadow29]

[ QUOTE ]
one tough mutha....335 hands and going....1.5 hrs.

Sarge/images/graemlins/diamond.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

sarge is ridiculously resilient.

[Shillx]

I can either play now, or on friday (or later) but certainly no time inbetween due to other reasons. If the 2nd round will be over by that time I'll have to forefit.

Brad

[MrWookie47]

The defeats of stheif and cnfuzzd are two pretty amazing upsets relative to the pre-CHUMP buzz. I guess us micro boys can play with the guys playing in SS+ after all.

Just remember folks, I picked TripleH68 to win it all from the get-go. (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&amp;Number=2387751&amp;page=16&amp;view= collapsed&amp;sb=5&amp;o=14&amp;vc=1)

[toss]

Does this mean HU is a high variance game? Do we need 100BB stacks?!