"Official" Live at the Bike thread (5/13)

[Kevmath]

Tonight's show is scheduled to be the $500 min/no max NL game. Who'll be unlucky tonight on Friday the 13th? Will anyone call out people posting in the thread and tell them to come to their house? Will the "family guy" come up with some really good avatars and pictures? Will Bart get overly excited several times? Will this thread go on fire yet again?

Tune in and find out.

Kevin...

[Russ McGinley]

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Who'll be unlucky tonight on Friday the 13th?

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The viewers.

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Will anyone call out people posting in the thread and tell them to come to their house?

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Hopefully Vicki.

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Will the "family guy" come up with some really good avatars and pictures?

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Well, duh.

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Will Bart get overly excited several times?

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"Look at this" O/U - 24

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Will this thread go on fire yet again?

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I SMELL RATINGS

[2+2 wannabe]

hopefully it's not like yesterday

[2+2 wannabe]

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I SMELL RATINGS

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LOL by the way

[Russ McGinley]

Nice, 10/20 blinds, $1000 minimum buy-in.

[Jive Dadson]

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I SMELL RATINGS

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LOL by the way

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Yeah. We only get the bombshell babes during SWEEPS week.

[Kevmath]

Last week Bart was critical of Jonas for his rabbit hunting and other antics, will he be doing that again?

Kevin...

[Russ McGinley]

If he does it again, I hope so.

[2+2 wannabe]

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Last week Bart was critical of Jonas for his rabbit hunting and other antics, will he be doing that again?

Kevin...

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was jonas the guy in seat 9 that was a douchebag last weekend?

[Kashie]

http://img77.echo.cx/img77/7549/mytvsetup4ds.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

Here's my computer setup for Live at the Bike!

Too many dead man's hand! lol

[Kevmath]

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Jonas was the guy in seat 9 that was a douchebag last weekend.

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FYP

Kevin... (still 0 so far)

[Jive Dadson]

Will the group statistician please an "exactly" count?

Anneye Thinque.

[Kevmath]

I'll do my best to work on the "exactly" count.

Kevin... (2 LAT, 0 Exactly)

[Russ McGinley]

I don't understand why Dr. BB plays no limit. I guess as a doctor, he must make straight cash, homey.

[Jive Dadson]

If these players are really as good as Bart says, then Bart's version of "implied odds" (the other guy paying off like a slot machine when you pay too much for a draw) goes right out the window.

Jive ("I'm not a big fan of implied odds") Dadson

[Kashie]

Post deleted by Kashie

[Jive Dadson]

Personal sanitary appliance or not, Jonas has a very good feel for the game.

[Russ McGinley]

There is nothing more interesting than hearing a guy brag about himself and how great he is.

[Kevmath]

Can we get more silly animated pictures that don't fit the thread?

Thanks!

Kevin... (2)

[Jive Dadson]

Hahaha. Jonas tests my wish to hear the players. Sheesh. Well, a doctor has to look at sores. Same thing.

[Russ McGinley]

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Can we get more silly animated pictures that don't fit the thread?

Thanks!

Kevin... (2)

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Sure thing!

http://trephination.net/gallery/macros/monkeyrobot.jpg

[2+2 wannabe]

is the woman in seat 5 the one who tilted her money away last week?

[Kashie]

Russ Im going to come down next weekend and see you at the Bike! :_)

[Jive Dadson]

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is the woman in seat 5 the one who tilted her money away last week?

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Yeah. One hand on tilt. Sometimes that's all it takes.

[Russ McGinley]

Are you also going to give me that $1000 you owe me from our bet? /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Jive Dadson]

Now I can't hear anyone, not even Jonas.

[2+2 wannabe]

$20 to see cards?

[Russ McGinley]

HAHAHA

Big ups to the floorman for casually moving the table mic away from Jonas.

[Kashie]

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Are you also going to give me that $1000 you owe me from our bet? /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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I like you but I'm not your sponser. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

At least untill I see you play. /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[Kevmath]

I doubt Kash has that much kash on him.

Where's the announcement about tomorrow night's thebike.com freeroll?

Kevin... (5,1)

[Russ McGinley]

Kash made the bet. I think we might have to take this to the OOT forum.

[Rocaix]

Why bet so little at the end, if your gonna bluff make it tough for the guy to call. TPTK type hands will look you up on the river quite often getting better than 3:1. I would've potted the river or maybe even pushed knowing Jonas can only really call with KK and AQ, and showed the bluff for future EV purposes.

[nofear23]

Can you please explain the straddle bet, and the strategy behind it. Thanks for the commentary.

Nofear23

[Kevmath]

A straddle is a minimum raise done by the player under the gun, in this game it would be a raise to $40. It's usually done to create action.

Kevin...

[ggbman]

what the hell just happened, there was K-10 against Q-10 on TTJJQ board and the pot was awarded to the TQ even though both players had jacks full. Did anyone notice that?

[Russ McGinley]

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what the hell just happened, there was K-10 against Q-10 on TTJJQ board and the pot was awarded to the TQ even though both players had jacks full. Did anyone notice that?

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LOL

[Ghazban]

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what the hell just happened, there was K-10 against Q-10 on TTJJQ board and the pot was awarded to the TQ even though both players had jacks full. Did anyone notice that?

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TTTQQ beats TTTJJ

[Kevmath]

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what the hell just happened, there was K-10 against Q-10 on TTJJQ board and the pot was awarded to the TQ even though both players had jacks full. Did anyone notice that?

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QT had 10's full of queens, KT had 10's full of jacks.

Kevin...

[Ghazban]

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A straddle is a minimum raise done by the player under the gun, in this game it would be a raise to $40. It's usually done to create action.

Kevin...

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The straddle is also live, meaning it acts last before the flop (after the BB)

[2+2 wannabe]

[ QUOTE ]
what the hell just happened, there was K-10 against Q-10 on TTJJQ board and the pot was awarded to the TQ even though both players had jacks full. Did anyone notice that?

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TTTQQ > TTTJJ

[Kashie]

Dr. BB is playing for fun, it seems, not to be a PRo!

Maybe that's why he never makes a move.

[ggbman]

Lol, wow i really shouldnt post when im trashed. For that matter, i should probably stop playing when im trashed...

[2+2 wannabe]

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Lol, wow i really shouldnt post when im trashed. For that matter, i should probably stop playing when im trashed...

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i love posts like this /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Kevmath]

What the show needs is a table full of strangers, this table has too many people who know each other's tendencies. Or more fish.

Kevin...

[Kashie]

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What the show needs is a table full of strangers, this table has too many people who know each other's tendencies. Or more fish.

Kevin...

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Russ will be there next week! /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Kevmath]

Tuch, it's about $1/broadcast day. But you do get hundreds of hours of poker to watch.

Kevin...

[Russ McGinley]

That Quan kid from seat 3 last night is actually Dr. BB's son. True story.

[thedrunk]

What's the deal with "hosting the game"? For example, they mention that Moe is hosting this game.

Ok. Bart, please answer this... these guys either don't know or don't care. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Kashie]

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What's the deal with "hosting the game"? For example, they mention that Moe is hosting this game.

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Moe buys everyone at the table Ice Cream.

And he's here everyweek!

[thedrunk]

You're LATB 5/20-22 Russ? Isn't 5/22 a sunday?

[Russ McGinley]

Yes, but I'll still be there most of the day. I'll only be on the broadcast on Saturday.

[Russ McGinley]

Somebody get the hook for seat 8. He's the Spanish Feech LaManna.

[Kashie]

This is a Noisy Table lol.

I haven't heard Jive complaining about the Table MIC!

[Jive Dadson]

W.C. Fields said, "Never wise up a chump." What did HE know?

I don't know how many times I've heard or read a comment to the effect, "Well, if call on the turn, then you're putting him on a bluff, so if the board doesn't change, it is inconsistent not to call on the river too."

From a game theoretic perspective, that's dead wrong. In fact, the player who bluffs once is not obligated to keep bluffing, and not only is the player who calls once not obligated to keep calling, but it is an big exploitable leak if he always does.

Assume you have a "bluff-catcher" hand and call a pot size bet on the turn. A brick hits the table. Theoretically, how often should you call a pot size bet on the river? Answer: 50 percent. If you don't understand that, you need to repeat Game Theory 101. If you call more than 50%, it is a leak that the other player can exploit by bluffing on the river less than 1/2 as often as he value-bets.

[Jive Dadson]

Another way of putting it is, "If you aren't going to call on the river, you shouldn't call on the turn." That's dead wrong too.

[Jive Dadson]

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This is a Noisy Table lol.

I haven't heard Jive complaining about the Table MIC!

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Actually, I did. But only once. I'm trying to cut down.

[thedrunk]

That's a pretty good explanation. The "and if you don't understand that..." is unnecessary but I like the post. Heh.

[dontcrack]

Jonas is annoying.

I HATE when players talk poker strategy at a table. 90% of the players don't care and don't want to hear it.

Is it me or do the majority of the tools who discuss strategy and berate players at the table seem like guys who got beat up when they were kids and now that they know how to play poker they are getting back at the world.

[Kevmath]

My Name is Jonas was off the first Weezer album, titled "Weezer".

Kevin...

[Jive Dadson]

I have requested that L@TB not use the board camera as the cards are coming out. The graphic at the bottom comes up plenty quick enough. The cut to the board camera makes it impossible to see players' reactions to the flop when THEY are watching the cards come out.

I hope that suggestion is working its way through the system.

[Jive Dadson]

What is the "exactly" count? Is there a combined "exactly/absolutely" count?

[Jive Dadson]

I would like to see sun glasses banned. I guess the problem would be people who claim the doctor makes them wear them.

What is the policy on ski masks?

[Kevmath]

I got bored and stopped both counts tonight.

Kevin...

[Russ McGinley]

I'm wearing my sunglasses next week because they all wear them on the WPT.

Good to see the table coach in seat 9 not missing a beat.

[Jive Dadson]

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I'm wearing my sunglasses next week because they all wear them on the WPT.

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Yeah, but you are a Secret System player.

[Russ McGinley]

Coincidentally, they are also blue.

[gojacketz]

Blue Blockers?

[Russ McGinley]

DID YOU BOOK YOUR TICKET YET

[gojacketz]

Russ,

You have to make a promise that if there are any hot chicks at the table next Saturday, you have to use some really cheesy pickup lines on them. Just to get laughs from viewers, hehe.

Gojacketz

[VegasVixen]

Just got here *sigh* late again, whats up with the monkey / robot?!?!
/images/graemlins/blush.gif
Oh, and how's the game?

[gojacketz]

Haha, no, I haven't. My goal now is the $215 on Sunday on Stars. I think I am gonna play, top 10 and I am there.

Gojacketz

[Russ McGinley]

I'm gonna put the moves on Shirley, but that'll probably be off-camera.

[Jive Dadson]

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Blue Blockers?

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Mr. Science replies...

Blue sun glasses are red-, orange-, yellow-, green-blockers.

[Kevmath]

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I'm gonna put the moves on Shirley, but that'll probably be off-camera.

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You may have to head over to the Commerce to do that, she's been playing in some tourneys over there this week.

Kevin...

[Russ McGinley]

Nah, she'll go to The Bike just to see me.

Or hit me, one of the two.

[Russ McGinley]

Another slowplay bites the dust. Jana/Jennifer would be cheering wildly right now. I am.

[gojacketz]

Seat two just got kicked in the teeth.

Gojacketz

[Kevmath]

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Nah, she'll go to The Bike just to see me.

Or hit me, one of the two.

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Jana, Jennifer, and the guy from last night may want to hit you too.

Kevin...

[Russ McGinley]

He got busted earlier and came back for more. Big mistake.

[Russ McGinley]

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Nah, she'll go to The Bike just to see me.

Or hit me, one of the two.

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Jana, Jennifer, and the guy from last night may want to hit you too.

Kevin...

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Yeah, that's the problem with being an Internet Badass. So many enemies. But I've been in this situation before. Its all good. I'm hoping everyone is saving their strength for the day that Jive shows up.

[gojacketz]

Russ,

You have to go to In N Out Burger. Very tasty burgers, and get the fries well done, mmmmmmmmmm...

I miss my trips to California, oh for the days by the bay... Bay 101 that is, hehe.

Gojacketz

[Russ McGinley]

Those are good burgers, Walter.

[Corey]

Jonas never ceases to amaze me.

[Jive Dadson]

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Those are good burgers, Walter.

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Shut the f*** up, Denny. Uh, Donny.

[Corey]

Bart, not that I don't like your commentary, but what's it gonna take to get Jana, Jennifer, and a couple bottles of wine in the booth again?

[Jive Dadson]

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Jonas never ceases to amaze me.

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What happened? I was listening to Sheryl Crow.

[Russ McGinley]

Babbler in seat 5 (was seat 8) took out his phone to "check his messages", then right after that, he raised, and Jonas starts crying that his hand should be dead and basically whining about it for a few minutes. Floor says its fine, Jonas starts with the "good ruling, good ruling!" and basically being a baby. He had T7o and would have made a straight and of course started crying about that, too.

[Jive Dadson]

Ms. Actress can;t be bothered to call. She's still stacking chips.

[Jive Dadson]

I would have loved to see Jonas's reaction to that flop, but alas...

[Jive Dadson]

"I'm not a big fan" of coding your hand with your bet size, then trying to jam the code. I bet the same amount regardless of what my hand is, nuts or bluff. Game theory again.

[Jive Dadson]

Go Barry! Did he intentionally give seat 1 a weak tell to induce bluffs?

[Russ McGinley]

Great play by Barry. Gore totally fell for it.

[Jive Dadson]

The beautiful thing is that he in effect told Gore exactly what he had. Do you see why it's good to be able to hear the players?

[gojacketz]

Your boy Al Gore is spewing chips like a volcano...

Gojacketz

[Russ McGinley]

I wonder how much Jonas sticking his nose into the hand affected Gore's play in that hand.

[Kevmath]

The only person who really needed to hear Gore that hand was Barry himself.

On another note, nice natural reading there. Couldn't tell at all that was off a piece of paper.

Kevin...

[gojacketz]

EL DIABLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[duma]

Gore showing off his man purse.

[Jive Dadson]

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I wonder how much Jonas sticking his nose into the hand affected Gore's play in that hand.

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It was Jonas who started winkling for the tell, which Barry prompty supplied.

[Jive Dadson]

Say what you will about the tenets of National Socialism, Bart.

[Jive Dadson]

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Say what you will about the tenets of National Socialism, Bart.

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At least it's an ethos.

[Russ McGinley]

Hey, careful man! There's a beverage here!

[Jive Dadson]

Did you see what Ms. Actress did. Straight from Mike Caro.

[Russ McGinley]

I missed it. What'd she do?

[Jive Dadson]

Seat 4 and 5 are doing the mutual turkey trot.

[gojacketz]

Your boy in the five seat has a serious case of Fancy Play Syndrome.

Now go get me a double-double.

Gojacketz

[Jive Dadson]

Mr. Rule Book in seat nine is talking about a hand he's not involved in during the hand again. "What are the odds..."

[Russ McGinley]

I wish Jonas would shut the fu<font color="black"></font>ck up and stop talking to players who are involved in a hand.

[Jive Dadson]

To give him the benefit of the doubt, maybe seat 5 (with KK) saw the same tell I did.

[Rocaix]

The Overbet on the river was the best play he could made, given that he choose to check the turn.

[gojacketz]

Russ,

I knew you had a full house because I could see your cards.

Gojacketz

[Russ McGinley]

He's like Eddie from Tilt, only lamer and more annoying.

[Jive Dadson]

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I wish Jonas would shut the fu<font color="black"></font>ck up and stop talking to players who are involved in a hand.

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The floorman should stop it. One of my pet peeves (and you all know I have an substantial collection) is that the floor people in No. Cal. NEVER monitor the game unless they are specifically called to the table.

[gojacketz]

Why did the four seat check the turn? Mistake number one...

Edit, mistake number two, calling the raise with Q6 probably wasn't very sound, hehe.

Gojacketz

[Jive Dadson]

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I missed it. What'd she do?

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She had a hand she intended to call a bet with, but was less than top pair. She checked and then reached for her chips, as if to say, "I'm calling you down, Bud."

The stupid thing about that tell, which I see very frequently, is that you should do exactly what the other player is trying to make you do! You should check your weaker hands, like second bad kicker or third pair. Of course you still bet a monster like, in this case, top trips.

[Jive Dadson]

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I missed it. What'd she do?

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She had a hand she intended to call a bet with, but was less than top pair. She checked and then reached for her chips, as if to say, "I'm calling you down, Bud."

The stupid thing about that tell, which I see very frequently, is that you should do exactly what the other player is trying to make you do! You should check your weaker hands, like second bad kicker or third pair. Of course you still bet a monster like, in this case, top trips.

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The reason of course, is that the actor, after having failed to prevent the bet, invariably calls anyway.

[Russ McGinley]

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I missed it. What'd she do?

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She had a hand she intended to call a bet with, but was less than top pair. She checked and then reached for her chips, as if to say, "I'm calling you down, Bud."


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Okay, okay. I did see that, it just didn't register. Good call. The old "I'm grabbing my chips to appear strong" move.

[Jive Dadson]

Hahaha. It just occurred to me. Ms. Actress is wearing sun shades.

[Jive Dadson]

Yous guys is nutz. Seat nine was right to check it down.

[Jive Dadson]

OMG, is history going to repeat itself???

[Jive Dadson]

Stupid move by Gore.

[Russ McGinley]

Yep.

Barry pwns Gore.

[Jive Dadson]

Barry is my hero.

[2+2 wannabe]

pwned!

[IronDragon1]

I think this almost rivals what happend to Chad Brown in terms of getting pwn3d

[Jive Dadson]

Now is there any doubt he would have called before if he didn't catch the 7 for two pair on the other hand?

[Jive Dadson]

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Yep.

Barry pwns Gore.

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"Great play by Gore." -- Jennifer

Oops.

[Jive Dadson]

[ QUOTE ]
pwned!

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Translation, please?

[Russ McGinley]

http://trephination.net/gallery/macros/birdcrappedonkid2.jpg

[2+2 wannabe]

wow - did seat 4 play that terribly

[BartHanson]

Hello everybody. Thanks for joining us for our big unrestricted buy in no limit holdem game tonight. We upped the blinds to 10-20 and raised the minimum buy in to $1000. The first couple of hours were slow but we saw some real action in the last hour.

HAND 1

S4 Qc 6C
S5 Kd Kh

Both players have more than $2500. S5 in position. S4 limps S5 makes it $80 more. S4 calls.

FLOP Ks Qs 2c

S4 checks. S5 bets $125. S4 calls.

Turn Qh.

Check Check..

River
Ts

S4 checks. S5 bets $2000. S4 calls.

I said at the time that the river card was action killer for S5 but Jennifer correctly pointed out that S4 had played the hand as if she was on a flush draw. If you look at the board though, what could she have? A s js makes a royal flush. Weak Suited Ace of spades maybe. js 9s is another straight flush. Would S5 check a made flush to you on the river if she is scared of a full house? I think that S5 vastly overbetted the river here and was very lucky that he got called.

I really do not understand how u can call with Qc 6c here as S5 played the hand as if he was on a flush draw. You can really only beat AK, Aces, pocket Jacks, nines or eights here. I think that S5 missed a bet on the turn, if he had bet he would have had all of S4's chips anyway. The third spade and the completion of an A j straight is really scary for trips Queens when the button checks the turn.


HAND 2

S1 Ah 6d
S6 7c 7h
S8 JJ

S6 raises to $80. S8 smooth calls. S1 calls.

Flop:

4d Qs 4h

S6 bets $300. S8 mucks. S1 calls.

Turn:
3c
S1 checks, S6 bets $500. S1 raises to $1300-$1500 total. S6 calls.

River blank.

I don't know what to say here. S6 had about $900 invested in this pot. Barry could not even beat the queen on the board but he called Gor's all in anyway. You have got to figure that he had some sort of tell on Gor, pot odds really don't apply to this hand although it was about a $1800 pot anywhere from $800-$1000 more to call.

Please join us for tomorrow night's Nl holdem free roll play off final table tournament.

Bart

Couple of hands:

NL Holdem 10-20 blinds $1000 minimum buy in.