Standard AA hand

[11t]

I was wondering if anybody would play this any different

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

BB (t4515)
UTG (t1960)
UTG+1 (t3400)
MP1 (t1085)
MP2 (t6175)
MP3 (t691)
CO (t1940)
Button (t1695)
Hero (t4565)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP2 calls t100, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t300</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls t200.

Flop: (t700) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t400</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to t1000</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t4265</font>, MP2 calls t3265.

Turn: (t9230) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: (t9230) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t9230

[Chief911]

No. He had a nice set tho huh?

Nick

[11t]

Yah of 3's, regardless I was wondering if anybody would put him on a hand that he would play in such a way.

I guess what I am wondering is that should I even bother thinking about folding this (which I did) because it will be more profitable in the long run not to?

[mts]

thats why you have to raise more preflop when stacks are this deep. Its still right for him to call and see if he hits his set.

[woodguy]

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thats why you have to raise more preflop when stacks are this deep. Its still right for him to call and see if he hits his set.

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So you want a bigger raise so 33 DOESN'T call???!?!?!?

If you don't want 33 calling, who do you want calling your PF raise w/ AA?

Regards,
Woodguy

[Chief911]

Only thing I would have done differently, is applied the 3xBB +1bb per limper theory, making it a bit more painful. But the reality is, this is the value of why its probably still correct to call, given the implied odds you many times get by hitting that small set.

Nick

[Joey Joe Joe]

If you're going to go broke if he hits his set and you don't hit yours, you most definitely do not want him to call the raise of 200. You'd *way* prefer guys to call preflop with AK, QK, KJs, etc., than 33. You most likely don't get any action out of 33 unless you're beaten, but high cards will often give you great action if they hit a pair.

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thats why you have to raise more preflop when stacks are this deep. Its still right for him to call and see if he hits his set.

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So you want a bigger raise so 33 DOESN'T call???!?!?!?

If you don't want 33 calling, who do you want calling your PF raise w/ AA?

Regards,
Woodguy

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[mts]

yeah thats what i usually do, and yeah he's probably [censored] anyway

[mts]

hell no i dont want 33 calling, he wont pay me off if he misses and i go broke or lose a ton of money if he hits.

[durron597]

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thats why you have to raise more preflop when stacks are this deep. Its still right for him to call and see if he hits his set.

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So you want a bigger raise so 33 DOESN'T call???!?!?!?

If you don't want 33 calling, who do you want calling your PF raise w/ AA?

Regards,
Woodguy

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No, you do want 33 to call. But you don't want 33 to have odds to call, for the same reason that you don't want a flush draw to have odds to call against your TPTK or whatever, you know what I mean.

[Pat Southern]

I assume you would call in his situation with 33, if the roles were reversed, so therefore wouldn't you want him to make a mistake by folding 33? His implied odds are huge if he hits his hand, where as he probably won't pay off unless he hits.

[woodguy]

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hell no i dont want 33 calling, he wont pay me off if he misses and i go broke or lose a ton of money if he hits.

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I see your point about future bets, but I'd raither get the $300 from the 33 than just the blinds.

On the whole I don't mind 2 outers calling my bets.

Regards,
Woodguy

[shish]

I haven't really posted too much on here. I think that when the Villian raises the flop, I'm thinking that he has a set. He limped preflop from middle position, and then called your (small) raise when he would have position post flop. With the stack sizes the way they are, a small pp has a lot of value depending on the flop. You have a lot of chips, and if he flops a set with his small pp, then he has a chance to get all of your chips.

Then you make a bet on the flop that could be a continuation bet (about half the pot). He'd be calling 400 to win 1100, so he's not getting the odds if he's on a draw.

Here's my big question. When you go all in after he raises, isn't he only going to call you with hands that have you drawing nearly dead? I'm all for aggressiveness, but would calling his raise and then seeing the turn be a horrible play here?

[Sluss]

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isn't he only going to call you with hands that have you drawing nearly dead?

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You can get called here by AQ, KK, K /images/graemlins/heart.gifJ /images/graemlins/heart.gif, Just as easily as 33 1010 or QQ.

[shish]

Would you WANT to be called here by K /images/graemlins/heart.gif J /images/graemlins/heart.gif?

Taking away your two aces and your heart, he would have 14 outs 2x. He'd be around 46%, would you want to gamble with all your chips as a 54% favorite in this spot? You have a big stack in relation to the table, why would you want to take what's almost a coinflip here? (i'm only referring to those two cards, not the other 2 hands you mentioned.)

[11t]

I call, the turn is a blank and I check and he pushes.

What do you do now?

[marrek]

I would have raised more, 5 or 600. Even though you have AA, you're out of position in the SB. With your deep stacks, its going to be hard to play if you see a flop.

Also, when he raises the flop, what did you put him on? I dont' know if its possible to get away from the hand, but his reraise screams of strength considering you rasied pre flop and the flop is high and co-ordinated. He has to be worried of your hand.

Marrek

[shish]

I see what you're saying. The hard part about this for me was that I saw the post about what the villian had before I made my reply. So I'm not sure if I'm being results oriented. I think I'm being honest with myself when I said in my original post that my first thought when he re-raised your flop bet was "set". However that could be the knowledge of his hand peeking through into my thought process. I still believe that given the situation described, when you push, the majority of the hands that he's going to call with are going to be hands that you're drawing to two outs.