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dfscott
05-13-2005, 01:46 AM
A couple of people have said they like these, so here's another (I feel a bit like the bride stripped bare, but it's for my homies, so whatever...)

Feel free to let me have it...


(P.S. I cheated and put the bubble bursting hand because I was so proud of my call, getting terrific odds and all)

***** Hand History for Game 2041157470 *****
200/400 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12160473) - Fri May 13 00:49:55 EDT 2005
Table Table 11561 (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: dfscott1 (1285)
Seat 4: BearDown2007 (2055)
Seat 7: koko179 (450)
Seat 8: dsamas (4210)
dsamas posts small blind (100)
dfscott1 posts big blind (200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to dfscott1 [ 6s, 7s ]
BearDown2007 folds.
koko179 raises (450) to 450
koko179 is all-In.
dsamas folds.
dfscott1 calls (250)
Creating Main Pot with $1000 with koko179
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 2d, 3c, Th ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 6d ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 5h ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1000 |
Board: [ 2d 3c Th 6d 5h ]
dfscott1 balance 1835, bet 450, collected 1000, net +550 [ 6s 7s ] [ a pair of sixes -- Th,7s,6s,6d,5h ]
BearDown2007 balance 2055, didn't bet (folded)
koko179 balance 0, lost 450 [ Ad Qd ] [ high card ace -- Ad,Qd,Th,6d,5h ]
dsamas balance 4110, lost 100 (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 2041160310 *****
koko179 finished in fourth place.
200/400 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12160473) - Fri May 13 00:50:27 EDT 2005
Table Table 11561 (Real Money) -- Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 3
Seat 1: dfscott1 (1835)
Seat 4: BearDown2007 (2055)
Seat 8: dsamas (4110)
dfscott1 posts small blind (100)
BearDown2007 posts big blind (200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to dfscott1 [ 3s, 3h ]
dsamas folds.
BearDown2007: great call
dfscott1 raises (1735) to 1835
dfscott1 is all-In.
BearDown2007 calls (1635)
Creating Main Pot with $3670 with dfscott1
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 9s, 8s, 5s ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Tc ]
** Dealing River ** : [ Qc ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 3670 |
Board: [ 9s 8s 5s Tc Qc ]
dfscott1 balance 3670, bet 1835, collected 3670, net +1835 [ 3s 3h ] [ a pair of threes -- Qc,Tc,9s,3s,3h ]
BearDown2007 balance 220, lost 1835 [ Ac 7d ] [ high card ace -- Ac,Qc,Tc,9s,8s ]
dsamas balance 4110, didn't bet (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 2041162538 *****
300/600 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12160473) - Fri May 13 00:50:54 EDT 2005
Table Table 11561 (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 3
Seat 1: dfscott1 (3670)
Seat 4: BearDown2007 (220)
Seat 8: dsamas (4110)
BearDown2007 posts small blind (150)
dsamas posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to dfscott1 [ 9s, 4c ]
dfscott1 folds.
BearDown2007 calls (70)
BearDown2007 is all-In.
Creating Main Pot with $440 with BearDown2007
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 5s, 8d, Th ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 7c ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 5c ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 440 | Side Pot 1: 80
Board: [ 5s 8d Th 7c 5c ]
dfscott1 balance 3670, didn't bet (folded)
BearDown2007 balance 440, bet 220, collected 440, net +220 [ 8c Ac ] [ two pairs, eights and fives -- Ac,8c,8d,5s,5c ]
dsamas balance 3890, bet 300, collected 80, lost -220 [ Qh 9h ] [ a pair of fives -- Qh,Th,9h,5s,5c ]

***** Hand History for Game 2041164042 *****
300/600 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12160473) - Fri May 13 00:51:11 EDT 2005
Table Table 11561 (Real Money) -- Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 3
Seat 1: dfscott1 (3670)
Seat 4: BearDown2007 (440)
Seat 8: dsamas (3890)
dsamas posts small blind (150)
dfscott1 posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to dfscott1 [ 7d, 2h ]
BearDown2007 raises (440) to 440
BearDown2007 is all-In.
dsamas folds.
dfscott1 calls (140)
Creating Main Pot with $1030 with BearDown2007
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 9h, Kc, 6s ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 3c ]
** Dealing River ** : [ Ac ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1030 |
Board: [ 9h Kc 6s 3c Ac ]
dfscott1 balance 3230, lost 440 [ 7d 2h ] [ high card ace -- Ac,Kc,9h,7d,6s ]
BearDown2007 balance 1030, bet 440, collected 1030, net +590 [ 5c 8c ] [ a flush, ace high -- Ac,Kc,8c,5c,3c ]
dsamas balance 3740, lost 150 (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 2041166556 *****
300/600 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12160473) - Fri May 13 00:51:41 EDT 2005
Table Table 11561 (Real Money) -- Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 3
Seat 1: dfscott1 (3230)
Seat 4: BearDown2007 (1030)
Seat 8: dsamas (3740)
dfscott1 posts small blind (150)
BearDown2007 posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to dfscott1 [ 8s, Qc ]
dsamas folds.
dfscott1 raises (3080) to 3230
dfscott1 is all-In.
BearDown2007 calls (730)
BearDown2007 is all-In.
Creating Main Pot with $2060 with BearDown2007
Creating Side Pot 1 with $2200 with dfscott1
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 9s, 2h, 6h ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 8d ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 7c ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 2060 | Side Pot 1: 2200
Board: [ 9s 2h 6h 8d 7c ]
dfscott1 balance 4260, bet 3230, collected 4260, net +1030 [ 8s Qc ] [ a pair of eights -- Qc,9s,8s,8d,7c ]
BearDown2007 balance 0, lost 1030 [ 3d Kc ] [ high card king -- Kc,9s,8d,7c,6h ]
dsamas balance 3740, didn't bet (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 2041168392 *****
BearDown2007 finished in third place and won $60.
300/600 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12160473) - Fri May 13 00:52:03 EDT 2005
Table Table 11561 (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 1: dfscott1 (4260)
Seat 8: dsamas (3740)
dfscott1 posts small blind (150)
dsamas posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to dfscott1 [ 8s, 2s ]
dfscott1 folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 450
dfscott1 balance 4110, lost 150 (folded)
dsamas balance 3890, bet 300, collected 450, net +150

***** Hand History for Game 2041169670 *****
300/600 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12160473) - Fri May 13 00:52:17 EDT 2005
Table Table 11561 (Real Money) -- Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 1: dfscott1 (4110)
Seat 8: dsamas (3890)
dsamas posts small blind (150)
dfscott1 posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to dfscott1 [ 2d, 2s ]
dsamas raises (450) to 600
dfscott1 raises (1100) to 1400
dsamas calls (800)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 8c, 8h, Qs ]
dfscott1 bets (2710)
dfscott1 is all-In.
dsamas folds.
Creating Main Pot with $5510 with dfscott1
** Summary **
Main Pot: 5510
Board: [ 8c 8h Qs ]
dfscott1 balance 5510, bet 4110, collected 5510, net +1400
dsamas balance 2490, lost 1400 (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 2041172908 *****
300/600 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12160473) - Fri May 13 00:52:55 EDT 2005
Table Table 11561 (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 1: dfscott1 (5510)
Seat 8: dsamas (2490)
dfscott1 posts small blind (150)
dsamas posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to dfscott1 [ Qd, 4h ]
dfscott1 raises (5360) to 5510
dfscott1 is all-In.
dsamas calls (2190)
dsamas is all-In.
Creating Main Pot with $4980 with dsamas
Creating Side Pot 1 with $3020 with dfscott1
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 6c, 2s, Qc ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Kc ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 2h ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 4980 | Side Pot 1: 3020
Board: [ 6c 2s Qc Kc 2h ]
dfscott1 balance 3020, bet 5510, collected 3020, lost -2490 [ Qd 4h ] [ two pairs, queens and twos -- Kc,Qd,Qc,2s,2h ]
dsamas balance 4980, bet 2490, collected 4980, net +2490 [ Jc Kd ] [ two pairs, kings and twos -- Kd,Kc,Qc,2s,2h ]

***** Hand History for Game 2041174768 *****
300/600 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12160473) - Fri May 13 00:53:17 EDT 2005
Table Table 11561 (Real Money) -- Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 1: dfscott1 (3020)
Seat 8: dsamas (4980)
dsamas posts small blind (150)
dfscott1 posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to dfscott1 [ Ad, 8d ]
dsamas calls (150)
dfscott1 raises (2720) to 3020
dfscott1 is all-In.
dsamas calls (2720)
Creating Main Pot with $6040 with dfscott1
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 3h, Kc, 6d ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 8c ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 5s ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 6040 |
Board: [ 3h Kc 6d 8c 5s ]
dfscott1 balance 0, lost 3020 [ Ad 8d ] [ a pair of eights -- Ad,Kc,8d,8c,6d ]
dsamas balance 8000, bet 3020, collected 6040, net +3020 [ Kh Kd ] [ three of a kind, kings -- Kh,Kd,Kc,8c,6d ]
bluefeet
05-13-2005, 01:56 AM
sweat! must have been a stressful 5 seconds waiting for that A or Q to drop /images/graemlins/wink.gif
curtains
05-13-2005, 03:51 AM
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***** Hand History for Game 2041168392 *****
BearDown2007 finished in third place and won $60.
300/600 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12160473) - Fri May 13 00:52:03 EDT 2005
Table Table 11561 (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 1: dfscott1 (4260)
Seat 8: dsamas (3740)
dfscott1 posts small blind (150)
dsamas posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to dfscott1 [ 8s, 2s ]
dfscott1 folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 450
dfscott1 balance 4110, lost 150 (folded)
dsamas balance 3890, bet 300, collected 450, net +150

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I simply will not fold here against some random opponent. I usually call, but of course your play isn't terrible.

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***** Hand History for Game 2041169670 *****
300/600 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12160473) - Fri May 13 00:52:17 EDT 2005
Table Table 11561 (Real Money) -- Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 1: dfscott1 (4110)
Seat 8: dsamas (3890)
dsamas posts small blind (150)
dfscott1 posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to dfscott1 [ 2d, 2s ]
dsamas raises (450) to 600
dfscott1 raises (1100) to 1400
dsamas calls (800)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 8c, 8h, Qs ]
dfscott1 bets (2710)
dfscott1 is all-In.
dsamas folds.
Creating Main Pot with $5510 with dfscott1
** Summary **
Main Pot: 5510
Board: [ 8c 8h Qs ]
dfscott1 balance 5510, bet 4110, collected 5510, net +1400
dsamas balance 2490, lost 1400 (folded)


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I hate your reraise preflop because it gives him no oppurtunity to fold. Once someone puts in 600 they usually will not fold for 800 more, especially headsup. Meanwhile you have 22 and definitely want them to fold. I would probably either move allin or call, depending on how I felt.

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***** Hand History for Game 2041172908 *****
300/600 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12160473) - Fri May 13 00:52:55 EDT 2005
Table Table 11561 (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 1: dfscott1 (5510)
Seat 8: dsamas (2490)
dfscott1 posts small blind (150)
dsamas posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to dfscott1 [ Qd, 4h ]
dfscott1 raises (5360) to 5510
dfscott1 is all-In.
dsamas calls (2190)
dsamas is all-In.
Creating Main Pot with $4980 with dsamas
Creating Side Pot 1 with $3020 with dfscott1
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 6c, 2s, Qc ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Kc ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 2h ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 4980 | Side Pot 1: 3020
Board: [ 6c 2s Qc Kc 2h ]
dfscott1 balance 3020, bet 5510, collected 3020, lost -2490 [ Qd 4h ] [ two pairs, queens and twos -- Kc,Qd,Qc,2s,2h ]
dsamas balance 4980, bet 2490, collected 4980, net +2490 [ Jc Kd ] [ two pairs, kings and twos -- Kd,Kc,Qc,2s,2h ]

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This is almost surely correct.

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***** Hand History for Game 2041174768 *****
300/600 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12160473) - Fri May 13 00:53:17 EDT 2005
Table Table 11561 (Real Money) -- Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 1: dfscott1 (3020)
Seat 8: dsamas (4980)
dsamas posts small blind (150)
dfscott1 posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to dfscott1 [ Ad, 8d ]
dsamas calls (150)
dfscott1 raises (2720) to 3020
dfscott1 is all-In.
dsamas calls (2720)
Creating Main Pot with $6040 with dfscott1
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 3h, Kc, 6d ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 8c ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 5s ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 6040 |
Board: [ 3h Kc 6d 8c 5s ]
dfscott1 balance 0, lost 3020 [ Ad 8d ] [ a pair of eights -- Ad,Kc,8d,8c,6d ]
dsamas balance 8000, bet 3020, collected 6040, net +3020 [ Kh Kd ] [ three of a kind, kings -- Kh,Kd,Kc,8c,6d ]

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Also correct.


Overall I think this headsup battle was close to perfectly played, much much better than the previous ones. The one hand which I'm pretty sure wasn't good was the 22 hand. The 82s hand is a matter of style, and Im sure its not terrible to fold preflop, although I'm at least calling for sure.
curtains
05-13-2005, 03:55 AM
btw I don't think the Q4 hand was a mandatory push, but I almost always push there. The K+S number is deceiving because most people will fold weak kings, and almost all queens there.

However if you are playing the type of opponent who plays very predictably, calling preflop and betting any flop after he checks is reasonable and produces less variance, however if he had 2000 left instead of 2500, I think you should definitely push. I still think you should, but arguments can probably be made that you shouldn't.
dfscott
05-13-2005, 10:01 AM
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***** Hand History for Game 2041169670 *****
300/600 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12160473) - Fri May 13 00:52:17 EDT 2005
Table Table 11561 (Real Money) -- Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 1: dfscott1 (4110)
Seat 8: dsamas (3890)
dsamas posts small blind (150)
dfscott1 posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to dfscott1 [ 2d, 2s ]
dsamas raises (450) to 600
dfscott1 raises (1100) to 1400
dsamas calls (800)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 8c, 8h, Qs ]
dfscott1 bets (2710)
dfscott1 is all-In.
dsamas folds.
Creating Main Pot with $5510 with dfscott1
** Summary **
Main Pot: 5510
Board: [ 8c 8h Qs ]
dfscott1 balance 5510, bet 4110, collected 5510, net +1400
dsamas balance 2490, lost 1400 (folded)


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I hate your reraise preflop because it gives him no oppurtunity to fold. Once someone puts in 600 they usually will not fold for 800 more, especially headsup. Meanwhile you have 22 and definitely want them to fold. I would probably either move allin or call, depending on how I felt.


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I really, really, REALLY hate micropairs. While I know that mathematically, 22 is better than A2o, KTo, and JTs HU, it's just hard for me to internalize. Every card is an overcard, and it scares the crap out of me to play a flop. I probably need to research the math better so I'll feel better about playing them.

Anyway, here was my thought process here. If he called, I would've pushed. If he had pushed, I would've winced, and folded. But since he went for a 3*BB raise, I decided to push any reasonable flop (any paired flop or a flop with a two or fewer broadway). The re-raise was FPS* -- I didn't expect a fold (although that would've been fine). I was just trying to represent a decent hand, hoping my post-flop push would have more FE that way. If he'd re-raised me all-in, I would've folded and still had a decent amount of chips left.

In retrospect, it's probably flawed thinking but that's what I was doing.

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Overall I think this headsup battle was close to perfectly played, much much better than the previous ones. The one hand which I'm pretty sure wasn't good was the 22 hand. The 82s hand is a matter of style, and Im sure its not terrible to fold preflop, although I'm at least calling for sure.

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Thanks, I appreciate the compliment and noted the places I can improve.

I'm feeling a lot more confident, too, which I think is half the battle.
gumpzilla
05-13-2005, 10:14 AM
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Anyway, here was my thought process here. If he called, I would've pushed. If he had pushed, I would've winced, and folded. But since he went for a 3*BB raise, I decided to push any reasonable flop (any paired flop or a flop with a two or fewer broadway). The re-raise was FPS* -- I didn't expect a fold (although that would've been fine). I was just trying to represent a decent hand, hoping my post-flop push would have more FE that way.

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I don't think this is fancy play syndrome, I think it's actually a really good idea given the plan you intend to take. I'll admit that my first thought was that you should push right away, but I actually think the line you took is probably going to extract more chips on average. It's sort of a "start-going-and-keep-going."
GtrHtr
05-13-2005, 10:14 AM
This hand:

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***** Hand History for Game 2041168392 *****
BearDown2007 finished in third place and won $60.
300/600 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12160473) - Fri May 13 00:52:03 EDT 2005
Table Table 11561 (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 1: dfscott1 (4260)
Seat 8: dsamas (3740)
dfscott1 posts small blind (150)
dsamas posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to dfscott1 [ 8s, 2s ]
dfscott1 folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 450
dfscott1 balance 4110, lost 150 (folded)
dsamas balance 3890, bet 300, collected 450, net +150


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Made me shout "NO!!!!" at my monitor. This is one of those places were I'd call. If he gets aggressive and reraises, fold, no biggy. 82o in the SB, fold is ok.

Otherwise, you played very well and the other guy jst got better cards at key times.
dfscott
05-13-2005, 10:23 AM
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This hand:

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***** Hand History for Game 2041168392 *****
BearDown2007 finished in third place and won $60.
300/600 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12160473) - Fri May 13 00:52:03 EDT 2005
Table Table 11561 (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 1: dfscott1 (4260)
Seat 8: dsamas (3740)
dfscott1 posts small blind (150)
dsamas posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to dfscott1 [ 8s, 2s ]
dfscott1 folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 450
dfscott1 balance 4110, lost 150 (folded)
dsamas balance 3890, bet 300, collected 450, net +150


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Made me shout "NO!!!!" at my monitor. This is one of those places were I'd call. If he gets aggressive and reraises, fold, no biggy. 82o in the SB, fold is ok.

Otherwise, you played very well and the other guy jst got better cards at key times.

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I'm confused -- you said you'd call, but then you said that with 82o in the SB, folding is ok???

Assuming you meant the former, you're saying that you'd call and fold to a raise? And after the flop, you'd fold to a bet but bet if checked to?

What would you do on a K84 flop if he bets into you? What about a Q42?
GtrHtr
05-13-2005, 10:45 AM
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This hand:

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***** Hand History for Game 2041168392 *****
BearDown2007 finished in third place and won $60.
300/600 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12160473) - Fri May 13 00:52:03 EDT 2005
Table Table 11561 (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 1: dfscott1 (4260)
Seat 8: dsamas (3740)
dfscott1 posts small blind (150)
dsamas posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to dfscott1 [ 8s, 2s ]
dfscott1 folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 450
dfscott1 balance 4110, lost 150 (folded)
dsamas balance 3890, bet 300, collected 450, net +150


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Made me shout "NO!!!!" at my monitor. This is one of those places were I'd call. If he gets aggressive and reraises, fold, no biggy. 82o in the SB, fold is ok.

Otherwise, you played very well and the other guy jst got better cards at key times.

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I'm confused -- you said you'd call, but then you said that with 82o in the SB, folding is ok???

Assuming you meant the former, you're saying that you'd call and fold to a raise? And after the flop, you'd fold to a bet but bet if checked to?

What would you do on a K84 flop if he bets into you? What about a Q42?

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Let me break this down and hopefully I've got it right.

Lets assume that every hand HU does not result in one of the players AI.

With that, any 2 suited cards are playable from the SB.

82s in the SB I would call. If the BB raises to your PF call, given your chip stack, folding is fine.

Flop K84. Assuming its rainbow I would lead out with a bet. Nothing huge but enough to find out what the BB probably has. Middle pair HU is good, not great but the odds are that BB has NO piece of it. If he does, you will soon find out.

Q42 flop. Same as above, but obvously you are not as strong with bottom pair.

82o is a fold for me almost every time.

Sorry to be confusing. I sent you a PM.
dfscott
05-13-2005, 10:50 AM
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This hand:

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***** Hand History for Game 2041168392 *****
BearDown2007 finished in third place and won $60.
300/600 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12160473) - Fri May 13 00:52:03 EDT 2005
Table Table 11561 (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 1: dfscott1 (4260)
Seat 8: dsamas (3740)
dfscott1 posts small blind (150)
dsamas posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to dfscott1 [ 8s, 2s ]
dfscott1 folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 450
dfscott1 balance 4110, lost 150 (folded)
dsamas balance 3890, bet 300, collected 450, net +150


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Made me shout "NO!!!!" at my monitor. This is one of those places were I'd call. If he gets aggressive and reraises, fold, no biggy. 82o in the SB, fold is ok.

Otherwise, you played very well and the other guy jst got better cards at key times.

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I'm confused -- you said you'd call, but then you said that with 82o in the SB, folding is ok???

Assuming you meant the former, you're saying that you'd call and fold to a raise? And after the flop, you'd fold to a bet but bet if checked to?

What would you do on a K84 flop if he bets into you? What about a Q42?

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Let me break this down and hopefully I've got it right.

Lets assume that every hand HU does not result in one of the players AI.

With that, any 2 suited cards are playable from the SB.

82s in the SB I would call. If the BB raises to your PF call, given your chip stack, folding is fine.

Flop K84. Assuming its rainbow I would lead out with a bet. Nothing huge but enough to find out what the BB probably has. Middle pair HU is good, not great but the odds are that BB has NO piece of it. If he does, you will soon find out.

Q42 flop. Same as above, but obvously you are not as strong with bottom pair.

82o is a fold for me almost every time.

Sorry to be confusing. I sent you a PM.

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I agree with your line of leading out if checked to you. I'm curious as to how you'd play it if villian bets into you and when you connected with a piece of the flop (remember that you're last to act when HU in the SB).
GtrHtr
05-13-2005, 11:18 AM
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***** Hand History for Game 2041168392 *****
BearDown2007 finished in third place and won $60.
300/600 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12160473) - Fri May 13 00:52:03 EDT 2005
Table Table 11561 (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 1: dfscott1 (4260)
Seat 8: dsamas (3740)
dfscott1 posts small blind (150)
dsamas posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to dfscott1 [ 8s, 2s ]
dfscott1 folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 450
dfscott1 balance 4110, lost 150 (folded)
dsamas balance 3890, bet 300, collected 450, net +150


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Made me shout "NO!!!!" at my monitor. This is one of those places were I'd call. If he gets aggressive and reraises, fold, no biggy. 82o in the SB, fold is ok.

Otherwise, you played very well and the other guy jst got better cards at key times.

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I'm confused -- you said you'd call, but then you said that with 82o in the SB, folding is ok???

Assuming you meant the former, you're saying that you'd call and fold to a raise? And after the flop, you'd fold to a bet but bet if checked to?

What would you do on a K84 flop if he bets into you? What about a Q42?

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Let me break this down and hopefully I've got it right.

Lets assume that every hand HU does not result in one of the players AI.

With that, any 2 suited cards are playable from the SB.

82s in the SB I would call. If the BB raises to your PF call, given your chip stack, folding is fine.

Flop K84. Assuming its rainbow I would lead out with a bet. Nothing huge but enough to find out what the BB probably has. Middle pair HU is good, not great but the odds are that BB has NO piece of it. If he does, you will soon find out.

Q42 flop. Same as above, but obvously you are not as strong with bottom pair.

82o is a fold for me almost every time.

Sorry to be confusing. I sent you a PM.

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I agree with your line of leading out if checked to you. I'm curious as to how you'd play it if villian bets into you and when you connected with a piece of the flop (remember that you're last to act when HU in the SB).

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It would depend on the size of the bet from the BB, reads, etc. - obviously.

BB Checks, bet.
BB bets 300. I usually reraise.
BB pushes. I fold.

It is sort of like a limit game where you have isolated to HU before the flop. Probably a very bad analogy but I'm struggling to find the right words.
curtains
05-13-2005, 03:56 PM
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BearDown2007 finished in third place and won $60.
300/600 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12160473) - Fri May 13 00:52:03 EDT 2005
Table Table 11561 (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 1: dfscott1 (4260)
Seat 8: dsamas (3740)
dfscott1 posts small blind (150)
dsamas posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to dfscott1 [ 8s, 2s ]
dfscott1 folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 450
dfscott1 balance 4110, lost 150 (folded)
dsamas balance 3890, bet 300, collected 450, net +150


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Made me shout "NO!!!!" at my monitor. This is one of those places were I'd call. If he gets aggressive and reraises, fold, no biggy. 82o in the SB, fold is ok.

Otherwise, you played very well and the other guy jst got better cards at key times.

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I'm confused -- you said you'd call, but then you said that with 82o in the SB, folding is ok???

Assuming you meant the former, you're saying that you'd call and fold to a raise? And after the flop, you'd fold to a bet but bet if checked to?

What would you do on a K84 flop if he bets into you? What about a Q42?

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Let me break this down and hopefully I've got it right.

Lets assume that every hand HU does not result in one of the players AI.

With that, any 2 suited cards are playable from the SB.

82s in the SB I would call. If the BB raises to your PF call, given your chip stack, folding is fine.

Flop K84. Assuming its rainbow I would lead out with a bet. Nothing huge but enough to find out what the BB probably has. Middle pair HU is good, not great but the odds are that BB has NO piece of it. If he does, you will soon find out.

Q42 flop. Same as above, but obvously you are not as strong with bottom pair.

82o is a fold for me almost every time.

Sorry to be confusing. I sent you a PM.

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I agree with your line of leading out if checked to you. I'm curious as to how you'd play it if villian bets into you and when you connected with a piece of the flop (remember that you're last to act when HU in the SB).

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It really depends how you feel about the opponent when it comes to responding on the flop to bet. There are no right or wrong answers. I'd be hard pressed to fold 82 on a Q84 flop, but anythings possible.