JJ , party 3/6, standard?

[pokahjokah]

UTG+1 limps, all fold to Mid position who limps, CO limps, and I raise JJ on button.
Blinds fold, all others call, to the flop 4 Handed.
Flop is:
Kc 5c 8s
All check to me, I bet.
UTG+1 folds, others call.
Turn is a 4d (3 handed)
All check to me, I bet.
All call.
River is a Ac (3 Handed)
All check to me I check.

The river completed the Flush, and put two likely overs out there so I checked. Does anyone p lay this hand differently? Is this pretty much standard?

[elindauer]

Totally standard.

Good luck.
Eric

[Clarkmeister]

Nothing you can really do differently there. A bet on the river will sometimes fold a weak king that is first in line to call, leaving you against a bunch of worse hands, but that's a fairly rare parlay. Well played.

[JoshuaD]

If the A was offsuit I might bet it.

[PokerBob]

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Nothing you can really do differently there. A bet on the river will sometimes fold a weak king that is first in line to call, leaving you against a bunch of worse hands, but that's a fairly rare parlay. Well played.

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Are you betting the river if a total brick hits?

[Fat Nicky]

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If the A was offsuit I might bet it.

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that makes it closer, but still not close enough to bet IMO.

[DMBFan23]

Jah mon

[pshabi]

On the turn, can you safely assume you are up against a weak King?

I would lean towards checking the turn through with that many people calling the flop bet.

Someone explain why that's a bad line please.

[Fat Nicky]

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I would lean towards checking the turn through with that many people calling the flop bet.

Someone explain why that's a bad line please.


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because you give a free card to anyone holding a flush draw, a Q or and A.

[PokerBob]

OK. This is something that kinda confuses me. I just wonder if I will be shown someting other than a K often enough to make this bet profitable. If they are drawing, they missed and will muck the river. If they have a K, their hand is made and I lose. I think I know the reasons for betting. Tell me if I am thinking straight (I lost 80BB in 1.3K hands last night, so I'm seeing monsters a bit)...If anyone had a K, they probably would have bet it, or gotten cute with a c/r at some point.....some jackass with A8 or 98 or 28 or a naked ace will call me.....

On an aside, what do your think the ratio is for times I will be show a K to times I will be called with a worse hand? 45/50? 40/50? 35/50?.....

[DMBFan23]

I suppose it depends on the river "blank"

but if they limped with something like 99, A8s, 89s, etc, or if they hit something like a T on the river with QcTc, then they will call a bet.

if he's a typical player then I would imagine he doesn't have a K because of his combined lack of a PFR (this eliminates AK, KQ most of the time) and his lack of any flop/turn action.

he could have something like K9s or KTs, but hey we only have to win slightly more than half of the time when called.

I usually just assume I'm in river value bet mode in position with these kinds of hands until I get a specific read that I'm up against a tricky checkraiser or a weak tight rock.


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On an aside, what do your think the ratio is for times I will be show a K to times I will be called with a worse hand? 45/50? 40/50? 35/50?.....


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I would say it's slimmer than some obvious value bets like top pair, since you have to estimate from combined action on all streets that a K is less likely

[chief444]

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On the turn, can you safely assume you are up against a weak King?

I would lean towards checking the turn through with that many people calling the flop bet.

Someone explain why that's a bad line please.


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Because that's a very bad assumption.

[PokerBob]

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because you give a free card to anyone holding a flush draw, a Q or and A.

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