KK, Flush Draw, 2 All ins... Call?

[MSUcougar]

Is it CORRECT to call here? Would YOU call here? This is a $100+9...

The converter won't recognize this hand for some reason...

Trny:12132917 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Thursday, May 12, 00:34:03 EDT 2005
Table Table 12506 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 8: jacks_r_good ( $955 )
Seat 4: HERO ( $1060 )
Seat 6: hsternaaakk ( $1000 )
Seat 5: PhilIveysMom ( $1000 )
Seat 2: santana275 ( $1000 )
Seat 3: enoch111 ( $985 )
Seat 1: biggaucho ( $1000 )
Seat 10: toiphaithang ( $1000 )
Seat 7: H8SUKOUTS ( $1000 )
Seat 9: greenbaytom ( $1000 )
Trny:12132917 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ Kd Kc ]
hsternaaakk raises [50].
H8SUKOUTS calls [50].
jacks_r_good folds.
greenbaytom folds.
toiphaithang folds.
biggaucho calls [50].
santana275 calls [50].
enoch111 folds.
HERO raises [190].
PhilIveysMom folds.
hsternaaakk calls [150].
H8SUKOUTS calls [150].
biggaucho calls [150].
santana275 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ac, 8c, 7c ]
HERO checks.
hsternaaakk is all-In [800]
H8SUKOUTS folds.
biggaucho is all-In [800]
HERO...????

I have to call 800 to win a pot of 3250...

[Scuba Chuck]

3:1 you hit the nut flush (assuming all live outs), and the pot is paying you 3.06:1 to call. Furthermore, there are two other Ks out there, if there is no live flush. I don't think you could consider calling here horrible.


The fact that you have the king of clubs, and that the original pusher likely does not have the flush (likely has an ace, or a set), that leaves only the caller with some potential clubs in his hand. You may have more live clubs than you realize (or you don't need to discount too many.)

[lorinda]

I believe this is a call. For me the fact that I likely have 11 outs instead of 9 swings it from "ugh" to reasonably easy.

Lori

[curtains]

btw please please raise more preflop. I really hate the raise to 190. I would make it about 275-350

[Scuba Chuck]

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btw please please raise more preflop. I really hate the raise to 190. I would make it about 275-350

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This must be a higher level thing. Lower levels, this size raise doesn't get called often.

[MSUcougar]

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btw please please raise more preflop. I really hate the raise to 190. I would make it about 275-350

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it's actually 200, I was in the SB...

I didn't expect to get 3 callers... I suppose I did offer correct odds to do so though...

[gumpzilla]

Where are you getting 3:1 to hit the flush from? He's got a 35% chance to hit it in the next two cards if he gets all in here, which is basically 2:1. It seems very likely that a set is out, so boat redraws are going to be something to worry about, but since he's getting 3:1 I think he's covered here. The K outs are gravy.

I call this pretty quickly.

[curtains]

When someone open raises for 50, and 3 people cold call for 50 on Partypoker, 190 isnt going to weed the field as much as you want to. 300 stands a good chance of getting the pot headsup, and if not...you are at least completely outplaying them.

[Scuba Chuck]

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which is basically 2:1.

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My mistake. My sleepy mind converted a 1 in 3 chance to 3:1.

[MSUcougar]

Results of the hand in white... I'd love to hear some more opinions on the play here though...

<font color="white">I called, BOTH players showed AJo, neither with a club, of course no club came. An observing player told me my call was retarded. </font> /images/graemlins/crazy.gif

[curtains]

I really think the thing that really stands out is the preflop raise. Your raise amount just seems like a clear strategic error to me.

You are so likely to get action by making a bigger raise after all the previous preflop action, I don't see the need to make such a small raise with so many pepole committing 50 chips.