Another HU train wreck

[dfscott]

After posting this, I think I'm going to throw up. I had my K+S numbers handy, but I still couldn't make this happen. Maybe this was just variance, but I thought I'd post it and see.

Should I just pushing any two every so often even if I don't get a hand? What about my initial fold with 52o when he was short-stacked? K+S numbers have this a fold, but I wasn't sure if I was reading it right.

As always, any suggestions would be appreciated...

PokerStars Game #1681101668: Tournament #7843513, Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2005/05/11 - 22:42:49 (ET)
Table '7843513 1' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: tex53051 (770 in chips)
Seat 4: dfscott (12730 in chips)
tex53051: posts the ante 25
dfscott: posts the ante 25
dfscott: posts small blind 100
tex53051: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [3c Js]
dfscott: raises 9800 to 10000
tex53051: folds
dfscott collected 450 from pot
dfscott: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 450 | Rake 0
Seat 1: tex53051 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: dfscott (button) (small blind) collected (450)



PokerStars Game #1681104568: Tournament #7843513, Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2005/05/11 - 22:43:12 (ET)
Table '7843513 1' Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: tex53051 (545 in chips)
Seat 4: dfscott (12955 in chips)
tex53051: posts the ante 25
dfscott: posts the ante 25
tex53051: posts small blind 200
dfscott: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [5s 2d]
tex53051: raises 120 to 520 and is all-in
dfscott: folds
tex53051 collected 850 from pot
tex53051: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 850 | Rake 0
Seat 1: tex53051 (button) (small blind) collected (850)
Seat 4: dfscott (big blind) folded before Flop



PokerStars Game #1681106650: Tournament #7843513, Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2005/05/11 - 22:43:27 (ET)
Table '7843513 1' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: tex53051 (970 in chips)
Seat 4: dfscott (12530 in chips)
tex53051: posts the ante 25
dfscott: posts the ante 25
dfscott: posts small blind 200
tex53051: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [Jh Th]
dfscott: raises 2400 to 2800
tex53051: calls 545 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [Jd 3h 5d]
*** TURN *** [Jd 3h 5d] [4c]
*** RIVER *** [Jd 3h 5d 4c] [Qh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
tex53051: shows [6s 2h] (a straight, Deuce to Six)
dfscott: shows [Jh Th] (a pair of Jacks)
tex53051 collected 1940 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1940 | Rake 0
Board [Jd 3h 5d 4c Qh]
Seat 1: tex53051 (big blind) showed [6s 2h] and won (1940) with a straight, Deuce to Six
Seat 4: dfscott (button) (small blind) showed [Jh Th] and lost with a pair of Jacks



PokerStars Game #1681110952: Tournament #7843513, Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2005/05/11 - 22:44:00 (ET)
Table '7843513 1' Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: tex53051 (1940 in chips)
Seat 4: dfscott (11560 in chips)
tex53051: posts the ante 25
dfscott: posts the ante 25
tex53051: posts small blind 200
dfscott: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [Tc Js]
tex53051: raises 1515 to 1915 and is all-in
dfscott: calls 1515
*** FLOP *** [3s 6c As]
*** TURN *** [3s 6c As] [9d]
*** RIVER *** [3s 6c As 9d] [4d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
dfscott: shows [Tc Js] (high card Ace)
tex53051: shows [4c 5h] (a pair of Fours)
tex53051 collected 3880 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3880 | Rake 0
Board [3s 6c As 9d 4d]
Seat 1: tex53051 (button) (small blind) showed [4c 5h] and won (3880) with a pair of Fours
Seat 4: dfscott (big blind) showed [Tc Js] and lost with high card Ace



PokerStars Game #1681115556: Tournament #7843513, Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2005/05/11 - 22:44:35 (ET)
Table '7843513 1' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: tex53051 (3880 in chips)
Seat 4: dfscott (9620 in chips)
tex53051: posts the ante 25
dfscott: posts the ante 25
dfscott: posts small blind 200
tex53051: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [2s 8s]
dfscott: folds
tex53051 collected 450 from pot
tex53051: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 450 | Rake 0
Seat 1: tex53051 (big blind) collected (450)
Seat 4: dfscott (button) (small blind) folded before Flop



PokerStars Game #1681117768: Tournament #7843513, Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2005/05/11 - 22:44:52 (ET)
Table '7843513 1' Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: tex53051 (4105 in chips)
Seat 4: dfscott (9395 in chips)
tex53051: posts the ante 25
dfscott: posts the ante 25
tex53051: posts small blind 200
dfscott: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [9d 7s]
tex53051: folds
dfscott collected 450 from pot
dfscott: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 450 | Rake 0
Seat 1: tex53051 (button) (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: dfscott (big blind) collected (450)



PokerStars Game #1681119938: Tournament #7843513, Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2005/05/11 - 22:45:08 (ET)
Table '7843513 1' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: tex53051 (3880 in chips)
Seat 4: dfscott (9620 in chips)
tex53051: posts the ante 25
dfscott: posts the ante 25
dfscott: posts small blind 200
tex53051: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [Qh 5s]
dfscott: folds
tex53051 collected 450 from pot
tex53051: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 450 | Rake 0
Seat 1: tex53051 (big blind) collected (450)
Seat 4: dfscott (button) (small blind) folded before Flop



PokerStars Game #1681122252: Tournament #7843513, Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2005/05/11 - 22:45:26 (ET)
Table '7843513 1' Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: tex53051 (4105 in chips)
Seat 4: dfscott (9395 in chips)
tex53051: posts the ante 25
dfscott: posts the ante 25
tex53051: posts small blind 200
dfscott: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [Qd Qh]
tex53051: folds
dfscott collected 450 from pot
dfscott: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 450 | Rake 0
Seat 1: tex53051 (button) (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: dfscott (big blind) collected (450)



PokerStars Game #1681123505: Tournament #7843513, Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2005/05/11 - 22:45:36 (ET)
Table '7843513 1' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: tex53051 (3880 in chips)
Seat 4: dfscott (9620 in chips)
tex53051: posts the ante 25
dfscott: posts the ante 25
dfscott: posts small blind 200
tex53051: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [5c 5s]
dfscott: raises 6400 to 6800
tex53051: folds
dfscott collected 850 from pot
dfscott: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 850 | Rake 0
Seat 1: tex53051 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: dfscott (button) (small blind) collected (850)



PokerStars Game #1681126263: Tournament #7843513, Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2005/05/11 - 22:45:56 (ET)
Table '7843513 1' Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: tex53051 (3455 in chips)
Seat 4: dfscott (10045 in chips)
tex53051: posts the ante 25
dfscott: posts the ante 25
tex53051: posts small blind 200
dfscott: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [8h 4d]
tex53051: raises 3030 to 3430 and is all-in
dfscott: folds
tex53051 collected 850 from pot
tex53051: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 850 | Rake 0
Seat 1: tex53051 (button) (small blind) collected (850)
Seat 4: dfscott (big blind) folded before Flop



PokerStars Game #1681127862: Tournament #7843513, Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2005/05/11 - 22:46:09 (ET)
Table '7843513 1' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: tex53051 (3880 in chips)
Seat 4: dfscott (9620 in chips)
tex53051: posts the ante 25
dfscott: posts the ante 25
dfscott: posts small blind 200
tex53051: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [4s 6c]
dfscott: folds
tex53051 collected 450 from pot
tex53051: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 450 | Rake 0
Seat 1: tex53051 (big blind) collected (450)
Seat 4: dfscott (button) (small blind) folded before Flop



PokerStars Game #1681129779: Tournament #7843513, Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2005/05/11 - 22:46:23 (ET)
Table '7843513 1' Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: tex53051 (4105 in chips)
Seat 4: dfscott (9395 in chips)
tex53051: posts the ante 25
dfscott: posts the ante 25
tex53051: posts small blind 200
dfscott: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [Ks Kc]
tex53051: folds
dfscott collected 450 from pot
dfscott: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 450 | Rake 0
Seat 1: tex53051 (button) (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: dfscott (big blind) collected (450)



PokerStars Game #1681131354: Tournament #7843513, Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2005/05/11 - 22:46:35 (ET)
Table '7843513 1' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: tex53051 (3880 in chips)
Seat 4: dfscott (9620 in chips)
tex53051: posts the ante 25
dfscott: posts the ante 25
dfscott: posts small blind 200
tex53051: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [7s Jc]
dfscott: folds
tex53051 collected 450 from pot
tex53051: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 450 | Rake 0
Seat 1: tex53051 (big blind) collected (450)
Seat 4: dfscott (button) (small blind) folded before Flop



PokerStars Game #1681133906: Tournament #7843513, Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2005/05/11 - 22:46:54 (ET)
Table '7843513 1' Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: tex53051 (4105 in chips)
Seat 4: dfscott (9395 in chips)
tex53051: posts the ante 25
dfscott: posts the ante 25
tex53051: posts small blind 200
dfscott: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [4s Jd]
tex53051: raises 3680 to 4080 and is all-in
dfscott: folds
tex53051 collected 850 from pot
tex53051: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 850 | Rake 0
Seat 1: tex53051 (button) (small blind) collected (850)
Seat 4: dfscott (big blind) folded before Flop



PokerStars Game #1681135793: Tournament #7843513, Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2005/05/11 - 22:47:07 (ET)
Table '7843513 1' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: tex53051 (4530 in chips)
Seat 4: dfscott (8970 in chips)
tex53051: posts the ante 25
dfscott: posts the ante 25
dfscott: posts small blind 200
tex53051: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [3s 5s]
dfscott: folds
tex53051 collected 450 from pot
tex53051: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 450 | Rake 0
Seat 1: tex53051 (big blind) collected (450)
Seat 4: dfscott (button) (small blind) folded before Flop



PokerStars Game #1681137229: Tournament #7843513, Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2005/05/11 - 22:47:18 (ET)
Table '7843513 1' Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: tex53051 (4755 in chips)
Seat 4: dfscott (8745 in chips)
tex53051: posts the ante 25
dfscott: posts the ante 25
tex53051: posts small blind 200
dfscott: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [2s Ad]
tex53051: calls 200
dfscott: raises 1600 to 2000
tex53051: folds
dfscott collected 850 from pot
dfscott: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 850 | Rake 0
Seat 1: tex53051 (button) (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: dfscott (big blind) collected (850)



PokerStars Game #1681141206: Tournament #7843513, Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2005/05/11 - 22:47:48 (ET)
Table '7843513 1' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: tex53051 (4330 in chips)
Seat 4: dfscott (9170 in chips)
tex53051: posts the ante 25
dfscott: posts the ante 25
dfscott: posts small blind 200
tex53051: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [5s Jh]
dfscott: folds
tex53051 collected 450 from pot
tex53051: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 450 | Rake 0
Seat 1: tex53051 (big blind) collected (450)
Seat 4: dfscott (button) (small blind) folded before Flop



PokerStars Game #1681143661: Tournament #7843513, Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (300/600) - 2005/05/11 - 22:48:07 (ET)
Table '7843513 1' Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: tex53051 (4555 in chips)
Seat 4: dfscott (8945 in chips)
tex53051: posts the ante 50
dfscott: posts the ante 50
tex53051: posts small blind 300
dfscott: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [Qd 3d]
tex53051: raises 600 to 1200
dfscott: folds
tex53051 collected 1300 from pot
tex53051: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1300 | Rake 0
Seat 1: tex53051 (button) (small blind) collected (1300)
Seat 4: dfscott (big blind) folded before Flop



PokerStars Game #1681146376: Tournament #7843513, Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (300/600) - 2005/05/11 - 22:48:27 (ET)
Table '7843513 1' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: tex53051 (5205 in chips)
Seat 4: dfscott (8295 in chips)
tex53051: posts the ante 50
dfscott: posts the ante 50
dfscott: posts small blind 300
tex53051: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [2h Qh]
dfscott: raises 5400 to 6000
tex53051: calls 4555 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [8c 9c 3h]
*** TURN *** [8c 9c 3h] [9d]
*** RIVER *** [8c 9c 3h 9d] [4c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
tex53051: shows [Js Qc] (a pair of Nines)
dfscott: shows [2h Qh] (a pair of Nines - lower kicker)
tex53051 collected 10410 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 10410 | Rake 0
Board [8c 9c 3h 9d 4c]
Seat 1: tex53051 (big blind) showed [Js Qc] and won (10410) with a pair of Nines
Seat 4: dfscott (button) (small blind) showed [2h Qh] and lost with a pair of Nines



PokerStars Game #1681150471: Tournament #7843513, Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (300/600) - 2005/05/11 - 22:48:58 (ET)
Table '7843513 1' Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: tex53051 (10410 in chips)
Seat 4: dfscott (3090 in chips)
tex53051: posts the ante 50
dfscott: posts the ante 50
tex53051: posts small blind 300
dfscott: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [5d 8c]
tex53051: folds
dfscott collected 700 from pot
dfscott: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 700 | Rake 0
Seat 1: tex53051 (button) (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: dfscott (big blind) collected (700)



PokerStars Game #1681152224: Tournament #7843513, Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (300/600) - 2005/05/11 - 22:49:12 (ET)
Table '7843513 1' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: tex53051 (10060 in chips)
Seat 4: dfscott (3440 in chips)
tex53051: posts the ante 50
dfscott: posts the ante 50
dfscott: posts small blind 300
tex53051: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [2c Kd]
dfscott: raises 2790 to 3390 and is all-in
tex53051: folds
dfscott collected 1300 from pot
dfscott: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1300 | Rake 0
Seat 1: tex53051 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: dfscott (button) (small blind) collected (1300)



PokerStars Game #1681154947: Tournament #7843513, Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (300/600) - 2005/05/11 - 22:49:32 (ET)
Table '7843513 1' Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: tex53051 (9410 in chips)
Seat 4: dfscott (4090 in chips)
tex53051: posts the ante 50
dfscott: posts the ante 50
tex53051: posts small blind 300
dfscott: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [6s 3s]
tex53051: raises 8760 to 9360 and is all-in
dfscott: folds
tex53051 collected 1300 from pot
tex53051: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1300 | Rake 0
Seat 1: tex53051 (button) (small blind) collected (1300)
Seat 4: dfscott (big blind) folded before Flop



PokerStars Game #1681157015: Tournament #7843513, Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (300/600) - 2005/05/11 - 22:49:47 (ET)
Table '7843513 1' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: tex53051 (10060 in chips)
Seat 4: dfscott (3440 in chips)
tex53051: posts the ante 50
dfscott: posts the ante 50
dfscott: posts small blind 300
tex53051: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [9h 4s]
dfscott: folds
tex53051 collected 700 from pot
tex53051: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 700 | Rake 0
Seat 1: tex53051 (big blind) collected (700)
Seat 4: dfscott (button) (small blind) folded before Flop



PokerStars Game #1681159028: Tournament #7843513, Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (300/600) - 2005/05/11 - 22:50:02 (ET)
Table '7843513 1' Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: tex53051 (10410 in chips)
Seat 4: dfscott (3090 in chips)
tex53051: posts the ante 50
dfscott: posts the ante 50
tex53051: posts small blind 300
dfscott: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [9d 2c]
tex53051: raises 9760 to 10360 and is all-in
dfscott: folds
tex53051 collected 1300 from pot
tex53051: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1300 | Rake 0
Seat 1: tex53051 (button) (small blind) collected (1300)
Seat 4: dfscott (big blind) folded before Flop



PokerStars Game #1681160824: Tournament #7843513, Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (300/600) - 2005/05/11 - 22:50:16 (ET)
Table '7843513 1' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: tex53051 (11060 in chips)
Seat 4: dfscott (2440 in chips)
tex53051: posts the ante 50
dfscott: posts the ante 50
dfscott: posts small blind 300
tex53051: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [3h 5d]
dfscott: folds
tex53051 collected 700 from pot
tex53051: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 700 | Rake 0
Seat 1: tex53051 (big blind) collected (700)
Seat 4: dfscott (button) (small blind) folded before Flop



PokerStars Game #1681162553: Tournament #7843513, Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (300/600) - 2005/05/11 - 22:50:29 (ET)
Table '7843513 1' Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: tex53051 (11410 in chips)
Seat 4: dfscott (2090 in chips)
tex53051: posts the ante 50
dfscott: posts the ante 50
tex53051: posts small blind 300
dfscott: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [Qc Ts]
tex53051: folds
dfscott collected 700 from pot
dfscott: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 700 | Rake 0
Seat 1: tex53051 (button) (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: dfscott (big blind) collected (700)



PokerStars Game #1681164052: Tournament #7843513, Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (300/600) - 2005/05/11 - 22:50:39 (ET)
Table '7843513 1' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: tex53051 (11060 in chips)
Seat 4: dfscott (2440 in chips)
tex53051: posts the ante 50
dfscott: posts the ante 50
dfscott: posts small blind 300
tex53051: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [Kd Td]
dfscott: raises 1790 to 2390 and is all-in
tex53051: calls 1790
*** FLOP *** [Ah 5h Qs]
*** TURN *** [Ah 5h Qs] [7s]
*** RIVER *** [Ah 5h Qs 7s] [8d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
tex53051: shows [Jh Kc] (high card Ace)
dfscott: shows [Kd Td] (high card Ace - lower kicker)
tex53051 collected 4880 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4880 | Rake 0
Board [Ah 5h Qs 7s 8d]
Seat 1: tex53051 (big blind) showed [Jh Kc] and won (4880) with high card Ace
Seat 4: dfscott (button) (small blind) showed [Kd Td] and lost with high card Ace

[1C5]

Did you fold for 120 chips in an 800 pot?

PokerStars Game #1681104568: Tournament #7843513, Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2005/05/11 - 22:43:12 (ET)
Table '7843513 1' Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: tex53051 (545 in chips)
Seat 4: dfscott (12955 in chips)
tex53051: posts the ante 25
dfscott: posts the ante 25
tex53051: posts small blind 200
dfscott: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [5s 2d]
tex53051: raises 120 to 520 and is all-in
dfscott: folds
tex53051 collected 850 from pot
tex53051: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 850 | Rake 0
Seat 1: tex53051 (button) (small blind) collected (850)
Seat 4: dfscott (big blind) folded before Flop

[wuwei]

[ QUOTE ]

PokerStars Game #1681104568: Tournament #7843513, Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2005/05/11 - 22:43:12 (ET)
Table '7843513 1' Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: tex53051 (545 in chips)
Seat 4: dfscott (12955 in chips)
tex53051: posts the ante 25
dfscott: posts the ante 25
tex53051: posts small blind 200
dfscott: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [5s 2d]
tex53051: raises 120 to 520 and is all-in
dfscott: folds
tex53051 collected 850 from pot
tex53051: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 850 | Rake 0
Seat 1: tex53051 (button) (small blind) collected (850)
Seat 4: dfscott (big blind) folded before Flop


[/ QUOTE ]

dude... that's horrible.

Sometimes I hesitate to call getting solid odds with crap hands, because I don't want to give him that extra boost to an already crippled chip stack. But I'm talking about ~ 2:1 odds, not 7:1. You have to call this.

[lorinda]

[ QUOTE ]
Dealt to dfscott [5s 2d]
tex53051: raises 120 to 520 and is all-in
dfscott: folds
tex53051 collected 850 from pot
tex53051: doesn't show hand


[/ QUOTE ]

I can't read any further, I can't.

you MUST call here.

Play some $1 ring heads up or something, anything, in fact.
Find a cheap way to practise, maybe even play money.

I refuse to elaborate, have a think about why this is so hideous. (Work out chances of winning the tourney right now versus what it costs you if you lose)

Lori

[bones]

Not to pile on, but you have the odds to call holding just the 5 and the rules to hold 'em.

[curtains]

Yeah, df your main problem is you just dont understand the very basic math of holdem. Folding the 52o there is so so wrong, and its not complicated. The weakest hands win about 35%+ against random hands, you need to be able to quickly grasp that with so much money in the pot, its insane to fold for 120 chips. Don't worry about studying any hand charts for now but just learn simple poker logic and math.

[lorinda]

Are you aware that if you're playing heads up, the chips = real money?

If there is $20 between 1st and 2nd, and 8000 chips, each 400 chips is $1.

Coming from a ring game background, maybe that will make it a bit more obvious what to do.

Lori

[microbet]

If I have this right and you were SB K+S would say you could raise up to a little more than 400 over the SB that is already in. I don't think the K+S exactly addresses calling an allin.

Anyway, I didn't really look that carefully, but the HU example you posted after the one where K+S came up didn't seem bad. I think you were just looking at the chart and didn't do a check to make sure that it made sense.

[microbet]

[ QUOTE ]
PokerStars Game #1681119938: Tournament #7843513, Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2005/05/11 - 22:45:08 (ET)
Table '7843513 1' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: tex53051 (3880 in chips)
Seat 4: dfscott (9620 in chips)
tex53051: posts the ante 25
dfscott: posts the ante 25
dfscott: posts small blind 200
tex53051: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [Qh 5s]
dfscott: folds
tex53051 collected 450 from pot
tex53051: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 450 | Rake 0
Seat 1: tex53051 (big blind) collected (450)
Seat 4: dfscott (button) (small blind) folded before Flop

[/ QUOTE ]

I'd have played this hand and probably a couple of others you let go.

[dfscott]

[ QUOTE ]
Yeah, df your main problem is you just dont understand the very basic math of holdem. Folding the 52o there is so so wrong, and its not complicated. The weakest hands win about 35%+ against random hands, you need to be able to quickly grasp that with so much money in the pot, its insane to fold for 120 chips. Don't worry about studying any hand charts for now but just learn simple poker logic and math.

[/ QUOTE ]

Ok, I get it -- or rather, I don't (my math minor isn't paying off, I guess...)

I think my best hope is just to push every hand. I'm probably guaranteed to improve upon my 35% win rate when HU, which should continue to keep my ROI positive. I seem to get too confused with calculating this stuff real-time.

Thanks, everyone for the help, and I'll stop posting any more of these. Also, sorry I couldn't make better use of the advice, but I do appreciate you taking the time to give it. Maybe one day it'll sink in.

[microbet]

You should do one right and post it.

Pushing every hand isn't terrible if the blinds are high, but try just pushing from 50% -> 100% of hands, where 50% is when stacks are fairly deep for both players and 100% is when either is short, and slightly tighter calling standards. Unless you opponant is pretty much pushing every hand plan, make sure you are more aggressive.

Does that sound reasonable to everyone/anyone else?

[gumpzilla]

[ QUOTE ]

Ok, I get it -- or rather, I don't (my math minor isn't paying off, I guess...)

I think my best hope is just to push every hand. I'm probably guaranteed to improve upon my 35% win rate when HU, which should continue to keep my ROI positive. I seem to get too confused with calculating this stuff real-time.


[/ QUOTE ]

Don't be defeatist. Pushing every hand may (I don't think this is guaranteed) help you, but why not take the time to try and figure out a more flexible HU plan? Keep practicing and keep posting; it's what the forums are for.

I'll suggest an exercise. I have no idea if this will work or not, but I think it will probably be good and it will make for shorter, more readable posts. Every time you want to post one of these HU posts, review the hand history yourself first. Pick the three hands that you are least happy about. Try and articulate why you're unhappy about them, or what you could have done differently. Then post those three hands and see how the comments you get match up against your own thoughts on the subject. The most important thing is to learn roughly how to think about things, in my opinion. Having good thought processes will pay off much more than memorizing whether or not you should fold T4o to a push HU.

And, contrary to the impression you might get from the tenor of the responses, I don't think you're bothering anybody by posting this stuff. Keep it up; I find it vastly preferable to the stream of ROI posts.

[dfscott]

[ QUOTE ]
You should do one right and post it.

Pushing every hand isn't terrible if the blinds are high, but try just pushing from 50% -> 100% of hands, where 50% is when stacks are fairly deep for both players and 100% is when either is short, and slightly tighter calling standards. Unless you opponant is pretty much pushing every hand plan, make sure you are more aggressive.

[/ QUOTE ]

Been there.. done that. It usually ends up worse than normal. I guess the problem is my hand selection.

I also think that trying to do it "right" and failing, puts me on tilt worse than anything (e.g., I just went all-in on a OESD on level 2). If I just follow the AS rule of "admit that you have limitations," I think I'll be a happier and more profitable player, and maybe one day it'll all click for me.

Edit: sorry, mb, didn't mean to discount your suggestion out of hand. I do appreciate the advice.

[curtains]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Yeah, df your main problem is you just dont understand the very basic math of holdem. Folding the 52o there is so so wrong, and its not complicated. The weakest hands win about 35%+ against random hands, you need to be able to quickly grasp that with so much money in the pot, its insane to fold for 120 chips. Don't worry about studying any hand charts for now but just learn simple poker logic and math.

[/ QUOTE ]

Ok, I get it -- or rather, I don't (my math minor isn't paying off, I guess...)

I think my best hope is just to push every hand. I'm probably guaranteed to improve upon my 35% win rate when HU, which should continue to keep my ROI positive. I seem to get too confused with calculating this stuff real-time.

Thanks, everyone for the help, and I'll stop posting any more of these. Also, sorry I couldn't make better use of the advice, but I do appreciate you taking the time to give it. Maybe one day it'll sink in.

[/ QUOTE ]


Poker is not that easy, don't be so easily discouraged, otherwise you are going to need to find another game to play. This is the problem I have with the way some people learn to play poker. There are some situations that are so basic, but somehow people skip past them and get into debates about a lot more complex scenario's.

The first day I taught my sister to play poker it was aimed towards tournaments and sit and go's, and I actually started by teaching her how to play with extremely high blinds. I would give her 1000 chips on the button with 100-200 blinds, against fake opponents, and keep dealing her hands and asking her what to do. Then I'd change the stack sizes around and so on, and switch positions and etc.

Keep posting the 1 on 1 HH's, they shuold be useful after a while. The mistake in this one was so egregious that it was hard to look at the rest, but really don't give up this easily. You are getting a lot of advice that if followed should help your game. Also you've always seemed like a nice guy from your posts, so I'd like to see you learn how to win as much as possible.

One possibility that I also did with my sister, is to find a friend who is also serious about improving their headsup , high blind play. Meet up with them, and play freezeouts with blinds starting at 200-400 and moving up to 250-500 and so on, starting with 4000 chips each. For realism maybe start one match with 4000, and the next two one of you starts with 5000 vs 3000 and reverse it the following match.

Continue to do this over and over and talk about the results, calculate the math when you get allin or have tough calls to make and even write them down to post on here. If you work hard at this it shouldn't take too long before you play extremely well at this stage of the game, and gain an instinctive feel of what to do, meanwhile you get to learn in a lower pressure atmosphere.

[Scuba Chuck]

Why do you call this hand?

[ QUOTE ]
Dealt to dfscott [Tc Js]
tex53051: raises 1515 to 1915 and is all-in
dfscott: calls 1515

[/ QUOTE ]



In general, mostly bad luck. Villain folds into QQ and KK, and calls your pushes with better kickers. Check your luckometer, it must be in on the bad luck side. I thought your play here was fine.

Scuba
who won't pile on the one hand.

[lorinda]

You are getting a lot of advice that if followed should help your game. Also you've always seemed like a nice guy from your posts, so I'd like to see you learn how to win as much as possible.


Also, if you don't post these, there are going to be a whole hoarde of sick lurkers who don't have enough courage to post their own identical problems.

I know I was harsh earlier, but I didn't mean for you to stop posting them.... if I didn't want to read it, it's not like it wasn't labelled.

Lori

[curtains]

[ QUOTE ]
Why do you call this hand?

[ QUOTE ]
Dealt to dfscott [Tc Js]
tex53051: raises 1515 to 1915 and is all-in
dfscott: calls 1515

[/ QUOTE ]



In general, mostly bad luck. Villain folds into QQ and KK, and calls your pushes with better kickers. Check your luckometer, it must be in on the bad luck side. I thought your play here was fine.

[/ QUOTE ]


Calling here is clearly correct against an opponent who plays well (Not sure that this was the case here, but theoretically this is an easy call)

[Scuba Chuck]

[ QUOTE ]
Calling here is clearly correct against an opponent who plays well (Not sure that this was the case here, but theoretically this is an easy call)

[/ QUOTE ]

Why is that? I'm willing to learn something here.

I'd say generally, hero is a 45/55% dog here. Pot odds are 1.5:1, so hero needs to win here ~40% of the time for this to be correct? Hmmm, had not thought about this

[curtains]

Because you have to realize how many hands it's correct to push with as the SB (Probably any 2 or almost always over 75-80% of hands). You cannot allow your opponents to steal with this many hands, yet fold with something like JTo, otherwise you are being exploited.

Some opponent's of course won't steal with as much so it's not mandatory to call them, however it's important to know that against someone whos playing properly from the SB, this is a clear call.

[gumpzilla]

[ QUOTE ]

I'd say generally, hero is a 45/55% dog here.

[/ QUOTE ]

I'd say generally hero is a 55.248% favorite here against a good player.

[curtains]

Well one problem is that if your opponent is a good player, who knows they are also playing a good player, they probably shouldnt raise with the weakest hands here, because your fold equity is much lower than it should be to make these pushes correct.

Sorry I'm just talking in generalities and not mathematically, but the point is that most people are too tight in calling from the BB, which is why you can exploit them by pushing any 2 here. If they will call your allin with a hand like T8o, then it's going to be a lot less profitable to push with 42o here from the SB.

[gumpzilla]

[ QUOTE ]

Well one problem is that if your opponent is a good player, who knows they are also playing a good player, they probably shouldnt raise with the weakest hands here, because your fold equity is much lower than it should be to make these pushes correct.

[/ QUOTE ]

I agree with that thinking; however, any two is going to be closer to a correct range than a range where JTo is a 45% dog, in my opinion.

Also, this hand occurred on short stack's second SB of HU and he's pushed on them both; while this hardly constitutes a decent sample size, it's more than enough to convince me that JTo is a fine hand to be holding here.

[curtains]

I hear ya, Im just talking about from a pure theoretical perspective. Of course JTo is a call against the majority of opponents, Im saying that 52o is probably not a good push however against a healthy calling range from the BB. Actually it would be a good excersize to determine the proper pushing and calling ranges for both the SB and the BB. Maybe I'll do that assuming 2k for the SB and 200-400 blinds, discounting antes.

[gumpzilla]

[ QUOTE ]

proper pushing and calling ranges for both the SB and the BB.

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm curious how you determine these. They're pretty clearly connected. Are you doing full on minimax stuff here, i.e. choose a pushing range for SB, choose the optimal calling range for BB to minimize SB's EV in response to this, and then maximize the minimum EV? That seems complicated, but I don't know of a better way to attack it, offhand.

[curtains]

Probably shuoldn't be as difficult as it sounds....

[wuwei]

Keep posting, it's going to help and improving a few key problem areas can make your game substantially better.

Take a look at this thread. (http://archiveserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=944065&page=&view=&sb=5&o =&fpart=2&vc=1) I remember the thread because it's the first post I made in this forum. It's a lesson I took to heart early on, and my game is better for it. Anytime a good player like Jason says "this is part of what seperates good players from poor ones," I listen.

Then go poker stove 26o v. a random hand, which is what he's likely pushing here.

[gumpzilla]

Yeah, I think you're right and I'm being at least marginally braindead. (I just got back from the bar not too long ago.) I assume that what you're going to do is the following:

1) Determine what hands are + EV for SB to push face up. (this is what Karlsen-Sklansky is for, yes? I must confess I've really paid barely any attention to that)
2) Compile a pushing range for SB in this circumstance that consists of all of the hands that are +EV to push face up.
3) Now assemble a list of all calling hands for BB that are +EV against this range.

This will certainly produce pretty good ranges. Again, I haven't paid much attention to this stuff, so I might be asking a question which is very basic, but are these ranges truly optimal? Let's say BB is now on the range assembled by this fashion. I can work out what this range should be; is it possible for me to find hands that are +EV to push specifically against this range that are not +EV to push face up? I'm inclined to think so, but it's not obvious to me at the moment either way.

[dfscott]

I apologize for being so thin-skinned. I've spent enough time in ML and SS taking abusive criticism that I should've been able to handle the constructive criticism that was offered. I guess I was as mad at myself as anyone for not calling that 52o. I just had visions of villian easily having a dominating hand and him taking those chips on to a win. Of course, that happened anyway. Sorry for the pity party and thanks for being patient -- I really didn't deserve it.

Ok, on to business. Another HU battle I just played - I feel a bit better about this one. I'll put my thoughts at the bottom in case people want to run it through the replayer:

PokerStars Game #1682043416: Tournament #7847824, Hold'em No Limit - Level X (400/800) - 2005/05/12 - 00:52:59 (ET)
Table '7847824 1' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 4: theradman123 (10520 in chips)
Seat 6: dfscott (2980 in chips)
theradman123: posts the ante 50
dfscott: posts the ante 50
theradman123: posts small blind 400
dfscott: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [Th 2d]
theradman123: folds
dfscott collected 900 from pot
dfscott: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 900 | Rake 0
Seat 4: theradman123 (button) (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: dfscott (big blind) collected (900)



PokerStars Game #1682044728: Tournament #7847824, Hold'em No Limit - Level X (400/800) - 2005/05/12 - 00:53:13 (ET)
Table '7847824 1' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 4: theradman123 (10070 in chips)
Seat 6: dfscott (3430 in chips)
theradman123: posts the ante 50
dfscott: posts the ante 50
dfscott: posts small blind 400
theradman123: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [8d 5h]
dfscott: folds
theradman123 collected 900 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 900 | Rake 0
Seat 4: theradman123 (big blind) collected (900)
Seat 6: dfscott (button) (small blind) folded before Flop



PokerStars Game #1682046233: Tournament #7847824, Hold'em No Limit - Level X (400/800) - 2005/05/12 - 00:53:28 (ET)
Table '7847824 1' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 4: theradman123 (10520 in chips)
Seat 6: dfscott (2980 in chips)
theradman123: posts the ante 50
dfscott: posts the ante 50
theradman123: posts small blind 400
dfscott: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [7s Qd]
theradman123: calls 400
dfscott: checks
*** FLOP *** [Kh 9s 9d]
dfscott: checks
theradman123: bets 800
dfscott: folds
theradman123 collected 1700 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1700 | Rake 0
Board [Kh 9s 9d]
Seat 4: theradman123 (button) (small blind) collected (1700)
Seat 6: dfscott (big blind) folded on the Flop



PokerStars Game #1682048661: Tournament #7847824, Hold'em No Limit - Level X (400/800) - 2005/05/12 - 00:53:53 (ET)
Table '7847824 1' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 4: theradman123 (11370 in chips)
Seat 6: dfscott (2130 in chips)
theradman123: posts the ante 50
dfscott: posts the ante 50
dfscott: posts small blind 400
theradman123: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [3h 5s]
dfscott: folds
theradman123 collected 900 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 900 | Rake 0
Seat 4: theradman123 (big blind) collected (900)
Seat 6: dfscott (button) (small blind) folded before Flop



PokerStars Game #1682050029: Tournament #7847824, Hold'em No Limit - Level X (400/800) - 2005/05/12 - 00:54:07 (ET)
Table '7847824 1' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 4: theradman123 (11820 in chips)
Seat 6: dfscott (1680 in chips)
theradman123: posts the ante 50
dfscott: posts the ante 50
theradman123: posts small blind 400
dfscott: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [3c 9h]
theradman123: folds
dfscott collected 900 from pot
dfscott: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 900 | Rake 0
Seat 4: theradman123 (button) (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: dfscott (big blind) collected (900)



PokerStars Game #1682051115: Tournament #7847824, Hold'em No Limit - Level X (400/800) - 2005/05/12 - 00:54:18 (ET)
Table '7847824 1' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 4: theradman123 (11370 in chips)
Seat 6: dfscott (2130 in chips)
theradman123: posts the ante 50
dfscott: posts the ante 50
dfscott: posts small blind 400
theradman123: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [Jc 8d]
dfscott: raises 1280 to 2080 and is all-in
theradman123: calls 1280
*** FLOP *** [Kh Qc Ad]
*** TURN *** [Kh Qc Ad] [Kc]
*** RIVER *** [Kh Qc Ad Kc] [Jh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
theradman123: shows [6d 6c] (two pair, Kings and Sixes)
dfscott: shows [Jc 8d] (two pair, Kings and Jacks)
theradman123 said, "nice"
dfscott collected 4260 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4260 | Rake 0
Board [Kh Qc Ad Kc Jh]
Seat 4: theradman123 (big blind) showed [6d 6c] and lost with two pair, Kings and Sixes
Seat 6: dfscott (button) (small blind) showed [Jc 8d] and won (4260) with two pair, Kings and Jacks



PokerStars Game #1682054419: Tournament #7847824, Hold'em No Limit - Level X (400/800) - 2005/05/12 - 00:54:52 (ET)
Table '7847824 1' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 4: theradman123 (9240 in chips)
Seat 6: dfscott (4260 in chips)
theradman123: posts the ante 50
dfscott: posts the ante 50
theradman123: posts small blind 400
dfscott: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [6c 2d]
theradman123: calls 400
dfscott: checks
*** FLOP *** [8c 2s 5h]
dfscott: bets 1600
theradman123: calls 1600
*** TURN *** [8c 2s 5h] [8h]
dfscott: bets 1810 and is all-in
theradman123: folds
dfscott collected 4900 from pot
dfscott: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4900 | Rake 0
Board [8c 2s 5h 8h]
Seat 4: theradman123 (button) (small blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 6: dfscott (big blind) collected (4900)



PokerStars Game #1682057715: Tournament #7847824, Hold'em No Limit - Level X (400/800) - 2005/05/12 - 00:55:26 (ET)
Table '7847824 1' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 4: theradman123 (6790 in chips)
Seat 6: dfscott (6710 in chips)
theradman123: posts the ante 50
dfscott: posts the ante 50
dfscott: posts small blind 400
theradman123: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [3d Kh]
dfscott: raises 5860 to 6660 and is all-in
theradman123: folds
dfscott collected 1700 from pot
dfscott: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1700 | Rake 0
Seat 4: theradman123 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: dfscott (button) (small blind) collected (1700)



PokerStars Game #1682059340: Tournament #7847824, Hold'em No Limit - Level X (400/800) - 2005/05/12 - 00:55:43 (ET)
Table '7847824 1' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 4: theradman123 (5940 in chips)
Seat 6: dfscott (7560 in chips)
theradman123: posts the ante 50
dfscott: posts the ante 50
theradman123: posts small blind 400
dfscott: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [Qh 8h]
theradman123: folds
dfscott collected 900 from pot
dfscott: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 900 | Rake 0
Seat 4: theradman123 (button) (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: dfscott (big blind) collected (900)



PokerStars Game #1682060404: Tournament #7847824, Hold'em No Limit - Level X (400/800) - 2005/05/12 - 00:55:54 (ET)
Table '7847824 1' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 4: theradman123 (5490 in chips)
Seat 6: dfscott (8010 in chips)
theradman123: posts the ante 50
dfscott: posts the ante 50
dfscott: posts small blind 400
theradman123: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [7c 3d]
dfscott: folds
theradman123 collected 900 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 900 | Rake 0
Seat 4: theradman123 (big blind) collected (900)
Seat 6: dfscott (button) (small blind) folded before Flop



PokerStars Game #1682061647: Tournament #7847824, Hold'em No Limit - Level X (400/800) - 2005/05/12 - 00:56:07 (ET)
Table '7847824 1' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 4: theradman123 (5940 in chips)
Seat 6: dfscott (7560 in chips)
theradman123: posts the ante 50
dfscott: posts the ante 50
theradman123: posts small blind 400
dfscott: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [Qc 7s]
theradman123: calls 400
dfscott: checks
*** FLOP *** [Ad 8s 6c]
dfscott: checks
theradman123: bets 800
dfscott: folds
theradman123 collected 1700 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1700 | Rake 0
Board [Ad 8s 6c]
Seat 4: theradman123 (button) (small blind) collected (1700)
Seat 6: dfscott (big blind) folded on the Flop



PokerStars Game #1682063632: Tournament #7847824, Hold'em No Limit - Level X (400/800) - 2005/05/12 - 00:56:27 (ET)
Table '7847824 1' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 4: theradman123 (6790 in chips)
Seat 6: dfscott (6710 in chips)
theradman123: posts the ante 50
dfscott: posts the ante 50
dfscott: posts small blind 400
theradman123: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [Qh 7h]
dfscott: raises 5860 to 6660 and is all-in
theradman123: folds
dfscott collected 1700 from pot
dfscott: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1700 | Rake 0
Seat 4: theradman123 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: dfscott (button) (small blind) collected (1700)



PokerStars Game #1682065673: Tournament #7847824, Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (600/1200) - 2005/05/12 - 00:56:48 (ET)
Table '7847824 1' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 4: theradman123 (5940 in chips)
Seat 6: dfscott (7560 in chips)
theradman123: posts the ante 75
dfscott: posts the ante 75
theradman123: posts small blind 600
dfscott: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [7c 3h]
theradman123: calls 600
dfscott: checks
*** FLOP *** [Qc 2d Ah]
dfscott: checks
theradman123: checks
*** TURN *** [Qc 2d Ah] [6h]
dfscott: checks
theradman123: checks
*** RIVER *** [Qc 2d Ah 6h] [Jc]
dfscott: checks
theradman123: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
dfscott: shows [7c 3h] (high card Ace)
theradman123: shows [9s Kd] (high card Ace - King kicker)
theradman123 collected 2550 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2550 | Rake 0
Board [Qc 2d Ah 6h Jc]
Seat 4: theradman123 (button) (small blind) showed [9s Kd] and won (2550) with high card Ace
Seat 6: dfscott (big blind) showed [7c 3h] and lost with high card Ace



PokerStars Game #1682068132: Tournament #7847824, Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (600/1200) - 2005/05/12 - 00:57:14 (ET)
Table '7847824 1' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 4: theradman123 (7215 in chips)
Seat 6: dfscott (6285 in chips)
theradman123: posts the ante 75
dfscott: posts the ante 75
dfscott: posts small blind 600
theradman123: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [3c Ts]
dfscott: folds
theradman123 collected 1350 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1350 | Rake 0
Seat 4: theradman123 (big blind) collected (1350)
Seat 6: dfscott (button) (small blind) folded before Flop



PokerStars Game #1682069996: Tournament #7847824, Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (600/1200) - 2005/05/12 - 00:57:33 (ET)
Table '7847824 1' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 4: theradman123 (7890 in chips)
Seat 6: dfscott (5610 in chips)
theradman123: posts the ante 75
dfscott: posts the ante 75
theradman123: posts small blind 600
dfscott: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [5h 3s]
theradman123: calls 600
dfscott: checks
*** FLOP *** [Kd 6h As]
dfscott: checks
theradman123: checks
*** TURN *** [Kd 6h As] [Jh]
dfscott: bets 1200
theradman123: calls 1200
*** RIVER *** [Kd 6h As Jh] [Jd]
dfscott: checks
theradman123: bets 1200
dfscott: folds
theradman123 collected 4950 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4950 | Rake 0
Board [Kd 6h As Jh Jd]
Seat 4: theradman123 (button) (small blind) collected (4950)
Seat 6: dfscott (big blind) folded on the River



PokerStars Game #1682072912: Tournament #7847824, Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (600/1200) - 2005/05/12 - 00:58:04 (ET)
Table '7847824 1' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 4: theradman123 (10365 in chips)
Seat 6: dfscott (3135 in chips)
theradman123: posts the ante 75
dfscott: posts the ante 75
dfscott: posts small blind 600
theradman123: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [6c Jh]
dfscott: raises 1860 to 3060 and is all-in
theradman123: folds
dfscott collected 2550 from pot
dfscott: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2550 | Rake 0
Seat 4: theradman123 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: dfscott (button) (small blind) collected (2550)



PokerStars Game #1682074619: Tournament #7847824, Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (600/1200) - 2005/05/12 - 00:58:22 (ET)
Table '7847824 1' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 4: theradman123 (9090 in chips)
Seat 6: dfscott (4410 in chips)
theradman123: posts the ante 75
dfscott: posts the ante 75
theradman123: posts small blind 600
dfscott: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [5h Td]
theradman123: calls 600
dfscott: checks
*** FLOP *** [2s 5c 5d]
dfscott: bets 2400
theradman123: folds
dfscott collected 2550 from pot
dfscott: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2550 | Rake 0
Board [2s 5c 5d]
Seat 4: theradman123 (button) (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: dfscott (big blind) collected (2550)



PokerStars Game #1682077810: Tournament #7847824, Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (600/1200) - 2005/05/12 - 00:58:55 (ET)
Table '7847824 1' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 4: theradman123 (7815 in chips)
Seat 6: dfscott (5685 in chips)
theradman123: posts the ante 75
dfscott: posts the ante 75
dfscott: posts small blind 600
theradman123: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [5s 4c]
dfscott: folds
theradman123 collected 1350 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1350 | Rake 0
Seat 4: theradman123 (big blind) collected (1350)
Seat 6: dfscott (button) (small blind) folded before Flop



PokerStars Game #1682079268: Tournament #7847824, Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (600/1200) - 2005/05/12 - 00:59:10 (ET)
Table '7847824 1' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 4: theradman123 (8490 in chips)
Seat 6: dfscott (5010 in chips)
theradman123: posts the ante 75
dfscott: posts the ante 75
theradman123: posts small blind 600
dfscott: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [7c 9s]
theradman123: raises 1200 to 2400
dfscott: folds
theradman123 collected 2550 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2550 | Rake 0
Seat 4: theradman123 (button) (small blind) collected (2550)
Seat 6: dfscott (big blind) folded before Flop



PokerStars Game #1682080633: Tournament #7847824, Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (600/1200) - 2005/05/12 - 00:59:25 (ET)
Table '7847824 1' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 4: theradman123 (9765 in chips)
Seat 6: dfscott (3735 in chips)
theradman123: posts the ante 75
dfscott: posts the ante 75
dfscott: posts small blind 600
theradman123: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [Qh Qs]
dfscott: raises 2460 to 3660 and is all-in
theradman123: folds
dfscott collected 2550 from pot
dfscott: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2550 | Rake 0
Seat 4: theradman123 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: dfscott (button) (small blind) collected (2550)



PokerStars Game #1682082203: Tournament #7847824, Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (600/1200) - 2005/05/12 - 00:59:42 (ET)
Table '7847824 1' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 4: theradman123 (8490 in chips)
Seat 6: dfscott (5010 in chips)
theradman123: posts the ante 75
dfscott: posts the ante 75
theradman123: posts small blind 600
dfscott: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [8d 4d]
theradman123: folds
dfscott collected 1350 from pot
dfscott: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1350 | Rake 0
Seat 4: theradman123 (button) (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: dfscott (big blind) collected (1350)



PokerStars Game #1682083167: Tournament #7847824, Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (600/1200) - 2005/05/12 - 00:59:52 (ET)
Table '7847824 1' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 4: theradman123 (7815 in chips)
Seat 6: dfscott (5685 in chips)
theradman123: posts the ante 75
dfscott: posts the ante 75
dfscott: posts small blind 600
theradman123: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [7s 9d]
dfscott: raises 4410 to 5610 and is all-in
theradman123: calls 4410
*** FLOP *** [4s 5s 8d]
*** TURN *** [4s 5s 8d] [3h]
*** RIVER *** [4s 5s 8d 3h] [2s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
theradman123: shows [Kc Ah] (a straight, Ace to Five)
dfscott: shows [7s 9d] (high card Nine)
theradman123 collected 11370 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 11370 | Rake 0
Board [4s 5s 8d 3h 2s]
Seat 4: theradman123 (big blind) showed [Kc Ah] and won (11370) with a straight, Ace to Five
Seat 6: dfscott (button) (small blind) showed [7s 9d] and lost with high card Nine

Comments:
- The early 85o fold I think is borderline -- with 3BB, I'm probably pushing. I felt the same way about the 53o two hands later. Am I too far off-base here?

- I'm interested in thoughts about the 62o hand. I got part of the flop, so I felt a bet was worth it. To me his call meant he either had a monster or was still drawing. I didn't expect that the 8 helped him, and my push was sort of a semi-bluff, representing the 8. Is this FPS?

- the 73 hand that was checked down. Should I take a stab somewhere since I know I'm not going to win it at showdown? I ended up doing it with the 53o hand later, but it didn't work out.

- What about the final hand? Too crazy? 97o really is a decent HU hand with these blinds, right?

[gumpzilla]

I read a few of these hands. You don't need to push everything, but I think you can probably afford to push a little more, particularly once you get the chiplead. Your opponent will probably be folding a lot.

I only read a few of the hands, but here's one thing that I saw:

[ QUOTE ]

PokerStars Game #1682046233: Tournament #7847824, Hold'em No Limit - Level X (400/800) - 2005/05/12 - 00:53:28 (ET)
Table '7847824 1' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 4: theradman123 (10520 in chips)
Seat 6: dfscott (2980 in chips)
theradman123: posts the ante 50
dfscott: posts the ante 50
theradman123: posts small blind 400
dfscott: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [7s Qd]
theradman123: calls 400
dfscott: checks


[/ QUOTE ]

Scanning, it looks like he limps into you again later. Don't let him do this as a matter of course.

Unless this play is a huge aberration from him from a normal pattern of raising every hand, I'm coming over the top here PF. Q7o is not a terrible hand headsup, and there's a very good chance he's trying to limp into you with garbage. (Yes, he might be trying to trap you, but this isn't always a trap.) With 2.5 BBs behind, I think you'll have some (though not a ton) of folding equity, and I don't think it's the worst case scenario if you get called with this hand. But, more importantly, it strongly discourages him from limping into your BB and increases the likelihood that he'll fold to your BB down the road, which is lovely.

I don't think this is always an appropriate play, but here I'm doing it.

[Scuba Chuck]

[ QUOTE ]
PokerStars Game #1682054419: Tournament #7847824, Hold'em No Limit - Level X (400/800) - 2005/05/12 - 00:54:52 (ET)
Table '7847824 1' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 4: theradman123 (9240 in chips)
Seat 6: dfscott (4260 in chips)
theradman123: posts the ante 50
dfscott: posts the ante 50
theradman123: posts small blind 400
dfscott: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [6c 2d]
theradman123: calls 400
dfscott: checks
*** FLOP *** [8c 2s 5h]
dfscott: bets 1600
theradman123: calls 1600
*** TURN *** [8c 2s 5h] [8h]
dfscott: bets 1810 and is all-in
theradman123: folds
dfscott collected 4900 from pot
dfscott: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4900 | Rake 0
Board [8c 2s 5h 8h]
Seat 4: theradman123 (button) (small blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 6: dfscott (big blind) collected (4900)

[/ QUOTE ]

That's a great move. I missed it the first time I read it. A call? What a great sign.

[ QUOTE ]
PokerStars Game #1682074619: Tournament #7847824, Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (600/1200) - 2005/05/12 - 00:58:22 (ET)
Table '7847824 1' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 4: theradman123 (9090 in chips)
Seat 6: dfscott (4410 in chips)
theradman123: posts the ante 75
dfscott: posts the ante 75
theradman123: posts small blind 600
dfscott: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [5h Td]
theradman123: calls 600
dfscott: checks
*** FLOP *** [2s 5c 5d]
dfscott: bets 2400
theradman123: folds
dfscott collected 2550 from pot
dfscott: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2550 | Rake 0
Board [2s 5c 5d]
Seat 4: theradman123 (button) (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: dfscott (big blind) collected (2550)

[/ QUOTE ]

Slow down here a little cowboy. You might be missing some extra chips here. I'm positive I'd check here.

[ QUOTE ]
PokerStars Game #1682080633: Tournament #7847824, Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (600/1200) - 2005/05/12 - 00:59:25 (ET)
Table '7847824 1' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 4: theradman123 (9765 in chips)
Seat 6: dfscott (3735 in chips)
theradman123: posts the ante 75
dfscott: posts the ante 75
dfscott: posts small blind 600
theradman123: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [Qh Qs]
dfscott: raises 2460 to 3660 and is all-in
theradman123: folds
dfscott collected 2550 from pot
dfscott: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2550 | Rake 0
Seat 4: theradman123 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: dfscott (button) (small blind) collected (2550)

[/ QUOTE ]

In general, I like the push. But here's an opportunity for a change of pace, and see how he reacts.

[ QUOTE ]
Table '7847824 1' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 4: theradman123 (7815 in chips)
Seat 6: dfscott (5685 in chips)
theradman123: posts the ante 75
dfscott: posts the ante 75
dfscott: posts small blind 600
theradman123: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [7s 9d]
dfscott: raises 4410 to 5610 and is all-in

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm starting to think the HU play is mentally taxing for you. This play seems like you've just given up. This is precisely the reason I like the QQ hand for a change of pace. If you had mini-raised that QQ hand, and villain folded, it would have been more interesting to mini-raise this hand vs. allin. Otherwise, muck.

[lorinda]

I didn't replay, and I'm only running at 75% brain power, so I skimmed it a little, but it looked okay.

I may have pushed the 35 that you thought about, but I don' think folding is particuarly bad. I'd guess it's close enough that it depends on your image.

I did spot one hand though that you might wish to consider....

[ QUOTE ]
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [5h Td]
theradman123: calls 600
dfscott: checks
*** FLOP *** [2s 5c 5d]
dfscott: bets 2400
theradman123: folds
dfscott collected 2550 from pot
dfscott: doesn't show hand


[/ QUOTE ]

With you being short stacked, I feel you could gamble here and set the trap.
Should he be able to outdraw you, he'll probably bet at this anyway, but the point is that he'll probably bet with hands that are almost dead too.

I know you've had a rough day in here, but remember that you're still playing poker, even though 90% of it is push/fold.

Lori

[gumpzilla]

[ QUOTE ]
Seat 4: theradman123 (9090 in chips)
Seat 6: dfscott (4410 in chips)
theradman123: posts the ante 75
dfscott: posts the ante 75
theradman123: posts small blind 600
dfscott: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [5h Td]
theradman123: calls 600
dfscott: checks
*** FLOP *** [2s 5c 5d]
dfscott: bets 2400
theradman123: folds


[/ QUOTE ]

Just saw this hand, and I don't like it very much. Here's why: Your opponent, from what I've seen, has been betting into you on the flop after limping to your SB. If ever there was a flop to let that happen, it's this one. You have a monstrous hand with no real draws to come and get you. Let him take charge.

But, instead, you bet all but a few hundred of your chips. This bet looks like it really, really wants a call, and thus you're highly unlikely to get one. Putting the extra few hundred chips in will actually increase your chances of getting called in this case; this is debatable but I think it's true.

[Scuba Chuck]

I like Lorinda's verbiage best. The one thing you're not doing HU is setting traps. I think the T5 hand is one, and I think there are trap opportunities with the QQ hand.

Allin all, you'd like to get your opponenets chips in the middle on both of these hands, no matter how it happens. Even if you make a mistake, so be it. Trapping is what is going to make HU sooooo much easier. Oh and never give up. Stay mentally tough.

Scuba

[dfscott]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Table '7847824 1' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 4: theradman123 (7815 in chips)
Seat 6: dfscott (5685 in chips)
theradman123: posts the ante 75
dfscott: posts the ante 75
dfscott: posts small blind 600
theradman123: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [7s 9d]
dfscott: raises 4410 to 5610 and is all-in

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm starting to think the HU play is mentally taxing for you. This play seems like you've just given up. This is precisely the reason I like the QQ hand for a change of pace. If you had mini-raised that QQ hand, and villain folded, it would have been more interesting to mini-raise this hand vs. allin. Otherwise, muck.

[/ QUOTE ]

Maybe curtains is right and I should dump the chart because I think it's confusing me. If I'm reading the chart right, 97o ranks 8.57 * SB, or 4.285 * BB. With blinds at 1200, that's a stack size of 5142. I'm about 1/2 BB from that, but considing the t150 in antes, plus the fact that I'm *not* turning my cards face up, I thought this was worth pushing.

However, maybe I should wait for a better edge here.

[dfscott]

[ QUOTE ]
I didn't replay, and I'm only running at 75% brain power, so I skimmed it a little, but it looked okay.

I may have pushed the 35 that you thought about, but I don' think folding is particuarly bad. I'd guess it's close enough that it depends on your image.

I did spot one hand though that you might wish to consider....

[ QUOTE ]
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [5h Td]
theradman123: calls 600
dfscott: checks
*** FLOP *** [2s 5c 5d]
dfscott: bets 2400
theradman123: folds
dfscott collected 2550 from pot
dfscott: doesn't show hand


[/ QUOTE ]

With you being short stacked, I feel you could gamble here and set the trap.
Should he be able to outdraw you, he'll probably bet at this anyway, but the point is that he'll probably bet with hands that are almost dead too.

I know you've had a rough day in here, but remember that you're still playing poker, even though 90% of it is push/fold.

Lori

[/ QUOTE ]

I think I'm getting caught up too much in the whole "reverse psychology" thing. I'm hoping that he'll think that I have nothing and I'm just trying to steal. Same deal with the QQ hand.

Instead, it looks like I'm just out-thinking myself.

Thanks for the advice.

[curtains]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Table '7847824 1' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 4: theradman123 (7815 in chips)
Seat 6: dfscott (5685 in chips)
theradman123: posts the ante 75
dfscott: posts the ante 75
dfscott: posts small blind 600
theradman123: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dfscott [7s 9d]
dfscott: raises 4410 to 5610 and is all-in

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm starting to think the HU play is mentally taxing for you. This play seems like you've just given up. This is precisely the reason I like the QQ hand for a change of pace. If you had mini-raised that QQ hand, and villain folded, it would have been more interesting to mini-raise this hand vs. allin. Otherwise, muck.

[/ QUOTE ]

Maybe curtains is right and I should dump the chart because I think it's confusing me. If I'm reading the chart right, 97o ranks 8.57 * SB, or 4.285 * BB. With blinds at 1200, that's a stack size of 5142. I'm about 1/2 BB from that, but considing the t150 in antes, plus the fact that I'm *not* turning my cards face up, I thought this was worth pushing.

However, maybe I should wait for a better edge here.

[/ QUOTE ]


btw dfscott, I believe this is a push against most opponents with 97o, and maybe all opponents, but thats my very very quick glance opinion.

[Scuba Chuck]

[ QUOTE ]
maybe I should wait for a better edge here.

[/ QUOTE ]

This is the last hand you should focus on (no pun intended).

I really think you should be thinking about the T5 hand and the QQ hand. Think about trapping.

For example: on the T5 hand, check.

If villain bets
A) Call right away - don't think or take time, or
B) Check-raise right away - don't add chips, just use the automatic button.

[Scuba Chuck]

[ QUOTE ]
btw dfscott, I believe this is a push against most opponents with 97o, and maybe all opponents, but thats my very very quick glance opinion.

[/ QUOTE ]

Man our hand selection is different HU. With their stacks being so close to even, I think this is an easier fold. If our hero had 25% of the chips or 75% of the chips, then I'd push.

[dfscott]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
maybe I should wait for a better edge here.

[/ QUOTE ]

This is the last hand you should focus on (no pun intended).

I really think you should be thinking about the T5 hand and the QQ hand. Think about trapping.

For example: on the T5 hand, check.

If villain bets
A) Call right away - don't think or take time, or
B) Check-raise right away - don't add chips, just use the automatic button.

[/ QUOTE ]

I agree -- as I said in my reply to Lori, I think I'm just out-thinking myself. I'll start trying to trap instead of double-trap. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[curtains]

No offense but I think this is really a very easy push. You probably play too tightly.

[gumpzilla]

I agree with your thoughts, Scuba, but I think the QQ hand is a bad time to start the trap. If he's been playing push-fold poker PF on his SB, limping is going to be setting off alarm bells for an even modestly capable opponent. Thus to make this kind of play after you've been playing heads up for as many hands as they had is going to require some setup somewhere earlier, in my opinion.

I guess if your opponent is bad limping is good.

[lorinda]

FWIW I was serious earlier when I mentioned play money games.

The average play moneyer heads up is a super aggressive nutcase, which is just the practise you need for at the end of a SNG.

Lori

[Scuba Chuck]

[ QUOTE ]
I agree with your thoughts, Scuba, but I think the QQ hand is a bad time to start the trap. If he's been playing push-fold poker PF on his SB, limping is going to be setting off alarm bells for an even modestly capable opponent. Thus to make this kind of play after you've been playing heads up for as many hands as they had is going to require some setup somewhere earlier, in my opinion.

I guess if your opponent is bad limping is good.


[/ QUOTE ]

There's a couple of caveats to your thinking though.

First, villain has been completing in the past, so it may seem OK for our hero to do so with junk.
Second, the flop may come T high, which pairs our villain who might be dumb enough to play when hero pushes on the flop.

that being said, I think this stresses the importance of at least trying to complete once before with junk.

[curtains]

screw play money...do what I said with a friend. It's really perfect, just play 250-500 blinds w 4k or 5k starting chips over and over and over and over until you feel like you both play perfect. Change the blinds around or starting chips or whatever, but it should be unbelievably useful if applied correctly.

[lorinda]

screw play money...do what I said with a friend. It's really perfect, just play 250-500 blinds w 4k or 5k starting chips over and over and over and over until you feel like you both play perfect. Change the blinds around or starting chips or whatever, but it should be unbelievably useful if applied correctly.

I agree that that's better.... some of us don't get out much /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Lori

[curtains]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I agree with your thoughts, Scuba, but I think the QQ hand is a bad time to start the trap. If he's been playing push-fold poker PF on his SB, limping is going to be setting off alarm bells for an even modestly capable opponent. Thus to make this kind of play after you've been playing heads up for as many hands as they had is going to require some setup somewhere earlier, in my opinion.

I guess if your opponent is bad limping is good.


[/ QUOTE ]

There's a couple of caveats to your thinking though.

First, villain has been completing in the past, so it may seem OK for our hero to do so with junk.
Second, the flop may come T high, which pairs our villain who might be dumb enough to play when hero pushes on the flop.

that being said, I think this stresses the importance of at least trying to complete once before with junk.

[/ QUOTE ]


??? Why would you think that someone who puts all their chips in if the flop comes T high is "DUMB" in this situation. The BB would have no choice but to do so and if they didn't then they would be "DUMB".

[Scuba Chuck]

[ QUOTE ]

??? Why would you think that someone who puts all their chips in if the flop comes T high is "DUMB" in this situation. The BB would have no choice but to do so and if they didn't then they would be "DUMB".


[/ QUOTE ]

If villain suspects your'e slow playing a monster, but still makes top pair and calls is ...

[curtains]

If someone is so scared of ghosts where they are scared their opponent is slowplaying a monster by limping preflop in a $10 or $20 sit and go, and then not backing top pair with all their chips when the pot has like 2500 in it and they have 2400 behind, then they are playing "DUMB"

[microbet]

This one was almost the same way I'd play it. I'd definitely slow play the set, but that probably wouldn't have mattered.

[elonkra]

Just wanted to pop in and suggest that you don't stop posting these. Very interesting and helpful threads, these are. Thanks to all.

[GtrHtr]

I did a quick analysis based on my comments from your previous HU posts and this is what I got on the second HU match of this post:

22 hands HU

16 hands where the decision was made PF (fold, AI, whatever)
6 hands where the flop was seen and hand played out to some point.

Of those 6 hands where the flop was seen, all were due to theradman123 completing the SB. Of these, you won 2 hands. The 62o hand where you represented the set of 8's and the 105o hand where you had the set but missed a trap opportunity. That hand, along with the QQ hand defined this tourney for you.

Summary: See a few more flops by completing the SB and playing the board if your opponent is playing that way. Clearly this one was. Mix it up. AI, call, min raise, fold PF. Your opponent has figured out that you are basically in the push fold mode and is picking his spots after losing his chip lead.

[DeathbySuckout]

This thread is golden and should be part of the FAQ or added to Shadow's thread. I think this is going to help my HU play immensely. Thank you to everyone involved in this thread.