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mperich

05-11-2005, 05:47 AM

Well as many of you may know party added a lot of new 30/60 tables. There is no longer a 60 person wait list, and there are even tables that arent full! Just wondering if anyone has played any of these games shorthanded, and if so what their thoughts are. I had one guy in one of my games buy in for 500.91, post utg, and limp j9o the next orbit so....read into it what you will.

-Mike

mperich

05-11-2005, 06:06 AM

Little followup quick...a nice bluffcall

Party Poker 30/60 Hold'em (4 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
2 folds, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, BB calls.

Turn: (4 BB) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, Hero 3-bets, BB calls.

River: (10 BB) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, BB calls.

Final Pot: 12 BB

Villain shows JTo.

stigmata

05-11-2005, 06:11 AM

OMFG that is one load of 30/60 tables. I need a bigger bankroll. And better emotional tolerance of swings /images/graemlins/wink.gif

climber

05-11-2005, 05:17 PM

My favorite part is these guys 3-bet cold-calling standards.

Party Poker 30/60 Hold'em (5 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG calls.

Flop: (10 SB) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
SB bets, UTG folds, Hero raises, SB calls.

Turn: (7 BB) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB raises, Hero 3-bets, SB calls.

River: (13 BB) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

Final Pot: 15 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has Qd Qh (three of a kind, queens).
SB has Qc 6c (two pair, queens and sixes).
Outcome: Hero wins 15 BB. 

Party Poker 30/60 Hold'em (5 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (12 SB) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (8 BB) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
SB bets, BB calls, UTG folds, Hero calls.

River: (11 BB) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB calls.

Final Pot: 14 BB

Results in white below: 
SB has Th Ks (one pair, kings).
BB has Js Qd (one pair, queens).
Hero has 5c Ac (one pair, aces).
Outcome: Hero wins 14 BB.

RandomDude

05-11-2005, 05:20 PM

Looks pretty sweet.

Lessee, big blind is $60, 100BB is $6000, well within my bankroll . . . I've played a little $20/$40 online, no great success but no loss either . . .

Going to see if I feel brave tonight! /images/graemlins/grin.gif

steaknshake925

05-11-2005, 05:21 PM

hand 2, is it fairly standard to 3bet an UTG raise with A5s from MP in 5-handed play?

arkady

05-11-2005, 05:23 PM

its about as far from standard as you can get. we will assume that our Hero felt UTG was some kind of LAGorifficly donktastic individual.

climber

05-11-2005, 05:25 PM

Well, I don't normally play this limit...but

Against this guy it would be. This guy was 63/36 over 200 hands and went to showdown 52% of the time.

imported_Robert Andersson

05-11-2005, 05:25 PM

fantastic! there are fish even on those levels!

sthief09

05-11-2005, 05:29 PM

I think the new 30 games will be a LOT closer to the old 15 games than the old 30 games. you'll get less people from 5/10 that won a lot though, and the awful players will bust quicker. I'm not sure this was a smart business decision for Party

Grisgra

05-11-2005, 05:34 PM

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fantastic! there are fish even on those levels!

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Damn. I'm considering hitting these babies, but frankly after this post here, I have a suspicion that the tables are going to be dripping with 2+2 TAG grimness!

climber

05-12-2005, 04:48 AM

OK never mind--turns out I was just another one of the fish.
Apparently I become just another unthinking LAG as well. Or my favorite quote from Arkady above a "Lagorifically Donktastic individual."

Just dropped 50BB there playing the same terrible guy I was owning all last night. Succeeded in busting him and i was still down $500. However, the play that beats him doens't work so hot against real players. The good players there are just really good. Last night I ran well which somewhat offsets tonight so I'm gonna just be grateful it only cost me a G to learn that I'm nowhere near ready for 30/60 SH.

If I post any more 30/60 hands please give me a stern talking to.

Schneids

05-12-2005, 04:54 AM

You will probably see me roaming the 30/60 short handed games on Party now -- I have been periodically since the changes.

mperich

05-12-2005, 05:05 AM

I think the shorthanded tables are significantly harder than I first thought. There are a TON of SLAG/TAG regulars. I will probably stay at 10/20 until I have 1000BB or so to play 30/60 with. Since my winrate is lower in the 30/60, combined with obviously the 3x higher stakes, these games are just too high variance for me to play in right now.

-Mike

Plus if schneids is frequenting them, I don't want to be donating to him =(

naphand

05-12-2005, 11:00 AM

I'm pleased to see that SLAG appears to be accepted nomenclature. You must remember though, it needs to be pronounced in London Cockney to be really meaningful, as in "You Slaayg".

stigmata

05-12-2005, 11:26 AM

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I'm pleased to see that SLAG appears to be accepted nomenclature. You must remember though, it needs to be pronounced in London Cockney to be really meaningful, as in "You Slaayg".

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Yeah, I was rather pleased when the first time I autorated myself with PockerTracker, and it called me a slag /images/graemlins/shocked.gif

Jeff W

05-12-2005, 12:12 PM

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Party Poker 30/60 Hold'em (5 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG calls.

Flop: (10 SB) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
SB bets, UTG folds, Hero raises...

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Wtf?

Jeff W

05-12-2005, 12:14 PM

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I think the new 30 games will be a LOT closer to the old 15 games than the old 30 games. you'll get less people from 5/10 that won a lot though, and the awful players will bust quicker. I'm not sure this was a smart business decision for Party

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I really wish they would have delayed this until I had some more 15/30 experience. This change will probably be good for me in the long run even if it weakens the 15/30 games in the short run.

climber

05-12-2005, 12:49 PM

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Party Poker 30/60 Hold'em (5 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG calls.

Flop: (10 SB) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
SB bets, UTG folds, Hero raises...

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Wtf?

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This is the same guy I mentioned earlier who was 62/36 and goes to showdown over half the time. He autobets every flop.

motorholdem

05-12-2005, 02:30 PM

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Well, I don't normally play this limit...but

Against this guy it would be. This guy was 63/36 over 200 hands and went to showdown 52% of the time.

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Suited weak aces are big trouble Shorthanded. They look stronger than they play.

Other than the rare flush you have two scenerios.

1. You catch an Ace and your hand sucks
2. You don't catch an Ace and your hand sucks.

Plus, it's hard to let go of this hand.

I'm especially worried about loose players, as they are more likely to have you beat with a weak Ace that may be stronger than yours. I don't like the 3 bet here.

Perhaps a cold-call (god forbid) is in order.

JRichman

05-12-2005, 02:53 PM

Spent some time short-table hopping 30/60 last night.

Only played a few hours, but it looks like there are definitely some very bad players to be exploited, but also many more TAGs running around.

I've never been one to jump around finding 10-person tables with only 4 or 5 players seated as I've found it to be more hassle than it's worth, but having all these 30/60 tables could change the calculus.

Danenania

05-12-2005, 03:58 PM

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My favorite part is these guys 3-bet cold-calling standards.

Party Poker 30/60 Hold'em (5 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG calls.

Flop: (10 SB) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
SB bets, UTG folds, Hero raises, SB calls.

Turn: (7 BB) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB raises, Hero 3-bets, SB calls.

River: (13 BB) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

Final Pot: 15 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has Qd Qh (three of a kind, queens).
SB has Qc 6c (two pair, queens and sixes).
Outcome: Hero wins 15 BB. 

Party Poker 30/60 Hold'em (5 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (12 SB) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (8 BB) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
SB bets, BB calls, UTG folds, Hero calls.

River: (11 BB) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB calls.

Final Pot: 14 BB

Results in white below: 
SB has Th Ks (one pair, kings).
BB has Js Qd (one pair, queens).
Hero has 5c Ac (one pair, aces).
Outcome: Hero wins 14 BB. 

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Do you have something against money?

climber

05-12-2005, 05:21 PM

And just think--those are the hands I posted--how bad could the rest be!?!

No seriously I am momentarily through with my illsuisons of poker greatness. They seem to come in about 6 weeek waves. I blame it all on BK's success post helping us all to delude ourselves even further.

I just looked at my DB of the whole 352 hands I've played at 30/60. The LAgorifically Donktastic fish I thought I was owning...we've played 72 pots and I'm up a whole $127 on him after us trading $8K back and forth....sad sad...oh well I've only been playing 6 months. Maybe later I'll actually have the skills to really own these fish.

Scotch78

05-12-2005, 05:52 PM

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oh well I've only been playing 6 months

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You took a shot at 30/60 after 6 months? That sounds like an expensive combination of stupidity and arrogance.

Scott

climber

05-12-2005, 08:32 PM

No it's neither...thanks though. I am arrogant, something I am constantly working on, but that is a seperate issue. Most succesful people are arrogant to some degree or other--not that that makes it acceptable though.

I move up as my BR allows to improve my game and maximize my potential profit. You find your weaknesses a lot faster if your mistakes are costly. Except for a few signif cashouts in the first 2-3 months I have followed this approach from .05/.10 with a $10 BR to my present state. 500BB of 15/30. I am disciplined and move down when necessary. I like shorthanded play even if I'm not necessarily any good at it. I couldn't find any good 15/30 tables and found a couple LAGs playing shorthanded and decided to sit and try it out. End of story.

mperich

05-12-2005, 10:13 PM

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You took a shot at 30/60 after 6 months? That sounds like an expensive combination of stupidity and arrogance.

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I've been playing for 6 months and Im sure I'm a small-decentish winner in the 30/60 and a large winner in the 10/20. Dedicated play and study can make up for vast quantities of time.

-Mike

Scotch78

05-12-2005, 11:39 PM

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I've been playing for 6 months

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Damn. You fooled me. Way to go!

Scott