Weak fold? PP 10 + 1

[Karak567]

***** Hand History for Game 2031841296 *****
NL Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:12107724 Level:4 Blinds(50/100) - Wednesday, May 11, 03:43:06 EDT 2005
Table Table 39782 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: Jaahhh ( $370 )
Seat 5: niltag ( $400 )
Seat 7: P_lars ( $5040 )
Seat 10: dskn86 ( $670 )
Seat 3: erb4321 ( $1520 )
Trny:12107724 Level:4
Blinds(50/100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to erb4321 [ As 8c ]
dskn86 folds.
Jaahhh folds.
erb4321 raises [300].
niltag folds.
P_lars calls [200].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9d, 3s, Ad ]
P_lars is all-In [4740]
>You have options at Table 11149 Table!.
erb4321 folds.
P_lars does not show cards.
P_lars wins 5390 chips

[lorinda]

I think it's fine, but you may wonder about your forward planning that got you into this mess.

Lori

[Karak567]

[ QUOTE ]
I think it's fine, but you may wonder about your forward planning that got you into this mess.

Lori

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What do you mean? I thought a steal with A8 from my position was pretty solid?

[lorinda]

I don't like it.

The best that can happen is you can steal the irrelevant blinds, and the worst that can happen is pretty much what happened.

IMO this is a special scenario, normally it would be fine.

Lori

[pokerlaw]

I agree, the steal move isn't good. the one player that you do not want to play a hand against is in the BB. look at that stack! fold it preflop.

[Karak567]

Good advice. I suppose a major leak in my game is going for these small steals and then not being able to get away from them.

Another possible leak is I am not really evaluating the size of the stack I am stealing against verses the overall quality of my hand. Gotta review these things! Thanks for the tips :-).

[prunch]

a steal is only good if it works, this didint work!!!!!!!

[pischa]

I'd agree stealing from the BB with that stack is not a good idea.

However I am not sure the laydown is good. If I am looking to be in the money I fold, if I want to win the tournament I call. This ofcourse depends abit on the type of player that BB is.

I think there is a big chance you have the best hand, the only (somewhat probable) hands that beat you are higher aces and they are not very likely considering that 2 are already out. I think BB is saying "I have a much bigger stack than yours, so dont you come here and bully me, I'll bully you. I put you all in".

After winning this pot BB has what, like 70% of the chips and an easy crusie home. You might end up second, but you will need to gamble for it since the rest of you have small stacks. Gambling here and winning the pot would basically put you in shared lead and a considerably bigger chance to win the tournament.

[lutefisk]

Sucks to fold this, but it would suck way more to go out in 5th with it. You've still got a good stack relative to the rest, and now you know to avoid messing with the big stack.

Slight sideline: I've sometimes found big stacks that are easy to steal from as they sit back and wait for the smaller ones to eliminate eachother. I also try to cultivate a tight image, and hopefully they give my hand more credit than it's due because I'm betting into the big stack. Anybody else do/think this, or is this just me throwing money away in the long run?

"Only after the 10th punch will you see the fist, and only after the 20th will you block it." --Proverb from the game of Go