View Full Version : Bonehead Move of the Century
Degen
05-11-2005, 03:15 AM
This was a MTT, but I'd rather post it for y'all. Please flame the crap out of me.
$220 Buy-In MTT @ Commerce Casino (LA) tonite.
450+ Players
85k+ Prize Pool
~35k for 1st
Top 27 paid.
7 tables left (~63 players) with blinds at 200/400 and 50 ante. I have ~2.5k and Villian has around the same.
I am MP1, its folded to me and I look down at A /images/graemlins/diamond.gif8 /images/graemlins/club.gif
I push.
Villain is a tight passive older asian guy. He has a thick accent and announces 'count' when it is folded to him. I'm rocking the iPod full blast, nodding my head to some Jack Johnson and I think he says 'call'. I look at him, he looks up at me as if to say (i thought) 'wuddya got?'...i flip over my hand. The dealer flips out on me and tells me he didn't call yet.
He looks at his hand, thinks for a minute and says 'i call'
He turns over 8 /images/graemlins/spade.gif8 /images/graemlins/heart.gif
Andre
Where was Gavin Griffin when you needed him.
Degen
05-11-2005, 03:27 AM
who?
"thinks for a minute"
Literally???
Degen
05-11-2005, 03:33 AM
ya it was weird...probably more like 45 seconds. He was very tight. I'm pretty certain he would have folded his BB.
Andre
LeVoodoo
05-11-2005, 03:45 AM
That probably killed your appetite for banana pancakes.
Blarg
05-11-2005, 03:48 AM
A lot of players put their headphones on so it looks like they are listening to music, so that they don't have to talk to people and can just concentrate on the game. Sounds like you got it backwards big time.
I do that too sometimes, but it does cut back on the information you pick up.
Degen
05-11-2005, 03:48 AM
haha no i still love jack...but now i understand why Daniel Negreanu always asks people 'you call?' 'you're all in?' etc...no matter how damned obvious what they said was.
Andre
Degen
05-11-2005, 03:50 AM
makes me play tight, and i am affected by the things people say, its my biggest downfall in live poker, and probably why i do so well online.
I just can't blind steal from people that i've been talking to, or who have made a comment about my steals in the past etc. Probably same reason i turn chat off on PP when it gets late tourneys.
Andre
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At the final table of the 2004 3K PL WSOP event, Gavin Griffin re-raised SomeFirstName Lee's raise with A8s. Lee had 88 but Griffin caught an Ace to eliminate Lee and set himself up for his victory.
TheUsher
05-11-2005, 03:53 AM
Thanks for reminding me about the "Heavenly Holdem" at the Commerce. /images/graemlins/grin.gif Totally forgot about it since I've been doing nothing lately but sleep/eat/play on Empire. Looks like I might go out there for the $500 ones or $2.5k main event if I'm lucky. Something about playing in the smaller $200/$300 ones, surviving a huge 500+ person field and going out with 2-3 tables left to barely double/triple my buyin seems pointless. /images/graemlins/confused.gif ...Especially how I'm going to get killed emotionally if I get deep like that barely placing ITM or bubbling. $$$ needs to be more where it'll either make me happy or hurt so I have to play as perfect as I can. /images/graemlins/grin.gif
Degen
05-11-2005, 03:55 AM
Lotta bad players man. Good side games right now too. Too bad i was steaming or i woulda stayed and ate em up.
400 NL and 600 Min NL are lookin juicy right now.
Commerce is the place to be. Thinkin bout goin back tonite, i feel a little better now.
Andre
TheUsher
05-11-2005, 03:59 AM
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Lotta bad players man. Good side games right now too. Too bad i was steaming or i woulda stayed and ate em up.
400 NL and 600 Min NL are lookin juicy right now.
Commerce is the place to be. Thinkin bout goin back tonite, i feel a little better now.
Andre
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As much as I have fun in the cash games live, I'm doing pretty well recently online without needing to do those marathon 18+ hour sessions at a casino. Seems like whenever I sit down a nice N/L game, I don't ever leave. That seems to be my leak there. /images/graemlins/grin.gif
Degen
05-11-2005, 04:02 AM
ya know what u mean...my big leak to and why i prefer tourneys...but i'm flipping sick of staring at my monitor...i'm sure yall go through that from time to time, and Heavenly seemed like a good time to make a B&M run.
You have been playin a lot man, jeez...you're racing up that Tourney Masters chart.
Andre
TheUsher
05-11-2005, 04:10 AM
Actually, haven't been playing as much as I used to. Just playing a higher limit so the points add up quicker. Maybe this weekend I'll really get in a ton if I'm home. /images/graemlins/grin.gif I AM beating raptor though *for now* so I just have to play a little more than him every day to make him feel bad. bwahahah!*&^# /images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Seadood228
05-11-2005, 04:24 AM
I don't feel so bad now.
At last years Legends of Poker I open raised on the button and the BB, my nemesis from another hand, starts staring me down. I had a great hand (AKo), but this guy was totally in my head and I really didn't want him to reraise me (yes I know I suck). Anyway after what seemed like 5 minutes but was probably more like 30 seconds, he folded. I decide to show my hand as a good jesture and to hopefully build up some table cred, when all of the sudden the player UTG announces "call".
Whoops, gotta watch out for those limpers /images/graemlins/smile.gif
It actually worked in my favor, because the flop came 235, with a 6 on the turn. I folded to his turn bet and UTG showed 44.
Degen
05-11-2005, 04:28 AM
he should have said he was all in PF...woulda been a wonderful angle.
Andre
Blarg
05-11-2005, 04:38 AM
Good call. That would have made an even better story.
Seadood228
05-11-2005, 04:49 AM
The way I was playing, I probably would have called.
curtains
05-11-2005, 05:06 AM
Maybe this hand will teach you not to listen to your ipod at a final table. btw in most cardrooms, your hand should be immediately dead after you showed it. I would insist that this happen if this was a rule in that particular cardroom, especially since you were listening to music at the time.
Degen
05-11-2005, 05:20 AM
i asked the floor about that
i was told that as there was action behind and my chips were already in the pot that that my hand was still live
say my hand were killed...would i get the chips back or not? would that mean he could call me, win all my money and i couldn't win?
Andre
curtains
05-11-2005, 05:24 AM
Well one comparable situatoion that I was involved in at last years WSOP in a 1k buyin.....UTG went allin for 1k chips, blinds 100-200. While someone was thinking, the dealer mucked UTG's hand, and he was eliminated from the tournament because of this.
I'm pretty sure if you show your hand before the action is over your hand is dead, but not 100%. The player probably should have asked the floor to do this before acting.
Seadood228
05-11-2005, 05:55 AM
I wish I could use listening to music as an excuse.. Truth is I just wasn't paying attention.
But I agree the hand should have been killed. The dealer didn't say anything though.
Degen
05-11-2005, 05:59 AM
the music was part of it but that guys accent was crazy, i swear he said call lol
wait so you guys are saying that they should have killed my hand and given me my chips back? or killed it and given him my chips?
as in, i got a free chance to suckout or i should still have been in the tourney...
Andre
spentrent
05-11-2005, 06:08 AM
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the music was part of it but that guys accent was crazy, i swear he said call lol
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Know the feeling. I had a guy say "how many CHECKs" (his emphasis) on the river. I say "What? 'check?'"
I was about to flip my cards over and he says "How much do you have left."
This was my first trip to this friendly .25/.50 NL home game and the possible angle shoot didn't even occur to me 'til a few more hands were dealt.
Now I'm that annoying guy who ALWAYS makes the guy in front of me repeat himself.
Insty
05-11-2005, 12:29 PM
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Now I'm that annoying guy who ALWAYS makes the guy in front of me repeat himself.
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Why are you all in such a rush to turn your cards over?
Why not just turn your cards over second?
Or wait for the dealer to prod you or something?
(I've never played in a casino, so forgive me if there is something I am missing.)
jah0550
05-11-2005, 12:32 PM
Reason #9,999,999 why not to listen to music while playing poker. Wait for him to push his chips in next time afterall this isn't indian poker.
Apathy
05-11-2005, 12:41 PM
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Now I'm that annoying guy who ALWAYS makes the guy in front of me repeat himself.
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Why are you all in such a rush to turn your cards over?
Why not just turn your cards over second?
Or wait for the dealer to prod you or something?
(I've never played in a casino, so forgive me if there is something I am missing.)
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Playing live limit it is really annoying when people take a huge amount of time to turn their cards over when it is clear the hand is over. Especially because at the 20/40 game in brantford you pay a session fee.
Actually I almost forgot about it but I have a similar story. A few months ago playing 10/20 at brantford I played a hand (HU pot) that went I bet, call turn makes me a straight I think I have Q-10 board is QJ8-9 I bet he calls, river is a blank I bet, I see him throw in chips and assumed it was a call because I was expecting to see two pair from this guy. I turn my hand over and say 'straight' he looks at me and says, 'I raised!'
I could totally tell what he had by the way he said that but for some reason I called anyways /images/graemlins/tongue.gif.
GtrHtr
05-11-2005, 12:49 PM
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who?
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At the final table of the 2004 3K PL WSOP event, Gavin Griffin re-raised SomeFirstName Lee's raise with A8s. Lee had 88 but Griffin caught an Ace to eliminate Lee and set himself up for his victory.
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aka 2005 over on the MTT board and wsop2005 on PS and I think PP. He's killing the 25k - 250k guaranteed's lately.
Degen
05-11-2005, 05:13 PM
you're not required to push them as long as you say 'call' or 'all-in'...but yes i think i will highly consider no music, at least when i am in the pot
Andre
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