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Pocket Trips
05-10-2005, 06:23 PM
Villain is 65% vpip
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Preflop: Hero is BB with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. MP2 posts a blind of $0.5.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 (poster) checks, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (6 SB) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, MP2 calls, CO calls, SB folds, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, MP2 calls, CO folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 3-bets</font>, MP2 folds, Hero calls.

River: (12.50 BB) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 16.50 BB

irishpint
05-10-2005, 06:25 PM
i may have check/called the river. MP1 could have 67- he sure played like he hit his draw on the turn. do you know anything about him?

toss
05-10-2005, 06:27 PM
I think you pushed too hard actually. Any stats on his aggro factor? That would tell you a lot more.

Pocket Trips
05-10-2005, 06:27 PM
was only at table for about 15 hands or so when this one happened 68% vpip in limited hands

Firefly
05-10-2005, 06:27 PM
I would have capped the turn and bet/called the river. You have the second nuts, play like it /images/graemlins/smile.gif. If he has 67..on the turn, so be it. The river is close...you probally have to bet just incase he checks through.

Pocket Trips
05-10-2005, 06:29 PM
no pfrs but 2.71 agggression factor post flop

bozlax
05-10-2005, 06:31 PM
Any reads on Villan? Would he limp with 76, then bet out the flop? Cuz the only hands that beat you here are 76 and 62, and against a "normal" player, I don't think either of those are too likely (especially since he bet out the flop). I put him on AQ, or maybe A3/A4.

I love the ace-low straight almost as much as ace-high, because nobody ever seems to see it coming.

Cap the turn, 3-bet the river.

Firefly
05-10-2005, 06:32 PM
come on toss...range of hands dude...you think he bets the flop with 67? He's most likely to have a set from the way he played it. Most players don't bet gutshots on the flop. Therefore set/2 pair is his most likely holding imho

bozlax
05-10-2005, 06:33 PM
Do you really see anyone betting out this flop with 76? He would've played the flop the same as the turn if raised, since he either has a queen or he has A3/A4.

bozlax
05-10-2005, 06:36 PM
And he's at least playing like a nutball, if not actually a nutball...68% VPIP and 2.something postflop agg? He's either got Q-rag or A4/A3.

Siegmund
05-11-2005, 06:17 AM
When limpers bet flops, it's because they have a piece of the flop. Villain most likely has a queen; as the others said, A3 and A4 are possible (heck, AQ is possible, lot of people seem to be limping UTG with that these days but not my taste) and so is any second pair. 55, for instance, is a hand that might have hit the turn, and is more likely than 62 or 76. No reason to think he hit the turn at all, actually; he just thinks he already has the best hand and is keeping plugging away at it.

I won't be surprised if a loose player shows down any set or any two pair on this action. I would seriously consider capping the turn. And since the board didnt pair (no FH possible), 3-betting the river is not insane opposite a villain who tends to overplay his hand. Your line is fine, in other words, and the alternative is to push harder, not less.

Matt Jenko
05-11-2005, 06:31 AM
Looks like you have the lead here. I can't see a 67, 56 really betting the flop here. I could be totally wrong, but the times villain doesn't have these are a lot more than the times he/she does. It really looks like a set here the way it has been played. (you wouldn't surprise me if i was completely wrong here though /images/graemlins/wink.gif)

Pocket Trips
05-11-2005, 09:22 AM
thanks for all the great feedback guys...

I had put him on a Q but 2nd guessed myself after he 3 bet the turn.. i tend to give players too much credit when i am 3 bet when i don't have the nuts...Poker tracker is helping me with this a lot even after just 2 days of using it...plus i am basically just playing in "survival mode" till i clear my instant bankroll required hands and can withdraw and go to a site that has limits more appropriate for my BR

btw he had Q-5o and MHIG /images/graemlins/grin.gif

lionhorse
05-11-2005, 09:29 AM
While it's possible MP1 would bet his gutshot, I think a set or top pair is more likely. Cap the turn, and possibly the river as well. Definitely bet the river though.