Big stack with KQs

[Newt_Buggs]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t300 (4 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

BB (t1520)
UTG (t545)
Button (t1730)
Hero (t4205)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t545 (All-In)</font>, Button calls t545, <font color="#CC3333">Hero?</font>

[mjm]

Personally i'd fold. You've got to be behind. Best case scenario you are against 2 under-pairs, more likely you are dominated by at least 1 of the hands, and you could be in real trouble against k-k or A-A

[mjm]

The call rather than raise also looks like he wants someone else to come in rather than he is not too strong. I've got him on A-A or K-K

[multifast1]

AT first I was going to say fold but rethinking it I would call. You really want to take someone out here and a hand like that has a good chance of taking down the all-in. Since the UTG is all-in and the others are much shorter stacked, but close in size to each other (I'm assuming the BB will complete if you limp) that you might get a free showdown. Decent chance you catch a straight or a flush too or even take down a KJ that you might take out 2 of them as well. I think it's worth putting in the small amount of chips but fold to any real aggression if you the flop doesn't hit you hard.

[multifast1]

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The call rather than raise also looks like he wants someone else to come in rather than he is not too strong. I've got him on A-A or K-K

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Remember it's down to 4 and top 3 are ITM. He only called because there's a big stack behind and two players to act! I doubt he's on a monster hand in this situation. Probably a small pair or AJ/AT. And the UTG all-in could be on just about anything considering he'll be blinded out in the next two hands...

[jpg7n16]

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BB (t1520)
UTG (t545)
Button (t1730)
Hero (t4205)

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UTG All-in; Button Calls; You Fold:

UTG Wins: BB(t1520), UTG(t1540), Button(t1185), Hero(t4205)
Button Wins: BB(t1520), UTG(t0), Button(t2725), Hero(t4205)

You still have massive chip lead and still a good stance to win.

You call and win you're in great position to win.

You call and lose:

UTG Wins: BB(t1520), UTG(t1935), Button(t1185), Hero(t3810)
Button Wins: BB(t1520), UTG(t0), Button(t3120), Hero(t3810)

You only have roughly one round of blinds more than the 2nd chip stack at the table, or have given UTG a great chance at making it much further than he should have.

I would fold and wait for a better time. I may guarantee myself a higher spot just by folding. If UTG is not out, then I even improve my overall chip position.

[johnnybeef]

fold it.

[swarm]

Let's see, your the big stack and you have to call 395 to see a flop in a 2000 pot with KQs. How do you not call???

Blinds are 150/300 -- UTG is pushing any two, hence why Button called. He didn't push because he doesn't have that strong of a hand and is afraid of busting out on the bubble if you have a hand. My bet is that Button has AX no higher than AJ.

Call if you hit a KQ or any 2 suited flop Push.

UTG had to push any two from his spot, I would.

[Phil Van Sexton]

At first, I thought "push".

After thinking some more, I'd push.

[swarm]

I tend to agree with Phil actually. I think there is a good chance that Button even folds in fear of busting out on the bubble. He doesn't like his hand that much or he would have pushed. He's afraid of busting out.

[Sykes]

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At first, I thought "push".

After thinking some more, I'd push.

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I agree, why are you people folding? Seriously. You're not even crippled if you lose both all-ins and if you win both all-ins, you have a 4 to 1 going HU. I don't know about you, but I like having 4 to 1 HU and will gamble if it puts me in that position.

[curtains]

One thing I know is that folding is the worst option by quite a bit.

[Newt_Buggs]

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At first, I thought "push".

After thinking some more, I'd push.

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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t300 (4 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

BB (t1520)
UTG (t545)
Button (t1730)
Hero (t4205)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t545 (All-In)</font>, Button calls t545, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t4205 (All-In)</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button (after a long pause) folds.

Flop: (t5595) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Turn: (t5595) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

River: (t5595) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t5595

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
UTG has 9c Kc (one pair, nines).
Hero has Qd Kd (straight, king high).
Outcome: Hero wins t5595. </font>

this play was inspired, in part, by this (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&amp;Board=singletable&amp;Number=2330485 &amp;Forum=,All_Forums,&amp;Words=&amp;Searchpage=0&amp;Limit=25&amp;M ain=2330485&amp;Search=true&amp;where=&amp;Name=8271&amp;daterange =&amp;newerval=&amp;newertype=&amp;olderval=&amp;oldertype=&amp;bodypr ev=#Post2330485)

seriously though, results are meaningless. I still think that there is a strong case for calling here and playing a flop. Its almost certain that the button has me beat and it would have really sucked if he called. Also if the button calls and i win the main pot and knock them both out, he still gets 3rd which gives him a strong incentive to call. with the buttons donation (545)+450 from the blinds, a shot at isolating almost 1,000 chips was just to good for me to resist though.

[swarm]

Beautifully played! Would love to know what button folded. Interestingly if you just call, you probably lose this hand as Button pushes you out after the flop.

The button made a big mistake in just calling the 545, he should have pushed. You made him pay the price.

[MentalCombat]

Exactly.. i'd push 100%, because 8-10 times the button will fold, for fear that you must have a monster. That, and the bubble factor, plus the fact that even if he does call, and you lose, which isn't guarenteed, you still arn't crippled, makes it an easy push for me.

[kyro]

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One thing I know is that folding is the worst option by quite a bit.

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phew, i'm reading all these responses saying fold and i'm thinking push the whole way. glad i'm not crazy.