Hot sauce that can KILL YOU!!! Try if you dare.

[Lawrence Ng]

By HEATHER BROWNE
A NEW chilli sauce goes on sale today that is so hot it could KILL.

Ultra-concentrated “16 Million Reserve” is the hottest science can make.

The sauce is 30 times hotter than the spiciest pepper and 8,000 times more fiery than Tabasco.

Diners must sign a disclaimer recommending “protective gloves and eye wear” — but even sweating testers in safety gear were blinded by tears for 30 minutes.

Just 999 bottles of it are on sale at £105 each.

Medical experts fear it could kill asthmatics or hospitalise a user who touches a sensitive part of the body afterwards.

It is made of pure capsaicin, the chemical that makes peppers “hot”. It takes tons of peppers to make 1lb of capsaicin.

Creator Blair Lazar, 35, specialises in “extreme food” in New Jersey, US.

After trying it, he said: “It’s like having your tongue hit with a hammer. Man, it hurt.”

The sauce is named after its score on the chilli heat measure, the Scoville Unit.

Reserve scores 16 million units, while a Red Savina, the world’s spiciest pepper, measures just 570,000.



LINK (http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005211088,00.html)

[Macdaddy Warsaw]

I don't even understand the point of eating something that spicy. I love spicy food if it actually adds something to the flavor, but something like this would just suck. I'd try it once, but just to see how it feels like to put pure capsaicin on my tongue.

[fluxrad]

It's a dick size thing. "Check me out, I can eat hotter [censored] than you!"

That being said. That's enough capsaicin to probably just cause like a few minutes of serious pain and then you just go completely numb.

As far as hot-sauce goes...viva Melindas!

[Lawrence Ng]

[ QUOTE ]
I don't even understand the point of eating something that spicy. I love spicy food if it actually adds something to the flavor, but something like this would just suck. I'd try it once, but just to see how it feels like to put pure capsaicin on my tongue.

[/ QUOTE ]

I think it's just to see how far the human threshold can take it and this seems like the threshold. You might as well put poison on my tongue at this point as it would probably be less painful.

Lawrence

[Blarg]

I don't think I'm that curious. This just seems insane.

Maybe I'd use it to assassinate some dictator, or sprinkle on a dog if I was a mailman. Or put on someone's vibrator if I were a crazed ex-boyfriend. Or put on my boss's coffee cup.

[IggyWH]

[ QUOTE ]
I love spicy food if it actually adds something to the flavor, but something like this would just suck.

[/ QUOTE ]

I can't really say I've ever had anything that tasted better because it was spicy. I hate spicy foods... but I think I might be allergic to pepper so that could explain it.

[gumpzilla]

It could conceivably be used in trace amounts while cooking. I've used a few drops of Dave's Insanity, which is a pretty damn potent hot sauce, in this style in the past with pretty good results. Many people prefer a hot sauce flavor to just raw heat, though, so I don't think this would be particularly popular for that. Maybe people will purchase it for torture purposes.

[Lawrence Ng]

[ QUOTE ]
Many people prefer a hot sauce flavor to just raw heat, though, so I don't think this would be particularly popular for that. Maybe people will purchase it for torture purposes.

[/ QUOTE ]

Or for a real sick practical joke..lol

Lawrence

[bernie]

[ QUOTE ]
Or for a real sick practical joke

[/ QUOTE ]

By law, if you give anyone this stuff without them knowing, you can be held liable.

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[Jazza]

where can i buy this? i want some!

[bernie]

The most I tasted was 357,000 units. I only had a dot on my finger and it burned my face off.

That was the hottest sh*t I ever had. It lasted about 45 mins after. Note: It was a small dot on my finger. Like a small pinprick of blood.

That was hot enough for me. I wouldn't need to taste hotter. No thanks.

b

[bernie]

[ QUOTE ]
where can i buy this? i want some!


[/ QUOTE ]

haha...you sound like my roommate. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

b

[Blarg]

bernie, I've heard about that before. It seems so unlikely, yet at the same time I could see it too, somehow. Am I just totally gullible here, or can you really be held legally accountable for giving someone hot peppers or hot sauce or whatever without telling them?

[bernie]

Yes.

Just as you can be held accountable for putting a drug in someones drink resulting in injury.

There was a story in my bartending class of a guy who put tobasco in a girls straw in her drink. Basically, you put the straw in tobasco, cap the one side, take it out so it holds the tobasco in it, put it in the drink, release the straw. It was meant as an honest joke as he was friends with her. She slurped it, ended up hospitalized for a couple months with a burned out esophagus along with some other stuff I can't remember right now. She was effed up pretty bad. There was a civil suit which was settled out of court. Then followed a disertation about the possible ramifications of doing this to someone.

That was just tobasco. Imagine if it was this stuff.

b

[rusellmj]

I watched a short show once on people who are "extreme" eaters. The ones who do peppers like habeneros talk about a chili high they get while their mouths are scorching and right before they start sweating. Must be some endorphin or chemical overload in your brain. One can only imagine what this stuff would do.

[bernie]

I heard you can build up a tolerance for it. So you can eventually eat hotter and hotter stuff.

b

[Lawrence Ng]

[ QUOTE ]
where can i buy this? i want some!

[/ QUOTE ]

I have no idea where you can get this stuff, but they really should not be selling it if you ask me. On the website that brought the story, it mentioned that it was costing 150 pounds a small bottle.

Lawrence

[Lawrence Ng]

[ QUOTE ]
I heard you can build up a tolerance for it. So you can eventually eat hotter and hotter stuff.

[/ QUOTE ]

I believe this to be true as well. Over the years, I have found that I have higher threshold for spicyness. However, I've not tried anything near the flame of a habernero..

Lawrence

[La Brujita]

I tried a drop of Dave's Insanity and it burned my tongue, I think literally. It wasn't that fun but the pain went away in 10 minutes.

I can only imagine what the sauces many times hotter are like.

[Stupendous_Man]

There's no [censored] way I try this. I like hot/spicy food, but there is a point where the taste is no longer enjoyable.

There's a wing place a county over from me (Quacker Steak & Lube) that offers like 30 different flavors for their wings. The hottest (I don't recall the unit #, but you could probably find out from their web site) requires you to sign a waiver first. They also have a wall showing, month-by-month, all of the people who have eaten the hottest wings. I don't exactly recall the "rules", but I believe it's something like you have to eat 5 of the wings to be added to the wall.

When they first opened, I asked for a small sample of one of their hotter sauces. It was probably the hottest thing I've eaten. I looked back at their scale and noticed that, that sauce was 1/10th the units of their hottest.

[Stupendous_Man]

[ QUOTE ]
I watched a short show once on people who are "extreme" eaters.

[/ QUOTE ]


I saw one of these once. It focused on eating competitions and one of them was for jalapeños. The guy is starting the sweat and is about half way through the plate when he bites into one and the juice squirts him in the eye! Needless to say, he was done.

[Matt Flynn]

The runner-up more widely available version is Endorphin Rush. Not that strong but deadly enough.

[toss]

I wanna try something this hot at one point in my life. Right now I'm like splashing good old habenero sauce on just about everything I eat.

[gumpzilla]

[ QUOTE ]
I tried a drop of Dave's Insanity and it burned my tongue, I think literally. It wasn't that fun but the pain went away in 10 minutes.

[/ QUOTE ]

It's pretty brutal stuff, but I was curious where it sat on the almighty Scoville chart.

Dave's Insanity weighs in at a paltry 51000 Scoville.

They do make a couple of hotter sauces, but even the hottest seems to top out at 150000 or so. Seeing this, I can't even really begin to imagine what the hot sauce that is the focus of this thread is like.

[beerbandit]

pretty elaborate bottle for hot sauce

[ QUOTE ]
8,000 times more fiery than Tabasco

[/ QUOTE ]

im out --- tabasco is to hot for me


cheers

[Mars357]

[ QUOTE ]
[On the website that brought the story, it mentioned that it was costing 150 pounds a small bottle.

Lawrence

[/ QUOTE ]

150 pounds of what?

[Jazza]

ok, i'm too lazy to search for this, but if some one links me up and this leads to a succesfull purchase of this hot sauce for me i'll fork over a $20 comission, serious

i want this hot sauce!!

[Inthacup]

sterling

[theBruiser500]

that is awesome, "it's like having your tongue hit with a hammer"

[bernie]

[ QUOTE ]
but even the hottest seems to top out at 150000

[/ QUOTE ]

The one I tasted was 357k. Funny, it's called 357.

After a certain point though, I don't really think it matters. It all burns. I doubt I could tell the difference between 150k and 357k.

b

[_2000Flushes]

I've never been a fan of cologne, but I'll have to give this stuff a try.

-2kF

[jcx]

I saw a program on the Food Network last week that included products very similar to this one.

The viscousity of this "sauce" is akin to molasses due to its extreme concentration. It is not intended for straight consumption and there are warning labels all over the box and bottle. A tiny drop can be used to add heat to LARGE batches of salsa, chili, etc. If you have an upscale specialty grocer near you they can likely order it.

EDIT - Found a link. Buy it here (and this particular product is in crystal form):

http://www.sweatnspice.com/proddetail.php?prod=429

[jakethebake]

Buy it here (http://www.sweatnspice.com/proddetail.php?prod=429) or here. (http://www.hotsauce.com/detail.aspx?ID=638)

[Hermlord]

I got Dave's Insanity Sauce in my eye once.

I don't recommend it.

[Jazza]

[ QUOTE ]
Buy it here (http://www.sweatnspice.com/proddetail.php?prod=429) or here. (http://www.hotsauce.com/detail.aspx?ID=638)

[/ QUOTE ]

srry dude, jcx beat you to it by 2 minutes

[jakethebake]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Buy it here (http://www.sweatnspice.com/proddetail.php?prod=429) or here. (http://www.hotsauce.com/detail.aspx?ID=638)

[/ QUOTE ]

srry dude, jcx beat you to it by 2 minutes

[/ QUOTE ]

actually, no. Compare the time he posted the link to mine. But that's cool. He probably needs the $20. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Jazza]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
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Buy it here (http://www.sweatnspice.com/proddetail.php?prod=429) or here. (http://www.hotsauce.com/detail.aspx?ID=638)

[/ QUOTE ]

srry dude, jcx beat you to it by 2 minutes

[/ QUOTE ]

actually, no. Compare the time he posted the link to mine. But that's cool. He probably needs the $20. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

oh, good point, you win

[M2d]

imagine the icyhot in the jockstrap prank pulled off with this stuff. Yeah, I'd sue if it happened to me.

[M2d]

Indo

[Iceman]

[ QUOTE ]
ok, i'm too lazy to search for this, but if some one links me up and this leads to a succesfull purchase of this hot sauce for me i'll fork over a $20 comission, serious

i want this hot sauce!!

[/ QUOTE ]

http://www.sweatnspice.com/proddetail.php?prod=429

[Blarg]

[ QUOTE ]
imagine the icyhot in the jockstrap prank pulled off with this stuff. Yeah, I'd sue if it happened to me.

[/ QUOTE ]

I'd want to, but I was more interested if it were legally sustainable than if people would sue. People will sue over anything, so that's fairly meaningless.

I've eaten severely painful things and never gotten mouth burns, and wondered if capsacin actually really did burn or just created a burning sensation. Since they even spray it in your eyes in pepper spray and its legal to do so, I always thought you couldn't really be injured by the stuff; at least not in concentrations a human being was ever likely to encounter on the planet.

Bernie's tabasco story, for instance. I've drunk tabasco, and I know lots of people who have. We used to have challenge matches doing it as kids. I had no idea a mere partial straw full of it, like Bernie was talking about, could possibly injure someone.

I'm still curious how much she really was injured and how much she was just extremely mad and in pain.

[LoaferGee12]

What do you plan to do with this stuff?

[bernie]

The injury is related to one's tolerance I would guess.

[ QUOTE ]
I'm still curious how much she really was injured and how much she was just extremely mad and in pain.

[/ QUOTE ]

From what I was told, she was incapacitated/hospitalized for awhile. The 2 people were friends.

I can say, if I inhaled a straw full of that '357' crap, i would've been one absolutely hurting unit. I had trouble breathing from just a dot on my finger. I don't even want to imagine what that would do to my insides. Imagine the burn in your mouth all down into your throat. More-so since it's likely more sensitive to harm than your mouth. (Ever touch something on your body after having your hands in something like that? Eyes or whatever? It burns. Even after washing your hands, sometimes a couple times, it burns.)

b

[bernie]

357 (http://www.sweatnspice.com/hot-sauce/357-Mad-Dog-Hot-Sauce.php)

It'll make your face peel.

Nice link, btw...

b

[Blarg]

Yeah, but how could they put it in spray and spray it into your eyes, making it a breathable mist, too, if it really burned internal organs and delicate membranes? I mean, how delicate are eyes, of all things, after all? Pretty incredibly delicate. And inhaling pepper spray in all sorts of the various amounts you might get if you were sprayed -- how dangerous could it be if you could sell it over the counter to any random fool?

I'm just saying I don't think the sensation of pain is necessarily the same thing as a burn injury at all. After all, you could probably the worst pepper there is on your hand for hours without getting burned.

I could see her being hospitalized for having internal spasms -- of her lungs, tongue, etc. Maybe even having a heart attack or stroke. If she died and a doctor cut her up and looked, though, I wonder if they'd be able to trace any damage caused directly by the affect of capsacin itself.

I've never even heard of anyone having a sore mouth the next morning, or even the next hour after eating any amount of spicy food, and your mouth and tongue are thin-skinned mucuous membranes, fer crissake.

[Jazza]

[ QUOTE ]
What do you plan to do with this stuff?

[/ QUOTE ]

i'm not sure yet, but i'll will be ingesting some of it somehow

[bernie]

[ QUOTE ]
Yeah, but how could they put it in spray and spray it into your eyes, making it a breathable mist, too, if it really burned internal organs and delicate membranes?

[/ QUOTE ]

There's a big difference between pepper spray and hot sauce. Pepper spray affects you a little different. I got some during the mardi gras riot in seattle a couple years back. Just a waft of it, but it gave me a different kind of sore throat for about 2 days. On a side note: The concussion bombs were kind of cool.

Dab some(hot sauce: tobasco or hotter) on your hand, then touch your eye with it. Then imagine that being 50x worse.

[ QUOTE ]
And inhaling pepper spray in all sorts of the various amounts you might get if you were sprayed -- how dangerous could it be if you could sell it over the counter to any random fool?


[/ QUOTE ]

They sell lots of dangerous stuff over the counter.

[ QUOTE ]
I wonder if they'd be able to trace any damage caused directly by the affect of capsacin itself.

[/ QUOTE ]

When it burns you, it's taumatizing you. It's traumatizing the tissue. It will show up.

[ QUOTE ]
I've never even heard of anyone having a sore mouth the next morning, or even the next hour after eating any amount of spicy food,

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't think your average spicy food eater is eating near the heat that this stuff can put off. Not many chug tobasco str8 either. They dilute it by putting it on something.

Get some 357 and slather it on a taco. See how many finish it.

[ QUOTE ]
and your mouth and tongue are thin-skinned mucuous membranes,

[/ QUOTE ]

Your mouth itself is one of the fastest healing parts of your body. The more internal you go, meaning down the throat, the worse it tends to get. After all, you can dissolve an aspirin in your mouth. It eats a hole in your stomach.

Hey, you can always order some and take a swig. Keep some salt or bread near by. Let us know how it goes.

b

[Blarg]

[ QUOTE ]
There's a big difference between pepper spray and hot sauce.

[/ QUOTE ]

Active ingredient in both: capscacin.

[ QUOTE ]
They sell lots of dangerous stuff over the counter.


[/ QUOTE ]

Not for spraying into your eyes and lungs. Even bottles and come with warnings like, Don't stick me in your ear or eat me.

[ QUOTE ]
When it burns you, it's taumatizing you. It's traumatizing the tissue. It will show up.


[/ QUOTE ]

What you feel isn't necessarily related at all to what's happening. For instance, some people may think they're not getting enough oxygen, when in fact they're hyperventilating and they just feel like they're not getting enough oxygen. Their actual problem lies elsewhere and is the exact opposite of what they're describing and know for a fact to be true.

[ QUOTE ]
I don't think your average spicy food eater is eating near the heat that this stuff can put off. Not many chug tobasco str8 either. They dilute it by putting it on something.

Get some 357 and slather it on a taco. See how many finish it.


[/ QUOTE ]

I'm not talking about whether getting shot by a bazooka is worse than getting shot by a .22. I'd grant you that. What I'm saying is, just because your pain nerves are stimulated, are you really getting "burned"? I know pain nerves don't always work as simply as that.


[ QUOTE ]
Your mouth itself is one of the fastest healing parts of your body. The more internal you go, meaning down the throat, the worse it tends to get. After all, you can dissolve an aspirin in your mouth. It eats a hole in your stomach.[ QUOTE ]


I dunno, your mouth heals so slowly that even bacteria are fast enough to strip the gums away from your teeth. Mouth sores never seemed to heal particularly quickly for me. The actual question is obviously, though, not how quickly you heal, but whether injury is caused. None of us are spitting blood here no matter how many peppers of whatever type we eat. It's not the quickness of healing that's the thing; it's the fact that there doesn't seem to be any injury. In anybody. At all. Ever. This despite the fact that our pain nerves are stimulated so completely overboard that even tiny amounts of peppers can seem extremely painful.

There seems to be an obvious disconnect between the amount capsacin stimulates your pain nerves and any damage caused. Why is this chemical so particularly painful without causing seemingly any damage whatsoever? There seems to be something unique going on there, and I'm curious about the level of damage that can actually be caused. If there really is any at all, and why it's so completely out of proportion to the pain it causes -- seemingly none at all despite causing enormous pain. Something very contradictory is going on that suggests the pain nerves are not being stimulated in the ordinary way.

Hey, you can always order some and take a swig. Keep some salt or bread near by. Let us know how it goes.

b

[/ QUOTE ]

[bernie]

[ QUOTE ]
There's a big difference between pepper spray and hot sauce.


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Active ingredient in both: capscacin

[/ QUOTE ]

You don't think they dilute it a little in pepper spray?

[ QUOTE ]
What you feel isn't necessarily related at all to what's happening. For instance, some people may think they're not getting enough oxygen, when in fact they're hyperventilating and they just feel like they're not getting enough oxygen. Their actual problem lies elsewhere and is the exact opposite of what they're describing and know for a fact to be true.


[/ QUOTE ]

True. In my case, it was burn. Not hyperventilation. Hyperventalation doesn't have the same after effects that you feel from everywhere the sauce was absorbed.

[ QUOTE ]
I dunno, your mouth heals so slowly that even bacteria are fast enough to strip the gums away from your teeth. Mouth sores never seemed to heal particularly quickly for me. The actual question is obviously, though, not how quickly you heal, but whether injury is caused. None of us are spitting blood here no matter how many peppers of whatever type we eat. It's not the quickness of healing that's the thing; it's the fact that there doesn't seem to be any injury. In anybody. At all. Ever. This despite the fact that our pain nerves are stimulated so completely overboard that even tiny amounts of peppers can seem extremely painful.

There seems to be an obvious disconnect between the amount capsacin stimulates your pain nerves and any damage caused. Why is this chemical so particularly painful without causing seemingly any damage whatsoever? There seems to be something unique going on there, and I'm curious about the level of damage that can actually be caused. If there really is any at all, and why it's so completely out of proportion to the pain it causes -- seemingly none at all despite causing enormous pain. Something very contradictory is going on that suggests the pain nerves are not being stimulated in the ordinary way.


[/ QUOTE ]

You can always call a nurse line or something and ask them.

b

[EliteNinja]

The most I had was 234,000 Scoville Units. It was called "Da Bomb: Ground Zero".

I wanted to put a single drop on my minipizza at work. Unfortunately, a tablespoon of the stuff plopped on.

I was at the water cooler for 3 hours straight. I couldn't do work at all. Just smelling the stuff, you can feel your nostrils catch fire. It was fine for a few seconds, and then slowly, it builds up like a rolling snowball. Though, like a FLAMING snowball.

The heat was still apparent 5 hours later, even after I got home.

The thing about really hot sauces is that you feel it TWICE. Once going in and once going OUT.

RING OF FIRE!

[bernie]

[ QUOTE ]
I wanted to put a single drop on my minipizza at work. Unfortunately, a tablespoon of the stuff plopped on.


[/ QUOTE ]

Did you finish the pizza? /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

It is wierd how it happens. Like you say, at first, it's almost like you get the taste. Then FFFOOOOOMMMM!!! Your mouth, jaws and throat are on fire.

[ QUOTE ]
I was at the water cooler for 3 hours straight.

[/ QUOTE ]

You were the entertainment at the cooler, huh?

b

[Lawrence Ng]

[ QUOTE ]

You were the entertainment at the cooler, huh?

b


[/ QUOTE ]

As if he could talk after that... lol. /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Next time use milk, not water.

Lawrence

[Larimani]

Shipping Method: Airmail Parcel Post

Additional Information:
Please send by insured post!!
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Product ID: 429
Product Name: Blair's 16 Million Reserve
Quantity: 5
Unit Price: $199.95
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Order Total : $999.75
Shipping : $47.00
Handling : $1.00
Grand Total : $1,047.75


Anyone wants to come around mine for a curry?

[Blarg]

WTF a thousand bucks worth of hot sauce? Of almost inedible hot sauce? Now I've seen everything.

[Larimani]

I like my food HOT!... Anyone taking up my offer for a nice dinner?

[Diplomat]

Check out the product review here. (http://www.hotsauceblog.com/hotsaucearchives/blairs-16-million-product-review/)

And that was just 1 crystal.

-Diplomat

[Blarg]

Hotsauceblog.com? LOL. Man, there are some strange things out there. I was tempted to click on the link to the burrito blog, after I stopped laughing at the idea.

Here's a comment from someone at the hotsauceblog site about the review of the 16 million sauce.

[ QUOTE ]
This is the silliest marketing I have ever seen. This is not a “sauce”, it is a chemical - capsaicin, widely available but not to consumers, and for a good reason. It is not used or useful for anything other than as a diluted base for other hot sauces or pepper-sprays; the human tongue cant even tell the difference between 1 and 16 million capsaicin extract!

Battery acid is cheaper, get some of that instead.

[/ QUOTE ]

[Spota]

I buddy of mine from South Africa just gave me a new bottle of hot sauce. It's "Nando's eXtra hot peri-peri sauce".

I have tried 10-20 different bottles of hot sauce. My favorite (although not very hot) is Cholula but Nando's is pretty tasty. Daves Insanity is just plain HOT and IMO, doesnt offer enough flavor. I'll stay away from the pure capsaicin sauce and stick with something with some flavor.

Spota

[slamdunkpro]

First, this technically isn't a "hot sauce" but a commercial food additive. Commercial Food Additives are used when say Hormel is making a batch of 30,000 lbs of chilli. They might put a teaspoon in for heat.

[partygirluk]

[ QUOTE ]
I like my food HOT!... Anyone taking up my offer for a nice dinner?

[/ QUOTE ]

Where do you live?

[Blarg]

I think on the polar ice cap, so he can cram icebergs into his mouth after he eats that sauce.

[Larimani]

45 mins from Central London in Surrey.

[Jim Kuhn]

I love hot foods! I drink packages of fire sauce at Taco Bell. I grow Habanero peppers. A couple of years ago my girlfriend and I would get some beer and take turns taking little bites out of a Habanero. We would chase it with a big sig of cold beer. It was amazing - the beer would completely foam up. She won't do that with me anymore.


Thank you,

Jim Kuhn
Catfish4u
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