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betgo
05-09-2005, 09:53 AM
With the WSOP coming up, I think it is appropriate that I crosspost my guide to playing no limit holdem tournaments in this forum. I know a lot of the players in the WSOP will be using plays from this manual. I feel like Doyle Brunson: everyone is using my plays.

I. Preflop Play

A. The Gap Principle

The gap principle states that you need a bigger hand to raise than to call a raise. In general, you should avoid raising before the flop, but you can limp or call a raise. You can limp with any pair, any two high cards, or any suited or connecting cards. In general, once you have limped in, you can call a raise of any size.

B. Raising

If you must raise, it is generally best to make a miniraise. That way you avoid knocking anyone out of the pot. Since you think you have the best hand, you want as many people in the pot as possible.

Another approach is to open raise from early position for 5-10x BB with KK-99 or AJ-AK. That way you can frequently pick up the pot right there. Plus you can build a big pot and your opponents will feel intimidated that you have such a big hand. Also, if anyone reraises you after such a big raise, you can be pretty sure they have you beat and you can fold.

C. Allin raises by short stacks

If a short stack raises allin rather than making a normal raise or limping that is an indication that he does not have a strong hand and is just trying to steal the blinds. Therefore, you can call with any hand you would normally limp with.

D. Playing the Short Stack

With a short stack, you want to limp in and see as many flops as possible. Remember, you really don’t have anything until you see a flop. However, if you are raised you can call as usual.

Sometimes, you do need to make an allin move. It should usually be made from early position for greater intimidation value. When short stacked, it is good to go allin with any ace.

E. Punishing the Limpers

We will cover an advanced strategy known as “punishing the limpers” that is highly respected by some, although we prefer an alternate approach known as “punishing the raisers.” Punishing the limpers assumes that a limper is unlikely to have a strong hand. This approach may work against players who have not read this manual and are not aware of the advantages of limping with strong hands.

Say there are several limpers in the pot. Then you can push with any two cards, since they will probably all fold, and if not you probably have as good a hand as the one you are called with. Another approach can be used later in the tournament when limping is less common. If there is an early position limper and you are short stacked with 8xBB or less in the CO position or later, you can push with any two cards. The limper cannot have a good hand limping this late in the tournament and will probably fold. If not, you probably have the best hand plus pot odds.

II. Playing the Flop

A. Reading Hands

I will give a couple of examples which will make clear how easy it is to read your opponents hands. Say you limp with A9o, someone raises and you call. If an ace flops, you can put your opponent on a pair of face cards and go allin. If the board comes nine high, you can put your opponent on a big ace and go allin.

Similarly, if you limp with 77, call a raise, and the flop comes with low cards you can put your opponent on AQ or AK and go allin.

B. Playing Top Pair

You should generally be ready to go allin with top pair.

C. Playing Draws

Like top pair, you can generally call or go allin with any draw.

A more cautious approach is to make the absolute minimum bet, such as one BB. This will discourage other players from betting while you have a chance to make your hand. If you follow the advise of this manual, that will be the same way you play a big hand, so it will be difficult for opponents to raise you.

D. If You Flop a Big Hand

If you flop a big hand, it is generally best to go allin right away.

Another approach with a big hand is to trap with it. That involves making the absolute minimum bets on the flop and turn and then pushing on the river.

E. Calling on the Flop

If someone makes a small bet of ½ the pot on the flop, they probably don’t have anything, so you can call with any hand.

F. Bluffing

Bluffing is best made early in the tournament. If your initial bluff is called, follow up by going allin. You can usually intimidate your opponents into folding.

III. Playing Specific Hands

A. Playing AQ

AQ has a reputation as a hand you can lose a lot of money with. While if you understand the contents of this manual you will realize that hands like A6 are much more profitable, AQ can also be profitable if played correctly.

The key is to never raise preflop with AQ. If you raise and an ace or queen doesn’t flop, where are you? For example, if there are two limpers in the pot and you have AQ, you should just limp. This can be a very tricky play. Say someone in late position tries to steal the pot from a bunch of limpers by pushing with AT or KQ. Won’t they be surprised when you call with AQ.

B. Playing AA

If there are several limpers to you with AA or several players have called a raise, you should make a small raise or reraise, not big enough to make anyone fold. Remember, you have a big hand and you want action. If there is one player who has raised, make a very small reraise or flat call to trap him after the flop.

It is OK to bet the flop with AA, but not enough to make anyone fold. If someone else bets, make a small bet or flat call.

The time to make your move with AA is on the turn. You should move allin with AA on the turn no matter what.

C. Playing Medium Pairs

If there are several limpers to you or several players have called a raise, you should always raise or reraise with medium pairs. A small raise to build the pot is good. You can also make a large raise to try to win the pot or get heads up. These hands play much better heads up. With many players, someone is likely to flop a higher pair.

After the flop, you can often play medium pairs to the river. You will be surprised how often a medium pair will hold up.

IV. Miscellaneous Topics

A. Adjusting to the Play of a Table

You should generally follow the lead of the other players at the table. For example, you should play tight at a tight table and loose at a loose table. At the beginning of the tournament, you can play very loose, and make and call bets much bigger than the tiny blinds. However, as the bubble approaches, you should tighten up your play considerably.

B. How to Play the Bubble

This is easy. Don’t play any hands during the bubble period. Then you avoid busting out on the bubble and not making the money. If you have a big hand you feel you have to play, miniraise. That way, you can fold if someone reraises.

In a supersatellite, you should approach the bubble completely differently. In this case, there is no money to win, so the important thing is to win the tournament. If you have a big stack in a supersatellite, you should play aggressively. Reraise people allin to use their irrational fear of busting out to pick up the pot. Call pushes to bust people out. See a lot of flops and always be ready to make a move to pick up the pot.

C. Playing a Rebuy

The key to playing a rebuy is gambling to build a big stack. You don’t have to worry about busting out, since you can always rebuy if you do. You should frequently go allin preflop. Eventually, people will realize that you don’t often don’t have much and will call you, giving you a chance to get lucky and build a big stack. You should generally go allin preflop with any ace.

After the flop, you can generally go allin with any pair or draw.

After the rebuy period, you should generally raise, call a raise, or reraise with any of the limping hands discussed in the first section. If you see a flop, you should generally take your opponent allin in stages, regardless of what cards hit. Usually, your opponents will be intimidated by your aggressive play and fold.

Copyright 2005, Joseph Hammerman.

Hold'me
05-09-2005, 10:23 AM
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C. Allin raises by short stacks

If a short stack raises allin rather than making a normal raise or limping that is an indication that he does not have a strong hand and is just trying to steal the blinds. Therefore, you can call with any hand you would normally limp with.

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Okay, so calling the short stack's all-in with 5-6s is a good move?

jojobinks
05-09-2005, 10:24 AM
it took you that long to find something fishy?

Hold'me
05-09-2005, 10:28 AM
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it took you that long to find something fishy?

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I only read up to that, most of it is flawed though. I guess this was meant to be one of those joke things aye? /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

meow_meow
05-09-2005, 10:39 AM
I guess this is a joke, but where is the funny?

kenberman
05-09-2005, 01:02 PM
I think it's serious

Vincent Lepore
05-09-2005, 01:28 PM
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Okay, so calling the short stack's all-in with 5-6s is a good move?

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Ah...yes. If the short stack is very short say less thsn twice the big blind and you are in the big blind then yes it's a good move. From other positions you need to be a bit cautious because get reraised. Your stack size must also be considered.

Vince

Cleveland Guy
05-09-2005, 03:20 PM
B. Playing AA

If there are several limpers to you with AA or several players have called a raise, you should make a small raise or reraise, not big enough to make anyone fold. Remember, you have a big hand and you want action. If there is one player who has raised, make a very small reraise or flat call to trap him after the flop.


Betgo - this is really terrible advice for how to play AA.

AA when facing many limpers, should always be FOLDED.

Further more, when facing a raise, and callers, AA should always be FOLDED.

Both of those pots will be multiway, and we don't want to be forced to play AA into a multiway pot when we know we will never win with it.

Further more, if stacks are deep, and you get to open with the first bet, you should ALWAYS, ALWAYS go all in with AA pre-flop. This way you can just take the blinds when they are small and not worry about having to make a decision on the flop or turn.

reubenf
05-09-2005, 03:55 PM
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I guess this is a joke, but where is the funny?

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In the replies. Watch which parts of the post people single out as terrible advice. Then wonder what they thought about all the advice that came before whatever they singled out.

d1sterbd
05-09-2005, 04:36 PM
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I guess this is a joke, but where is the funny?

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In the replies. Watch which parts of the post people single out as terrible advice. Then wonder what they thought about all the advice that came before whatever they singled out.

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It is hillarious that people made it past the gap concept and then started asking questions.

Mr. Glass
05-09-2005, 04:48 PM
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I guess this is a joke, but where is the funny?

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"B. Raising

If you must raise, it is generally best to make a miniraise. That way you avoid knocking anyone out of the pot. Since you think you have the best hand, you want as many people in the pot as possible."

Come on, you know that's funny. The whole thing's hilarious. Good stuff. . . .

Cleveland Guy
05-09-2005, 04:57 PM
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I guess this is a joke, but where is the funny?

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In the replies. Watch which parts of the post people single out as terrible advice. Then wonder what they thought about all the advice that came before whatever they singled out.

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It is hillarious that people made it past the gap concept and then started asking questions.

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Just cause I choose to comment on a later section doesn't mean I didn't jsut then get it was a joke.

I just didn't find a need or funny comment to make about the earlier ones.

RELAX PEOPLE

SoSo
05-09-2005, 06:47 PM
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If you must raise, it is generally best to make a miniraise. That way you avoid knocking anyone out of the pot. Since you think you have the best hand, you want as many people in the pot as possible.


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um.....what the hell are u talking about, keeping the pot small so u win [censored] all with monsters??? and making it cheap for another hands to out flop u? have u ever played/won a tournament in your life?

2+2 has a history of useful and accurate information, this is all crap, please delete the post before someone actually adopts this style of play.

SoSo
05-09-2005, 06:49 PM
omg....

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The gap principle states that you need a bigger hand to raise than to call a raise.

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wrong way round, why have u posted this crap?

Moovyz
05-09-2005, 06:58 PM
I'm convinced this was meant as a serious post, although much of it is indeed funny.

It actually looks like a fairly sensible way to play online for fun money. I think that's where he learned this style of poker.

I love the part about not ever raising with A,Q. But then he says that after 2 limpers, I limp with it, then a guy makes a big raise and I'm supposed to call? Them I'm going to surprise his AT of KQ with my AQ? More likely, I just walked into the only hand that would raise here....AA!

TransientR
05-09-2005, 07:25 PM
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I'm convinced this was meant as a serious post, although much of it is indeed funny.

It actually looks like a fairly sensible way to play online for fun money. I think that's where he learned this style of poker.



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The original post was just an overlong and lame joke. The advice is not to be followed online, live, in this universe or some other.

Frank

sfcard
05-09-2005, 07:43 PM
Given some of the replys, I think this is better than just an overlong and lame joke. To someone who immediately recognizes it for what it is, then maybe that is an accurate description. Certainly there are worst posts up right now.

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Piers
05-09-2005, 10:04 PM
I initialy thought it was serious, then I read it and realised it had to be parody.

Publos Nemesis
05-09-2005, 10:12 PM
that's how i play all my free rolls on empire and pp. i have made it to the money too!

IceKing
05-09-2005, 11:53 PM
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omg....

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The gap principle states that you need a bigger hand to raise than to call a raise.

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wrong way round, why have u posted this crap?

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..you must be joking too?! Arent you? Tell me you are? /images/graemlins/grin.gif

wjmooner
05-10-2005, 01:12 AM
This is a funny joke, but for those that couldn't figure that out I'll help:

OP has 1500+ posts. Probably a sign he knows what's up.
Check all of his posts to make sure that 1498 of them aren't in OOT... okay, he's good.

WJ

Yes
05-10-2005, 01:21 AM
just wanted to say that i thought this was a very well written satire. I give you props.Of course,I am the yes account so what do i know.

theRealMacoy
05-10-2005, 04:05 AM
you should be looking for a publisher!
the wider this stuff gets out the better.

cheers,
the Real Macoy

flyingmoose
05-10-2005, 04:26 AM
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You should generally follow the lead of the other players at the table. For example, you should play tight at a tight table and loose at a loose table. At the beginning of the tournament, you can play very loose, and make and call bets much bigger than the tiny blinds. However, as the bubble approaches, you should tighten up your play considerably.

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Gold.

The example with the A9o was great, too.

You guys are wrong, this [censored] is hilarious.

The_Tracker
05-10-2005, 07:14 AM
Some of you need to snap out of it and wipe the drool off your chin. This was obviously a joke (a long one at that) from the "get go".

I didn't read the whole thing but what I did read was spot on to the exact opposite of how you want to play NLH tourney. And the funny is, that you see every one of these plays at one time or another.

Myrtle
05-10-2005, 08:18 AM
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E. Punishing the Limpers



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What's a limper? Would Viagra help here?


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Copyright 2005, Joseph Hammerman.


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OK, I give......Is there some cosmic meaning to this pen name?

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betgo
05-10-2005, 10:09 AM
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I'm convinced this was meant as a serious post, although much of it is indeed funny.

It actually looks like a fairly sensible way to play online for fun money. I think that's where he learned this style of poker.

I love the part about not ever raising with A,Q. But then he says that after 2 limpers, I limp with it, then a guy makes a big raise and I'm supposed to call? Them I'm going to surprise his AT of KQ with my AQ? More likely, I just walked into the only hand that would raise here....AA!

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I posted this before in the multitable forum. No one took it as serious advice. Only in this forum would people think some of the advice was good and quarrel with specific parts of it.

In response to the other poster, yes, I have won several tournaments.

grandgnu
05-10-2005, 04:04 PM
Obvious parody, but I had to stop reading about 1/3 of the way in, my brain was turning to mush.

But seriously, this guy is SPOT ON, and I urge you ALL to play this way, and to come to my home game...please?

trillig
05-10-2005, 10:50 PM
'I know a lot of the players in the WSOP will be using plays from this manual.'

ROLFLMAO!

You went for the big zinger a little too soon, I'd have saved that for the end!

'In general, once you have limped in, you can call a raise of any size.'

That there is sum g00t strategy!

Please use it ALL THE TIME at my tables!
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David/Mason, please publish this ASAP!

I barely got started, I can't wait to read the rest of this g00tness and all the logically
thought out replies too. (of those that believed it especially) /s/

LOL!

-Bri

JohnG
05-11-2005, 09:34 AM
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2+2 has a history of useful and accurate information, this is all crap, please delete the post before someone actually adopts this style of play.

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I think they'll be plenty in this years WSOP who will use this style of play.