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jjb108

05-07-2005, 10:04 PM

Villian is loose PF at 35%. He's not horrible and usually shows down good hands. But he certainly isn't reading this board from what I see of his play. I stacked him earlier (see bottom for that hand /images/graemlins/smile.gif ) I'm playing 1 100NL table as I contemplate moving up again.

At any rate, comments welcomed.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

UTG+1 ($100.5)
Hero ($226.4)
MP2 ($94.62)
CO ($211.2)
Button ($85.65)
SB ($93.5)
BB ($102.1)
UTG ($94.4)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with T/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls $1, UTG+1 raises to $4, Hero calls $4, 2 folds, Button calls $4, 2 folds, UTG calls $3.

Flop: ($17.50) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 bets $5, Hero calls $5, Button folds, UTG calls $5.
Fine here no risk...build the pot right?

Turn: ($32.50) K/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 bets $5, Hero calls $5, UTG raises to $15, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls $10.

I normally raise here and considered reraising except now I'm concerned someones got KK. At the time, I'm trying to build the pot. I usually play this faster. I guess I'll risk the spade.

River: ($67.50) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
UTG bets $25, Do I call here or push? He thinks his hand is good or he puts me on a busted flush draw? I really can't fear KK here can I?

BTW here is earlier hand with Villian

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

UTG+1 ($123)
MP1 ($31.85)
Hero ($134.5)
CO ($89.22)
Button ($114)
SB ($100)
BB ($110.4)
UTG ($88)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls $1, 2 folds, Hero calls $1, CO calls $1, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($5) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $3.5, CO folds, SB folds, BB calls $3.50, UTG calls $3.50.

Turn: ($15.50) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $8, BB calls $8, UTG raises to $30, Hero raises to $130 (All-In), BB folds, UTG calls $53.50 (All-In).

River: ($237) T/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $237

Results in white below: 
UTG has 8s 9s (two pair, nines and eights).
Hero has 7c 5c (straight, ten high).
Outcome: Hero wins $237.

jkkkk

05-07-2005, 10:11 PM

raise the turn!

and yes push the river, although i have a feeling you ran into kk here?

either way i'm re-reraising on the turn, pushing on the river.

Bukem_

05-07-2005, 11:27 PM

YOu realize you slowplayed yourself into oblivion in this hand.

You have a monster, show no strength, fear the very unlikely nuts, and want to call to build the pot. wtf is going on here.

-Skeme-

05-07-2005, 11:29 PM

How is calling on the turn building the pot? People aren't putting any more money in on the river when their draw misses. Make them pay on the turn.

jjb108

05-07-2005, 11:31 PM

I'm beat by KK and 44 on the river. Neither of which goes away if I bet. I want worse hands sticking around don't I?

-Skeme-

05-07-2005, 11:35 PM

Quit fearing KK and 44. If they have either of these you were just unlucky, but don't get scared about things. I don't understand your "If the flush showed" comment, but yes, you want worse hands coming with you, but you also want the pot bigger so they have more reason to call on the end if they have a hand.

jjb108

05-07-2005, 11:35 PM

Thanks for the input, I think the turn is horrible.

In response, turn doesn't build the pot. Flop was an attempt to by hoping for an overcall. Turn, I'm seeing monsters. I should have pushed the turn.

-Skeme-

05-07-2005, 11:37 PM

Push on the turn? Crazy talk. That'll push out nearly everything you want in. Just make a decent raise. $40 seems nice.

jjb108

05-07-2005, 11:40 PM

Thanks, I think this is what I'm looking for. Playing a bit higher than I normally do and missed the raise.

And misunderstand the build the pot. Was thinking it was to drag more in. Not to tie them to the pot to get more on the river.

My comment about the flush card was that never remember that a full house beats a flush /images/graemlins/tongue.gif. Cause I'm a moron. /images/graemlins/smile.gif I didn't think I could slowplay myself into oblivion because anything that beats never goes away even if I bet.

jjb108

05-07-2005, 11:47 PM

Skeme thanks for the multiple comments. Very helpful.

I am unlucky, villian shows 44 and I head back to the kiddie pool for the night. /images/graemlins/frown.gif

Actually, I took some time off and went back to the table later and won a bit back. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

-Skeme-

05-07-2005, 11:47 PM

Did you just call?

jjb108

05-07-2005, 11:48 PM

Nah, I reached down for a pair and shoved it in.

MLerra

05-08-2005, 12:22 AM

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Nah, I reached down for a pair and shoved it in.

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Ballsy... you've got the third best possible hand; you lose to quads, or some guy who decided he should limp/call with KK. Neither of these are very likely. I'll put your opponent on AK or KQ or something. Might be the old "Ooh, paired board. Now I have TWO pairs!"

jjb108

05-08-2005, 10:57 AM

I hated the beat. But after the hand, hated how I played it worse than the beat. I'm not Helmuth and can't lay this down to an opponent with 35 %VPIP. But my game needs some work.
As Skeme pointed out, I didn't build the pot properly when ahead. I didn't charge him the maximum to draw to his 2 outer. Worse case if I do bet is I win the pot.

There was one indication I'm improving. I didn't go on Tilt after my bad play. I posted my bad play and will hopefully learn from it. /images/graemlins/smile.gif