To The Noobs....Optimum Bubble Play

[Degen]

I've seen a lot of questions posted about how to play the bubble and a lot of noobs playing it poorly, and as i estimate my bubble/ITM play accounts for AT LEAST 75% of my ROI, i thought i'd post a pretty 'text book' bubble, IMO.

Feedback/criticism/questions welcome.


Use Replayer (http://teamfu.freeshell.org/replayer.html#) if you don't normally.


Andre


***** Hand History for Game 2014890085 *****
TheStand2 finished in fifth place.
200/400 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12007451) - Sat May 07 21:00:05 EDT 2005
Table Table 12773 (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: TheLage (1490)
Seat 5: stain2 (1325)
Seat 7: perry998 (2435)
Seat 9: Gregg1977 (2750)
Gregg1977 posts big blind (200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TheLage [ Js, 4d ]
TheLage folds.
stain2 raises (450) to 450
perry998 folds.
Gregg1977 folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 650
TheLage balance 1490, didn't bet (folded)
stain2 balance 1525, bet 450, collected 650, net +200
perry998 balance 2435, didn't bet (folded)
Gregg1977 balance 2550, lost 200 (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 2014891325 *****
200/400 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12007451) - Sat May 07 21:00:21 EDT 2005
Table Table 12773 (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: TheLage (1490)
Seat 5: stain2 (1525)
Seat 7: perry998 (2435)
Seat 9: Gregg1977 (2550)
TheLage posts small blind (100)
stain2 posts big blind (200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TheLage [ Tc, Kh ]
perry998 raises (600) to 600
Gregg1977 folds.
TheLage folds.
stain2 calls (400)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 5d, Qh, 3h ]
stain2 checks.
perry998 bets (1300)
stain2 folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 2600
Board: [ 5d Qh 3h ]
TheLage balance 1390, lost 100 (folded)
stain2 balance 925, lost 600 (folded)
perry998 balance 3135, bet 1900, collected 2600, net +700
Gregg1977 balance 2550, didn't bet (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 2014893302 *****
200/400 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12007451) - Sat May 07 21:00:46 EDT 2005
Table Table 12773 (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: TheLage (1390)
Seat 5: stain2 (925)
Seat 7: perry998 (3135)
Seat 9: Gregg1977 (2550)
stain2 posts small blind (100)
perry998 posts big blind (200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TheLage [ Qd, Ad ]
Gregg1977 folds.
TheLage raises (1390) to 1390
TheLage is all-In.
stain2 folds.
perry998 folds.
Creating Main Pot with $1690 with TheLage
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1690
TheLage balance 1690, bet 1390, collected 1690, net +300
stain2 balance 825, lost 100 (folded)
perry998 balance 2935, lost 200 (folded)
Gregg1977 balance 2550, didn't bet (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 2014894946 *****
200/400 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12007451) - Sat May 07 21:01:08 EDT 2005
Table Table 12773 (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: TheLage (1690)
Seat 5: stain2 (825)
Seat 7: perry998 (2935)
Seat 9: Gregg1977 (2550)
perry998 posts small blind (100)
Gregg1977 posts big blind (200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TheLage [ 4c, Jc ]
TheLage folds.
stain2 raises (825) to 825
stain2 is all-In.
perry998 folds.
Gregg1977: hmmm 34s...yeah right
Gregg1977 folds.
Creating Main Pot with $1125 with stain2
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1125
TheLage balance 1690, didn't bet (folded)
stain2 balance 1125, bet 825, collected 1125, net +300
perry998 balance 2835, lost 100 (folded)
Gregg1977 balance 2350, lost 200 (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 2014896960 *****
200/400 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12007451) - Sat May 07 21:01:33 EDT 2005
Table Table 12773 (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button

Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: TheLage (1690)
Seat 5: stain2 (1125)
Seat 7: perry998 (2835)
Seat 9: Gregg1977 (2350)
Gregg1977 posts small blind (100)
TheLage posts big blind (200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TheLage [ Ah, 3h ]
stain2 raises (1125) to 1125
stain2 is all-In.
perry998 folds.
Gregg1977 folds.
TheLage folds.
Creating Main Pot with $1425 with stain2
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1425
TheLage balance 1490, lost 200 (folded)
stain2 balance 1425, bet 1125, collected 1425, net +300
perry998 balance 2835, didn't bet (folded)
Gregg1977 balance 2250, lost 100 (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 2014899214 *****
200/400 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12007451) - Sat May 07 21:02:03 EDT 2005
Table Table 12773 (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: TheLage (1490)
Seat 5: stain2 (1425)
Seat 7: perry998 (2835)
Seat 9: Gregg1977 (2250)
TheLage posts small blind (100)
stain2 posts big blind (200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TheLage [ 3c, Ad ]
perry998 folds.
Gregg1977 folds.
TheLage raises (1390) to 1490
TheLage is all-In.
stain2 folds.
Creating Main Pot with $1690 with TheLage
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1690
TheLage balance 1690, bet 1490, collected 1690, net +200
stain2 balance 1225, lost 200 (folded)
perry998 balance 2835, didn't bet (folded)
Gregg1977 balance 2250, didn't bet (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 2014901100 *****
200/400 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12007451) - Sat May 07 21:02:27 EDT 2005
Table Table 12773 (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: TheLage (1690)
Seat 5: stain2 (1225)
Seat 7: perry998 (2835)
Seat 9: Gregg1977 (2250)
stain2 posts small blind (100)
perry998 posts big blind (200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TheLage [ 5h, 2d ]
Gregg1977 raises (600) to 600
TheLage folds.
stain2 raises (1125) to 1225
stain2 is all-In.
perry998 folds.
Gregg1977: cra middle pair
Gregg1977 calls (625)
Creating Main Pot with $2650 with stain2
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 2h, 9s, 7d ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Kd ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 9d ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 2650 |
Board: [ 2h 9s 7d Kd 9d ]
TheLage balance 1690, didn't bet (folded)
stain2 balance 2650, bet 1225, collected 2650, net +1425 [ Tc Th ] [ two pairs, tens and nines -- Kd,Tc,Th,9s,9d ]
perry998 balance 2635, lost 200 (folded)
Gregg1977 balance 1025, lost 1225 [ 8s 8c ] [ two pairs, nines and eights -- Kd,9s,9d,8s,8c ]

***** Hand History for Game 2014904133 *****
Gregg1977: nh
TheLage: nh
200/400 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12007451) - Sat May 07 21:03:06 EDT 2005
Table Table 12773 (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: TheLage (1690)
Seat 5: stain2 (2650)
Seat 7: perry998 (2635)
Seat 9: Gregg1977 (1025)
perry998 posts small blind (100)
Gregg1977 posts big blind (200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TheLage [ 9d, 7s ]
TheLage folds.
stain2 raises (600) to 600
perry998 folds.
Gregg1977 folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 900
TheLage balance 1690, didn't bet (folded)
stain2 balance 2950, bet 600, collected 900, net +300
perry998 balance 2535, lost 100 (folded)
Gregg1977 balance 825, lost 200 (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 2014906229 *****
300/600 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12007451) - Sat May 07 21:03:33 EDT 2005
Table Table 12773 (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: TheLage (1690)
Seat 5: stain2 (2950)
Seat 7: perry998 (2535)
Seat 9: Gregg1977 (825)
Gregg1977 posts small blind (150)
TheLage posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TheLage [ 8d, 7c ]
stain2 raises (700) to 700
perry998 folds.
Gregg1977 folds.
TheLage folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1150
TheLage balance 1390, lost 300 (folded)
stain2 balance 3400, bet 700, collected 1150, net +450
perry998 balance 2535, didn't bet (folded)
Gregg1977 balance 675, lost 150 (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 2014907568 *****
300/600 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12007451) - Sat May 07 21:03:50 EDT 2005
Table Table 12773 (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: TheLage (1390)
Seat 5: stain2 (3400)
Seat 7: perry998 (2535)
Seat 9: Gregg1977 (675)
TheLage posts small blind (150)
stain2 posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TheLage [ 7d, 2h ]
perry998 folds.
Gregg1977 folds.
TheLage raises (450) to 600
stain2 calls (300)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ As, 3s, 2c ]
TheLage bets (300)
stain2 folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1500
Board: [ As 3s 2c ]
TheLage balance 1990, bet 900, collected 1500, net +600
stain2 balance 2800, lost 600 (folded)
perry998 balance 2535, didn't bet (folded)
Gregg1977 balance 675, didn't bet (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 2014908897 *****
300/600 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12007451) - Sat May 07 21:04:09 EDT 2005
Table Table 12773 (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: TheLage (1990)
Seat 5: stain2 (2800)
Seat 7: perry998 (2535)
Seat 9: Gregg1977 (675)
stain2 posts small blind (150)
perry998 posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TheLage [ 4h, 7h ]
Gregg1977 raises (675) to 675
Gregg1977 is all-In.
TheLage folds.
stain2 calls (525)
perry998 calls (375)
Creating Main Pot with $2025 with Gregg1977
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 3s, 4d, 5s ]
stain2 bets (300)
perry998 folds.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 9d ]
Gregg1977: oh dam....2 callers
** Dealing River ** : [ 6c ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 2025 | Side Pot 1: 300
Board: [ 3s 4d 5s 9d 6c ]
TheLage balance 1990, didn't bet (folded)
stain2 balance 2125, bet 975, collected 300, lost -675 [ Ac Ah ] [ a pair of aces -- Ac,Ah,9d,6c,5s ]
perry998 balance 1860, lost 675 (folded)
Gregg1977 balance 2025, bet 675, collected 2025, net +1350 [ 7s Ad ] [ a straight, three to seven -- 7s,6c,5s,4d,3s ]

***** Hand History for Game 2014911345 *****
300/600 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12007451) - Sat May 07 21:04:40 EDT 2005
Table Table 12773 (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: TheLage (1990)
Seat 5: stain2 (2125)
Seat 7: perry998 (1860)
Seat 9: Gregg1977 (2025)
perry998 posts small blind (150)
Gregg1977 posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TheLage [ 6c, 2s ]
TheLage folds.
stain2 raises (600) to 600
perry998 folds.
Gregg1977 calls (300)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Tc, Jc, 5c ]
Gregg1977 bets (1425)
Gregg1977 is all-In.
stain2 folds.
Creating Main Pot with $2775 with Gregg1977
** Summary **
Main Pot: 2775
Board: [ Tc Jc 5c ]
TheLage balance 1990, didn't bet (folded)
stain2 balance 1525, lost 600 (folded)
perry998 balance 1710, lost 150 (folded)
Gregg1977 balance 2775, bet 2025, collected 2775, net +750

***** Hand History for Game 2014915040 *****
300/600 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12007451) - Sat May 07 21:05:27 EDT 2005
Table Table 12773 (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: TheLage (1990)
Seat 5: stain2 (1525)
Seat 7: perry998 (1710)
Seat 9: Gregg1977 (2775)
Gregg1977 posts small blind (150)
TheLage posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TheLage [ 5d, 4c ]
stain2 folds.
perry998 folds.
Gregg1977 folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 450
TheLage balance 2140, bet 300, collected 450, net +150
stain2 balance 1525, didn't bet (folded)
perry998 balance 1710, didn't bet (folded)
Gregg1977 balance 2625, lost 150 (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 2014915954 *****
300/600 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12007451) - Sat May 07 21:05:40 EDT 2005
Table Table 12773 (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: TheLage (2140)
Seat 5: stain2 (1525)
Seat 7: perry998 (1710)
Seat 9: Gregg1977 (2625)
TheLage posts small blind (150)
stain2 posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TheLage [ 9c, 4h ]
Gregg1977: nut flush draw...
perry998 folds.
Gregg1977 folds.
TheLage folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 450
TheLage balance 1990, lost 150 (folded)
stain2 balance 1675, bet 300, collected 450, net +150
perry998 balance 1710, didn't bet (folded)
Gregg1977 balance 2625, didn't bet (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 2014917081 *****
300/600 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12007451) - Sat May 07 21:05:54 EDT 2005
Table Table 12773 (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: TheLage (1990)
Seat 5: stain2 (1675)
Seat 7: perry998 (1710)
Seat 9: Gregg1977 (2625)
stain2 posts small blind (150)
perry998 posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TheLage [ 2h, Qh ]
Gregg1977 folds.
TheLage raises (1990) to 1990
TheLage is all-In.
stain2 folds.
perry998 folds.
Creating Main Pot with $2440 with TheLage
** Summary **
Main Pot: 2440
TheLage balance 2440, bet 1990, collected 2440, net +450
stain2 balance 1525, lost 150 (folded)
perry998 balance 1410, lost 300 (folded)
Gregg1977 balance 2625, didn't bet (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 2014918504 *****
300/600 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12007451) - Sat May 07 21:06:12 EDT 2005
Table Table 12773 (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: TheLage (2440)
Seat 5: stain2 (1525)
Seat 7: perry998 (1410)
Seat 9: Gregg1977 (2625)
perry998 posts small blind (150)
Gregg1977 posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TheLage [ Kh, Th ]
TheLage raises (2440) to 2440
TheLage is all-In.
stain2 folds.
perry998 folds.
Gregg1977: greed
Gregg1977 folds.
Creating Main Pot with $2890 with TheLage
** Summary **
Main Pot: 2890
TheLage balance 2890, bet 2440, collected 2890, net +450
stain2 balance 1525, didn't bet (folded)
perry998 balance 1260, lost 150 (folded)
Gregg1977 balance 2325, lost 300 (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 2014920016 *****
300/600 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12007451) - Sat May 07 21:06:31 EDT 2005
Table Table 12773 (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: TheLage (2890)
Seat 5: stain2 (1525)
Seat 7: perry998 (1260)
Seat 9: Gregg1977 (2325)
Gregg1977 posts small blind (150)
TheLage posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TheLage [ Tc, 5d ]
stain2 folds.
perry998 folds.
Gregg1977 raises (2050) to 2200
TheLage folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 2500
TheLage balance 2590, lost 300 (folded)
stain2 balance 1525, didn't bet (folded)
perry998 balance 1260, didn't bet (folded)
Gregg1977 balance 2625, bet 2200, collected 2500, net +300 [ Ah Jc ] [ high card ace -- Ah,Jc ]

***** Hand History for Game 2014921492 *****
300/600 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12007451) - Sat May 07 21:06:51 EDT 2005
Table Table 12773 (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: TheLage (2590)
Seat 5: stain2 (1525)
Seat 7: perry998 (1260)
Seat 9: Gregg1977 (2625)
TheLage posts small blind (150)
stain2 posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TheLage [ 2h, 9s ]
perry998 raises (1260) to 1260
perry998 is all-In.
Gregg1977 folds.
TheLage folds.
stain2 folds.
Creating Main Pot with $1710 with perry998
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1710
TheLage balance 2440, lost 150 (folded)
stain2 balance 1225, lost 300 (folded)
perry998 balance 1710, bet 1260, collected 1710, net +450
Gregg1977 balance 2625, didn't bet (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 2014923293 *****
Gregg1977: a 7
400/800 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12007451) - Sat May 07 21:07:14 EDT 2005
Table Table 12773 (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: TheLage (2440)
Seat 5: stain2 (1225)
Seat 7: perry998 (1710)
Seat 9: Gregg1977 (2625)
stain2 posts small blind (200)
perry998 posts big blind (400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TheLage [ 5c, Ks ]
Gregg1977 folds.
TheLage raises (2440) to 2440
TheLage is all-In.
stain2 folds.
perry998 folds.
Creating Main Pot with $3040 with TheLage
** Summary **
Main Pot: 3040
TheLage balance 3040, bet 2440, collected 3040, net +600
stain2 balance 1025, lost 200 (folded)
perry998 balance 1310, lost 400 (folded)
Gregg1977 balance 2625, didn't bet (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 2014924857 *****
Gregg1977: on the button raise every time
Gregg1977: not bad
400/800 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12007451) - Sat May 07 21:07:34 EDT 2005
Table Table 12773 (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: TheLage (3040)
Seat 5: stain2 (1025)
Seat 7: perry998 (1310)
Seat 9: Gregg1977 (2625)
perry998 posts small blind (200)
Gregg1977 posts big blind (400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TheLage [ Ah, Jh ]
TheLage raises (3040) to 3040
TheLage is all-In.
stain2 folds.
perry998 folds.
Gregg1977: a6 should i call it
perry998: yeah
Gregg1977 folds.
Creating Main Pot with $3640 with TheLage
** Summary **
Main Pot: 3640
TheLage balance 3640, bet 3040, collected 3640, net +600
stain2 balance 1025, didn't bet (folded)
perry998 balance 1110, lost 200 (folded)
Gregg1977 balance 2225, lost 400 (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 2014927527 *****
perry998: headds up
400/800 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12007451) - Sat May 07 21:08:08 EDT 2005
Table Table 12773 (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: TheLage (3640)
Seat 5: stain2 (1025)
Seat 7: perry998 (1110)
Seat 9: Gregg1977 (2225)
Gregg1977 posts small blind (200)
TheLage posts big blind (400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TheLage [ 5h, 6c ]
Gregg1977: not suited though
stain2 folds.
perry998 folds.
Gregg1977: need more outs with that crap kicker
Gregg1977 raises (900) to 1100
TheLage folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1500
TheLage balance 3240, lost 400 (folded)
stain2 balance 1025, didn't bet (folded)
perry998 balance 1110, didn't bet (folded)
Gregg1977 balance 2625, bet 1100, collected 1500, net +400 [ Kh 5d ] [ high card king -- Kh,5d ]

***** Hand History for Game 2014929462 *****
400/800 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12007451) - Sat May 07 21:08:33 EDT 2005
Table Table 12773 (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: TheLage (3240)
Seat 5: stain2 (1025)
Seat 7: perry998 (1110)
Seat 9: Gregg1977 (2625)
TheLage posts small blind (200)
stain2 posts big blind (400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TheLage [ Td, 4d ]
perry998 folds.
Gregg1977 folds.
TheLage folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 600
TheLage balance 3040, lost 200 (folded)
stain2 balance 1225, bet 400, collected 600, net +200
perry998 balance 1110, didn't bet (folded)
Gregg1977 balance 2625, didn't bet (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 2014930399 *****
400/800 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12007451) - Sat May 07 21:08:44 EDT 2005
Table Table 12773 (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: TheLage (3040)
Seat 5: stain2 (1225)
Seat 7: perry998 (1110)
Seat 9: Gregg1977 (2625)
stain2 posts small blind (200)
perry998 posts big blind (400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TheLage [ Ts, Qs ]
Gregg1977 folds.
TheLage raises (3040) to 3040
TheLage is all-In.
stain2 folds.
perry998 folds.
Creating Main Pot with $3640 with TheLage
** Summary **
Main Pot: 3640
TheLage balance 3640, bet 3040, collected 3640, net +600
stain2 balance 1025, lost 200 (folded)
perry998 balance 710, lost 400 (folded)
Gregg1977 balance 2625, didn't bet (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 2014931229 *****
Gregg1977: button raise again
400/800 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12007451) - Sat May 07 21:08:55 EDT 2005
Table Table 12773 (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: TheLage (3640)
Seat 5: stain2 (1025)
Seat 7: perry998 (710)
Seat 9: Gregg1977 (2625)
perry998 posts small blind (200)
Gregg1977 posts big blind (400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TheLage [ 4d, 6d ]
TheLage folds.
stain2 raises (1025) to 1025
stain2 is all-In.
perry998 calls (510)
perry998 is all-In.
Gregg1977: 10 8os..hhahah
Gregg1977 folds.
Creating Main Pot with $1820 with perry998
Creating Side Pot 1 with $315 with stain2
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 2d, 2s, 2c ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 3s ]
** Dealing River ** : [ Jh ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1820 | Side Pot 1: 315
Board: [ 2d 2s 2c 3s Jh ]
TheLage balance 3640, didn't bet (folded)
stain2 balance 315, bet 1025, collected 315, lost -710 [ Ac 5s ] [ three of a kind, twos -- Ac,Jh,2d,2s,2c ]
perry998 balance 1820, bet 710, collected 1820, net +1110 [ As Kd ] [ three of a kind, twos with king kicker -- As,Kd,2d,2s,2c ]
Gregg1977 balance 2225, lost 400 (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 2014934578 *****
400/800 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12007451) - Sat May 07 21:09:38 EDT 2005
Table Table 12773 (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: TheLage (3640)
Seat 5: stain2 (315)
Seat 7: perry998 (1820)
Seat 9: Gregg1977 (2225)
Gregg1977 posts small blind (200)
TheLage posts big blind (400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TheLage [ Ts, 7c ]
stain2 folds.
perry998 folds.
Gregg1977 calls (200)
TheLage checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 6s, 5c, 8c ]
Gregg1977 checks.
TheLage bets (400)
Gregg1977 folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1200
Board: [ 6s 5c 8c ]
TheLage balance 4040, bet 800, collected 1200, net +400
stain2 balance 315, didn't bet (folded)
perry998 balance 1820, didn't bet (folded)
Gregg1977 balance 1825, lost 400 (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 2014938075 *****
400/800 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12007451) - Sat May 07 21:10:23 EDT 2005
Table Table 12773 (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: TheLage (4040)
Seat 5: stain2 (315)
Seat 7: perry998 (1820)
Seat 9: Gregg1977 (1825)
TheLage posts small blind (200)
stain2 posts big blind (315)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TheLage [ Js, 9c ]
perry998 raises (800) to 800
Gregg1977 folds.
TheLage folds.
Creating Main Pot with $830 with stain2
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 5d, 8c, Kc ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 7c ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 8h ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 830 | Side Pot 1: 485
Board: [ 5d 8c Kc 7c 8h ]
TheLage balance 3840, lost 200 (folded)
stain2 balance 830, bet 315, collected 830, net +515 [ 8s Qs ] [ three of a kind, eights -- Kc,Qs,8s,8c,8h ]
perry998 balance 1505, bet 800, collected 485, lost -315 [ 6c 6s ] [ two pairs, eights and sixes -- Kc,8c,8h,6c,6s ]
Gregg1977 balance 1825, didn't bet (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 2014939785 *****
400/800 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12007451) - Sat May 07 21:10:44 EDT 2005
Table Table 12773 (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: TheLage (3840)
Seat 5: stain2 (830)
Seat 7: perry998 (1505)
Seat 9: Gregg1977 (1825)
stain2 posts small blind (200)
perry998 posts big blind (400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TheLage [ 3h, 8h ]
Gregg1977 folds.
TheLage folds.
Gregg1977: nice double
stain2 raises (630) to 830
stain2 is all-In.
perry998 calls (430)
Creating Main Pot with $1660 with stain2
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Js, 7d, 7h ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Jc ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 6d ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1660 |
Board: [ Js 7d 7h Jc 6d ]
TheLage balance 3840, didn't bet (folded)
stain2 balance 1660, bet 830, collected 1660, net +830 [ Kc 9c ] [ two pairs, jacks and sevens with king kicker -- Kc,Js,Jc,7d,7h ]
perry998 balance 675, lost 830 [ 8c Qc ] [ two pairs, jacks and sevens -- Qc,Js,Jc,7d,7h ]
Gregg1977 balance 1825, didn't bet (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 2014941692 *****
400/800 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12007451) - Sat May 07 21:11:09 EDT 2005
Table Table 12773 (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: TheLage (3840)
Seat 5: stain2 (1660)
Seat 7: perry998 (675)
Seat 9: Gregg1977 (1825)
perry998 posts small blind (200)
Gregg1977 posts big blind (400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TheLage [ Ad, Jc ]
Gregg1977: wow
TheLage raises (3840) to 3840
TheLage is all-In.
Gregg1977: back from the dead
stain2 folds.
perry998 calls (475)
perry998 is all-In.
Gregg1977 folds.
Creating Main Pot with $1750 with perry998
Creating Side Pot 1 with $3165 with TheLage
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 8c, 2d, 7d ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Td ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 6c ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1750 | Side Pot 1: 3165
Board: [ 8c 2d 7d Td 6c ]
TheLage balance 3165, bet 3840, collected 3165, lost -675 [ Ad Jc ] [ high card ace -- Ad,Jc,Td,8c,7d ]
stain2 balance 1660, didn't bet (folded)
perry998 balance 1750, bet 675, collected 1750, net +1075 [ 9c Kc ] [ a straight, six to ten -- Td,9c,8c,7d,6c ]
Gregg1977 balance 1425, lost 400 (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 2014943031 *****
Gregg1977: jesus
500/1000 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12007451) - Sat May 07 21:11:26 EDT 2005
Table Table 12773 (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: TheLage (3165)
Seat 5: stain2 (1660)
Seat 7: perry998 (1750)
Seat 9: Gregg1977 (1425)
Gregg1977 posts small blind (250)
TheLage posts big blind (500)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TheLage [ 3d, 4d ]
stain2 raises (1660) to 1660
stain2 is all-In.
perry998 folds.
Gregg1977: night night for me?
Gregg1977 folds.
TheLage folds.
Creating Main Pot with $2410 with stain2
** Summary **
Main Pot: 2410
TheLage balance 2665, lost 500 (folded)
stain2 balance 2410, bet 1660, collected 2410, net +750
perry998 balance 1750, didn't bet (folded)
Gregg1977 balance 1175, lost 250 (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 2014945636 *****
Gregg1977: a 10
500/1000 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12007451) - Sat May 07 21:11:59 EDT 2005
Table Table 12773 (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: TheLage (2665)
Seat 5: stain2 (2410)
Seat 7: perry998 (1750)
Seat 9: Gregg1977 (1175)
TheLage posts small blind (250)
stain2 posts big blind (500)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TheLage [ 5s, 6s ]
perry998 raises (1750) to 1750
perry998 is all-In.
Gregg1977 folds.
TheLage folds.
stain2 folds.
Creating Main Pot with $2500 with perry998
** Summary **
Main Pot: 2500
TheLage balance 2415, lost 250 (folded)
stain2 balance 1910, lost 500 (folded)
perry998 balance 2500, bet 1750, collected 2500, net +750
Gregg1977 balance 1175, didn't bet (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 2014947084 *****
500/1000 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12007451) - Sat May 07 21:12:18 EDT 2005
Table Table 12773 (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: TheLage (2415)
Seat 5: stain2 (1910)
Seat 7: perry998 (2500)
Seat 9: Gregg1977 (1175)
stain2 posts small blind (250)
perry998 posts big blind (500)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TheLage [ Ah, Jd ]
Gregg1977 folds.
TheLage raises (2415) to 2415
TheLage is all-In.
stain2 folds.
perry998 folds.
Creating Main Pot with $3165 with TheLage
** Summary **
Main Pot: 3165
TheLage balance 3165, bet 2415, collected 3165, net +750
stain2 balance 1660, lost 250 (folded)
perry998 balance 2000, lost 500 (folded)
Gregg1977 balance 1175, didn't bet (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 2014948068 *****
Gregg1977: water was a little too cold
500/1000 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12007451) - Sat May 07 21:12:31 EDT 2005
Table Table 12773 (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: TheLage (3165)
Seat 5: stain2 (1660)
Seat 7: perry998 (2000)
Seat 9: Gregg1977 (1175)
perry998 posts small blind (250)
Gregg1977 posts big blind (500)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TheLage [ 9d, 8h ]
TheLage folds.
stain2 folds.
perry998 raises (750) to 1000
Gregg1977 raises (675) to 1175
Gregg1977 is all-In.
perry998 calls (175)
Creating Main Pot with $2350 with Gregg1977
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 2c, Qh, 7s ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Ah ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 5c ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 2350 |
Board: [ 2c Qh 7s Ah 5c ]
TheLage balance 3165, didn't bet (folded)
stain2 balance 1660, didn't bet (folded)
perry998 balance 825, lost 1175 [ Js Jh ] [ a pair of jacks -- Ah,Qh,Js,Jh,7s ]
Gregg1977 balance 2350, bet 1175, collected 2350, net +1175 [ Qd Kd ] [ a pair of queens -- Ah,Kd,Qd,Qh,7s ]

***** Hand History for Game 2014949924 *****
500/1000 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12007451) - Sat May 07 21:12:55 EDT 2005
Table Table 12773 (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: TheLage (3165)
Seat 5: stain2 (1660)
Seat 7: perry998 (825)
Seat 9: Gregg1977 (2350)
Gregg1977 posts small blind (250)
TheLage posts big blind (500)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TheLage [ 7c, 9d ]
stain2 folds.
perry998 raises (825) to 825
perry998 is all-In.
Gregg1977 folds.
TheLage calls (325)
Creating Main Pot with $1900 with perry998
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 5d, 6c, 2h ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Jh ]
** Dealing River ** : [ As ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1900 |
Board: [ 5d 6c 2h Jh As ]
TheLage balance 2340, lost 825 [ 7c 9d ] [ high card ace -- As,Jh,9d,7c,6c ]
stain2 balance 1660, didn't bet (folded)
perry998 balance 1900, bet 825, collected 1900, net +1075 [ Ad Qd ] [ a pair of aces -- Ad,As,Qd,Jh,6c ]
Gregg1977 balance 2100, lost 250 (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 2014951432 *****
Gregg1977: nh
500/1000 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12007451) - Sat May 07 21:13:14 EDT 2005
Table Table 12773 (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: TheLage (2340)
Seat 5: stain2 (1660)
Seat 7: perry998 (1900)
Seat 9: Gregg1977 (2100)
TheLage posts small blind (250)
stain2 posts big blind (500)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TheLage [ Kc, Ah ]
perry998 folds.
Gregg1977 folds.
TheLage raises (2090) to 2340
TheLage is all-In.
stain2 folds.
Creating Main Pot with $2840 with TheLage
** Summary **
Main Pot: 2840
TheLage balance 2840, bet 2340, collected 2840, net +500
stain2 balance 1160, lost 500 (folded)
perry998 balance 1900, didn't bet (folded)
Gregg1977 balance 2100, didn't bet (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 2014952759 *****
500/1000 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12007451) - Sat May 07 21:13:31 EDT 2005
Table Table 12773 (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: TheLage (2840)
Seat 5: stain2 (1160)
Seat 7: perry998 (1900)
Seat 9: Gregg1977 (2100)
stain2 posts small blind (250)
perry998 posts big blind (500)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TheLage [ Js, Jh ]
Gregg1977 raises (1700) to 1700
TheLage raises (2840) to 2840
TheLage is all-In.
stain2 folds.
perry998 folds.
Gregg1977 calls (400)
Gregg1977 is all-In.
Creating Main Pot with $4950 with Gregg1977
Creating Side Pot 1 with $740 with TheLage
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 6c, 6h, Qd ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Qs ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 8d ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 4950 | Side Pot 1: 740
Board: [ 6c 6h Qd Qs 8d ]
TheLage balance 5690, bet 2840, collected 5690, net +2850 [ Js Jh ] [ two pairs, queens and jacks -- Qd,Qs,Js,Jh,8d ]
stain2 balance 910, lost 250 (folded)
perry998 balance 1400, lost 500 (folded)
Gregg1977 balance 0, lost 2100 [ Td Tc ] [ two pairs, queens and tens -- Qd,Qs,Td,Tc,8d ]

***** Hand History for Game 2014954570 *****
Gregg1977 finished in fourth place.
500/1000 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12007451) - Sat May 07 21:13:54 EDT 2005
Table Table 12773 (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 3
Seat 1: TheLage (5690)
Seat 5: stain2 (910)
Seat 7: perry998 (1400)
perry998 posts small blind (250)
TheLage posts big blind (500)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TheLage [ 3c, 7h ]
stain2 raises (910) to 910
stain2 is all-In.
Gregg1977: gg all
perry998 folds.
TheLage: sorry gg man
TheLage calls (410)
Creating Main Pot with $2070 with stain2
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Ts, 7s, 2c ]
Gregg1977: ah no prob
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 4h ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 3h ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 2070 |
Board: [ Ts 7s 2c 4h 3h ]
TheLage balance 6850, bet 910, collected 2070, net +1160 [ 3c 7h ] [ two pairs, sevens and threes -- Ts,7h,7s,3c,3h ]
stain2 balance 0, lost 910 [ Jd 9d ] [ high card jack -- Jd,Ts,9d,7s,4h ]
perry998 balance 1150, lost 250 (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 2014956519 *****
stain2 finished in third place and won $60.
Gregg1977: i wasnt going to do it
500/1000 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12007451) - Sat May 07 21:14:19 EDT 2005
Table Table 12773 (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 1: TheLage (6850)
Seat 7: perry998 (1150)
TheLage posts small blind (250)
perry998 posts big blind (500)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TheLage [ 9c, Ah ]
Gregg1977: just so i could make 3rd
Gregg1977: made no sense though
TheLage: ya great bubble
TheLage: we all deserve first
TheLage raises (6600) to 6850
TheLage is all-In.
perry998 folds.
Creating Main Pot with $7350 with TheLage
** Summary **
Main Pot: 7350
TheLage balance 7350, bet 6850, collected 7350, net +500
perry998 balance 650, lost 500 (folded)

***** Hand History for Game 2014958253 *****
Gregg1977: u had a huge chip lead
500/1000 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12007451) - Sat May 07 21:14:41 EDT 2005
Table Table 12773 (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 2
Seat 1: TheLage (7350)
Seat 7: perry998 (650)
perry998 posts small blind (250)
TheLage posts big blind (500)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TheLage [ 5c, 9d ]
TheLage: i DID
perry998 raises (400) to 650
perry998 is all-In.
TheLage: lol
Gregg1977: hard to get first without me double up again
TheLage calls (150)
Creating Main Pot with $1300 with perry998
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 3c, 5h, 8c ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 7c ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 8h ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1300 |
Board: [ 3c 5h 8c 7c 8h ]
TheLage balance 8000, bet 650, collected 1300, net +650 [ 5c 9d ] [ two pairs, eights and fives -- 9d,8c,8h,5c,5h ]
perry998 balance 0, lost 650 [ Ks Jh ] [ a pair of eights -- Ks,Jh,8c,8h,7c ]

[TStokes]

Thanks for posting this Im going to look over it and report back with any questions.

[LeVoodoo]

Well done. I like that you are aggressive but not over-aggressive, picking your spots and even folding several times from the SB when it was folded to you. I think pushing every single time it is folded to you is excessive, though many advocate it.

[ QUOTE ]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TheLage [ 7d, 2h ]
perry998 folds.
Gregg1977 folds.
TheLage raises (450) to 600
stain2 calls (300)

[/ QUOTE ]

Why?

[TStokes]

Very well played levoo beat me to it the only hand I had a question about was the 72 from the small blind every thing else looked great. Maybe im off but with the 72 shouldnt you push if you are going to do something there? or am I way off?

[Degen]

ya good point

i had been raising his blind and each time it folded instantly....refer to scuba's 'internet tells' thread...means he has his CHECK/FOLD button on...so i don't need to risk it all to steal from him, a min raise will take it down if he has it checked...he didn't this time. I also often min-raise the blinds if i have AA or KK, especially when i have been incessantly pushing, to invite them to take a stand and reraise.

I min bet that flop for value, and probably not putting any more chips in if called and i didn't improve.


Andre

[microbet]

***** Hand History for Game 2014907568 *****
300/600 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12007451) - Sat May 07 21:03:50 EDT 2005
Table Table 12773 (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: TheLage (1390)
Seat 5: stain2 (3400)
Seat 7: perry998 (2535)
Seat 9: Gregg1977 (675)
TheLage posts small blind (150)
stain2 posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TheLage [ 7d, 2h ]
perry998 folds.
Gregg1977 folds.
TheLage raises (450) to 600
stain2 calls (300)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ As, 3s, 2c ]
TheLage bets (300)
stain2 folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1500
Board: [ As 3s 2c ]
TheLage balance 1990, bet 900, collected 1500, net +600
stain2 balance 2800, lost 600 (folded)
perry998 balance 2535, didn't bet (folded)
Gregg1977 balance 675, didn't bet (folded)


Same thing as they said. I had copied it to my clipboard already. I just ran through pretty fast, but everything else looked good to me.

Were you just mixing it up, hoping they would put you on a monster?

[TStokes]

Thanks for the explination

[Degen]

[ QUOTE ]

Quote:
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TheLage [ 7d, 2h ]
perry998 folds.
Gregg1977 folds.
TheLage raises (450) to 600
stain2 calls (300)



Why?

[/ QUOTE ] internet tell /images/graemlins/cool.gif

I answered this in depth another spot in this thread.





Andre

[BradleyT]

Much easier done when opponents will fold. I guarantee that at $5, $11, $22 where most of the people here play you would have been called by your 3rd push.

[Degen]

haha everybody is zero'ing in on that...internet tell...see my response to T Stokes

Andre

[microbet]

I saw, after I posted.

[Degen]

[ QUOTE ]
where most of the people here play you would have been called by your 3rd push.

[/ QUOTE ]

And at the 55's too, but for a different reason, they are good players and catch on.

The 33's are a strange land and i've taken journeys higher and i'm sure i will again but you just can't beat the bubble play at the 33's. They're all looking for 3rd.

This was far from a lucky shot, it happens constantly where i'm 4/5 handed and non-chip leader and i have a HUGE stack once ITM...i also get a lot of 4ths /images/graemlins/crazy.gif




Andre

[Matt Walker]

The 72 hand aside the only one I am curious about/would play differently is the 10 7o hand where the sb limps in and UTG will be all in blind the next hand and you checked. Why didn't you shove all in? I think his range of calling hands would have to be extremely tight under the cirumstances. 90+ percent of the time you take that pot down.

Matt

[curtains]

I hate the 72o hand, its almost surely a losing play.

[Degen]

good point...thanks

I'm a very positional player and i'm trying to break myself of only raising pots when i have position. BB pushes just don't come naturally.

Thanks again.

Andre

[Nottom]

Good play (except for the oft mentioned 72o hand) but you have to admit, you had a pretty good run of cards too.

You had a lot of AJ, KT type hands and its easy to be aggressive when you get hands that are likely the best at the table. I don't really remember any spots where you had any particularly close pushes (I guess you did move in with K5o and Q2s, but those seem so big compared to most of my bubble hands ). /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[fluorescenthippo]

I think the T7o from the BB was by far the easiest push.
(unless he never limped before so you thought he was trapping with AA or something)

but what do i know i play the 20s

[Degen]

This was for the new guys.

I wanted them to see that you do push with Q2s on the bubble and raise and bet the flop w/ a duece...AND fold to an all-in w/ A3s to preserve your FE...and call all-ins with trash if they pot is laying you the right odds...and keep the small stacks alive so you can keep the bubble going and steal more blinds (notice besides the 72o hand i didn't move in on the BB much from the SB but i kept raising when i was the button). He was the short stack much of the tourney, i didn't want to bust him.


Andre

[suited_ace]

Very nice post, Andre. I just think that most n00bs aren't playing the $55s, so my questions are:

Would you have pushed the K/images/graemlins/heart.gif T/images/graemlins/heart.gif in a $10+1? Why?

What about the 5/images/graemlins/club.gif K/images/graemlins/spade.gif?

[ilya]

[ QUOTE ]
I also often min-raise the blinds if i have AA or KK, especially when i have been incessantly pushing, to invite them to take a stand and reraise.

[/ QUOTE ]

I prefer to push with the intention of showing if everyone folds. Helps restore FE if everyone folds and gets the max from someone who might have folded after the flop.

[ilya]

Hey Andre,

Do you think the Q2s and the K5o would still be good pushes in the $22s?

[Scuba Chuck]

[ QUOTE ]
Would you have pushed the K T in a $10+1? Why?

[/ QUOTE ]

My guess is you can answer this yourself. Next time it's 4 handed, analyze what YOU are thinking about. I'll guess you're feeling real tight. That you want to make the money, 'cos your so close. You don't want to make a foolish mistake, yada yada yada.

This psychological effect is likely very strong at the lower levels, just as much or more so than the higher levels. This only occurs 4 handed on the lower levels, where I think this expands to 5 handed as you move up.

[ilya]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Would you have pushed the K T in a $10+1? Why?

[/ QUOTE ]

My guess is you can answer this yourself. Next time it's 4 handed, analyze what YOU are thinking about. I'll guess you're feeling real tight. That you want to make the money, 'cos your so close. You don't want to make a foolish mistake, yada yada yada.

This psychological effect is likely very strong at the lower levels, just as much or more so than the higher levels. This only occurs 4 handed on the lower levels, where I think this expands to 5 handed as you move up.

[/ QUOTE ]

Besides, even face up, the hand is only like a 30 chip loser.

[Insty]

[ QUOTE ]
you had a pretty good run of cards too.

[/ QUOTE ]

I think it would be hard not to win with those cards!

[Blarg]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I also often min-raise the blinds if i have AA or KK, especially when i have been incessantly pushing, to invite them to take a stand and reraise.

[/ QUOTE ]

I prefer to push with the intention of showing if everyone folds. Helps restore FE if everyone folds and gets the max from someone who might have folded after the flop.

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't find that gives out the kind of information you might think it does. Anyone would push and definitely want a call with those hands, so pushing them and showing you'll do so doesn't establish credibility on any of the rest of your hands.

When I see someone flashing their AA or KK after a preflop push, I think, "Of course. What else?" It doesn't do a thing to make me think anything about the rest of their pushes. Quite the contrary, I wonder if they think the other players are stupid when flashing, or if they're showing off. Because only a fool would think that a guy flashing his AA or KK means that you'd better watch out, because when he pushes he's got great cards.

Like noted, anyone would push with AA or KK, so I'm not forming an opinion on their pushing that would give them any greater fold equity next time. Maybe less actually, because besides a sort of gleeful or perhaps just borderline retarded braggging, the main purpose of flashing a monster is explicitly to try to steal with crap later.

If you're thinking the next level up and intend to only push monsters after flashing monsters, that's one thing, but in SNG's we usually don't have the luxury of waiting for monsters anyway. I'm figuring the guy flashing AA or KK after an uncalled push is hoping to start stealing with subpar hands really soon.

[Degen]

I agree with most of what you said Blarg, with regard to poker in general and higher level thinking etc.

But this is not the WSOP and these guys are not rocket scientists when it comes to making decisions at the felt. As a rule, I never show my cards, ever. But i can see what he means by this and i do think, with the average bubble 33 player that this could be effective.

Andre

[Degen]

[ QUOTE ]
Very nice post, Andre. I just think that most n00bs aren't playing the $55s, so my questions are:

Would you have pushed the K T in a $10+1? Why?

What about the 5 K?

[/ QUOTE ]

I've played less than 100 $11's lifetime and my records say i'm a losing player /images/graemlins/crazy.gif And this is a 33, not a 55.


Andre

[Degen]

I've played very few 22's as well, so i'm not fully qualified to respond to that. I play at the 33 and 55 levels.

I think what scuba said is probably pretty accurate with regard to people wanting to get in the money. your average Joe Gambler playing the 22's probably has less than $200 in his PartyPoker account, so that $40 would account for over 20% of his current bankroll...meaning that it would mean a lot to him.

Anytime you have a situation where your opponents are trying to get in the money as thier goal, they are going to be playing too tight and you can take advantage of this by stealing their blinds.


Andre

[Nottom]

As an aside to the talk about showing AA/KK. I love when people show their BB when its folded to them. Usually they do this when they either have nothing (show a 72 or a 94) or they had a hand they would call with.

The first mans nothing, the second can be nice information. For example, I was in a SNG the other day wherethere was a shortstack UTG maybe 2BBs. The BB was the second biggest stack (I was a comfortable 3rd). It's folded to the SB (the big stack) who folds, BB shows A5o. Now this might mean nothing, but to me this means "good thing you didn't push cause I was calling" and thus "I have no clue about correct bubble play"

[AA suited]

[ QUOTE ]
This was for the new guys.

I wanted them to see that you do push with Q2s on the bubble and raise and bet the flop w/ a duece...AND fold to an all-in w/ A3s to preserve your FE...and call all-ins with trash if they pot is laying you the right odds...and keep the small stacks alive so you can keep the bubble going and steal more blinds (notice besides the 72o hand i didn't move in on the BB much from the SB but i kept raising when i was the button). He was the short stack much of the tourney, i didn't want to bust him.

Andre

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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (4 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

BB (t1690) <HERO>
UTG (t1125)
Button (t2835)
SB (t2350)

Preflop: HERO is BB with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t1125 (All-In)</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>.

Final Pot: t1425

yeah i was wondering about that fold. it would be +EV to call if you put him on any pair, any ace/king/suited queen or worse.

but -EV if you put him on any pair, any ace, kt+, QJs+

just wondering what you put him on to fold A3s to a smaller stack while you are the blind?

(i would have called because i usually put a short stack on the button as stealing with top 50%. WRONG way to look at it??? Why?)

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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t300 (4 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

HERO (t2140)
BB (t1525)
UTG (t1710)
Button (t2625)

Preflop: HERO is SB with 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>.

Final Pot: t450 to BB

another hand i have would have done differently. With UTG almost as short as he is, there's no way he would have called w/o a premium hand.

Why didn't you steal BB's blind?

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I don't know if he needs a premium hand, but probably needs more than he going to get the majority of the time.

On the other hand this seems like one of those ... do I really need to risk it type of hands. Losing this hand would be really bad for the Hero and winning doesn't really change much. I'd push with a lot of hands here maybe 70-80%, but not with total garbage like 94o.

[Nottom]

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(i would have called because i usually put a short stack on the button as stealing with top 50%. WRONG way to look at it??? Why?)

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I think you are probably giving a typical opponent too much credit here. Unless he has shown me a reason to think hes going to be stealing a lot I'm going to assume hes at least relatively tight.

Plus (and more importantly) this raise was from UTG/CO, not the button and hes not really all the desparate yet (he can go through the blinds and still have good FE), so this should tighten up yoru calling range a bit more.

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I hate the 72o hand, its almost surely a losing play.

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How about pushing the BB? Is that a losing play? Because i would normally have pushed here, but he had been using the check/fold button.


Andre

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[Degen]

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(i would have called because i usually put a short stack on the button as stealing with top 50%. WRONG way to look at it??? Why?)


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Your considerations for +EV and -EV are not completely accurate IMO becaue they don't take into account my lost FE. My gap is rediculously out of control when i'm on the bubble simply because i know how much free money is posted each hand.

Even if i'm a slight fav here, big deal. If i lose i'm crippled. There is no way i'm a big favorite unless he happens to have a K3, Q3, J3 etc.

Hands he could have? QT, J9, A8, 44 etc etc. I'm not calling this if i can see his hand and i'm a 60% favorite to win the pot, because i'm probably a 50% favorite to win the whole thing at this point the way these guys play their blinds.


Andre

[Degen]

Cool thanks for posting this...

the 72o hand was bad on the suface...though as i've said 11 times in this thread so far, he was often using his check/fold button...so i didn't see the need to push...i'd normally push this and i don't think anybody can argue with this being a good push.

Comments on Part 1: Leaky early game. 1) always complete the SB level 1 and no limping UTG w/ AJo.


Andre

[TheUsher]

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Cool thanks for posting this...

the 72o hand was bad on the suface...though as i've said 11 times in this thread so far, he was often using his check/fold button...so i didn't see the need to push...i'd normally push this and i don't think anybody can argue with this being a good push.

Comments on Part 1: Leaky early game. 1) always complete the SB level 1 and no limping UTG w/ AJo.


Andre

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This isn't my game. I posted the hh in a separate thread if you want to say he has a leak in his early play.

[Degen]

Wow that was odd.

Ok well i got through reading the whole thing and the bubble was phenomenal, though a different kind of bubble than i was trying to show. He had a monster stack from the start and played it perfectly and nearly doubled his 4k just in blind steals.

Mine was an example of starting w/ equal stacks and taking advantage of everybody looking for the money.

But great HH nonetheless...put it back up or start a new post Usher, i'm sure people will have some stuff to say about it.


Andre

[Degen]

cool will do..thx

Andre