identifying my td leaks

[lucas9000]

as anyone who has played with me can attest to, i'm not very good at td. that's ok...i just started and i need to learn. as part of that learning i am trying to specifically identify some things i'm doing wrong, rather than just saying "man, do i suck" after losing yet another hand. i know there are others here who are just beginning this game as well, so i think it would be cool to have this thread where people specifically identify leaks in their td game.

here's my first (of many): falling in love with pat 9s. i've lost a lot of bets lately in situations where i'm dealt a pat 9 and bet it the whole way against one or two opponents, only to lose on the end when they make their 7 or 8. that's not to say that playing a pat 9 fast is always bad. but, i need to be better at identifying when my 9 is not necessarily the favorite and should be broken, or even mucked. example: dealt pat 35689. this is big trouble. my opponent(s) would certainly be drawing to a better hand, and i can't really break this hand to have a good draw. in position, against one opponent drawing more than one card, would probably be the time for this hand. but in the sb against 2 opponents, i'm thinking this hand would be better in the muck.

[Luv2DriveTT]

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in position, against one opponent drawing more than one card, would probably be the time for this hand. but in the sb against 2 opponents, i'm thinking this hand would be better in the muck.

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nuf said.

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[RitmoEnElCaos]

There are other considerations, but here is a list of all of the pat 9s and which to break based on how good your redraw is. Negreanu says you are a favorite to improve with 3 draws to go if you are holding one of the good redraws.

Good redraws:
2-3-4-7-9 (8 outs to a 7)
2-3-5-7-9 (8 outs to a 7)
2-4-5-7-9 (8 outs to a 7)

2-3-6-7-9 (8 outs to a 7-6)
2-4-6-7-9 (8 outs to a 7-6)
2-5-6-7-9 (8 outs to a 7-6)

2-3-4-8-9 (12 outs to 8)
2-3-5-8-9 (12 outs to 8)
2-3-6-8-9 (12 outs to 8)
2-3-7-8-9 (12 outs to 8)
2-4-5-8-9 (12 outs to 8)
2-4-6-8-9 (12 outs to 8)
2-4-7-8-9 (12 outs to 8)
2-5-6-8-9 (12 outs to 8)
2-5-7-8-9 (12 outs to 8)
2-6-7-8-9 (12 outs to 8)

3-4-5-8-9 (12 outs to 8)
3-4-6-8-9 (12 outs to 8)
3-4-7-8-9 (12 outs to 8)
3-5-6-8-9 (12 outs to 8)
3-5-7-8-9 (12 outs to 8)
3-6-7-8-9 (12 outs to 8)

Poor redraws:

stand pat
(smoothe nines, poor redraw)
2-3-4-5-9 (only 4 outs to a 7)
2-3-4-6-9 (only 4 outs to a 7-6)
2-3-5-6-9 (only 4 outs to a 7-6)
2-4-5-6-9 (only 4 outs to a 7-6)
3-4-5-6-9 (only 4 outs to an 8)

muck (EP) or stand pat (LP/not facing a raise)
(poor redraws)
3-4-5-7-9 (only 4 outs to a 7)
3-4-6-7-9 (only 4 outs to a 7-6)
3-5-6-7-9 (only 4 outs to a 7-6)
4-5-6-7-9 (only 4 outs to a 7-6)

muck unless stealing or defending vs. possible steal
(rough nine, poor redraw)
4-5-6-8-9
4-5-7-8-9
4-6-7-8-9

Yes, I did this myself. Let me know if you see any mistakes or if you find this helpful. One thing I get out of this table is that I am not standing pat with a 9 very often OOP, which keeps me out of the situation you describe.

-Ritmo

[TakeMeToTheRiver]

Very nice...