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Newt_Buggs
05-05-2005, 06:22 PM
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Button (t775)
Hero (t745)
BB (t870)
UTG (t770)
UTG+1 (t1090)
MP1 (t450)
MP2 (t1565)
MP3 (t815)
CO (t920)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls t30, MP1 calls t30, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t120</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls t90, MP1 calls t90.

Flop: (t390) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t200</font>, UTG+1 calls t200, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to t330 (All-In)</font>, Hero calls t130, UTG+1 calls t130.

Turn: (t1380) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">
hero?

check/fold the turn? Keep in mind that I have the Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif. Any advice on the rest of the hand is welcome as well. With hindsight its obviously easy to say bet more on the flop but I still think 200 is a decent bet on this non-threatening flop to look weak and induce someone to try to bully me.

Freudian
05-05-2005, 06:36 PM
I would push here. I think you have to. Can't fold. I'll have the dunce hat ready though.

Noel Montgomery
05-05-2005, 06:43 PM
Your preflop raise is ok, but I would make it 150-200.
The flop bet is fine. Maybe 100 more...not too important.
Push the turn. You have 300 chips left, overpair, 3rd nut draw...I'm willing to go broke here.

Bigwig
05-05-2005, 06:55 PM
You need to push the flop. You've got a heart draw and overcards to worry about. The pot is tasty now. Take it down, or make someone pay the big price.

Newt_Buggs
05-05-2005, 11:36 PM
As you can probably guess, I like 95% of other players pushed on the turn and obviously ran into a King high flush. The more that I look back on it though, the more convinced that I become that I should have check/folded this turn. With two callers, what do you really think that I'm up against that I can beat? The chance that a single pair is any good after the flush hits is very, very small. Also, although I have the redraw with the Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif its most likely useless. My opponents called a pf raise, implying that any flush is probably A-K high. The chances that the flush not one of these, AND that I hit my 7 outer on the river to make a higher flush is slim to none. I think folding here and saving the remaining 300 chips is the best play.

Furthermore, what am I really giving up by check/folding? How often when I check is he going to push me off of a hand that beats both him and the guy already all in? IE. even in the extreme circumstance that I am still somehow winning or have a shot at winning I'm probably not going to be pushed off of my winning hand.

This is a $30 btw, I would be slightly more inclined to push at a $10

Bigwig
05-05-2005, 11:52 PM
Push the flop.

Nottom
05-06-2005, 12:05 AM
Honestly, the fact that you have an all-in player and no side pot makes checking the turn a possibility. Most players won't take a shot at the pot here without a hand, so you are somewhat protected from a bluff making a bet that much more likely to be the flush.

That said, like everyone else has said, you need to push on the flop.

Freudian
05-06-2005, 12:09 AM
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Furthermore, what am I really giving up by check/folding?

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You are giving up a big pot where you often enough have the best hand.

I don't think it is even a close decision here. But I would probably push after the small stacks all-in on flop. Some hands need the captain to go down with the ship. I think this is one of them.

Newt_Buggs
05-06-2005, 01:41 PM
So you guys are proposing that I push 620 into a pot of 390? Seems like that is kind of overkill, and I would still like 88 to call. Wouldn't betting 300-400 be more prudent and possibly get more action while still forcing my opponents to either push or fold?

You are giving up a big pot where you often enough have the best hand.

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I don't think it is even a close decision here. But I would probably push after the small stacks all-in on flop. Some hands need the captain to go down with the ship. I think this is one of them.

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of course I was dying to push after the small stack went all in...except that his raise all in was less than twice my bet so neither of us could raise. My roommate said that I should have bet half of his stack so that I could reraise all in but we both soon realized that this is ludicrous because its not like i was expecting even one of them to play back at me, let alone both.

DonButtons
05-06-2005, 01:51 PM
Preflop - Make it limpers x2 + 3bb, i think thats dali's rule, im not sure, but it works out pretty good. 30+30=60x2=120 + 3xBB(90)=210 So anywhere from 180-210 is good, I usually make it 205, or 180, if there was 1 limpter, I would make it 150 to go.

Flop-Theres 360 in the pot, you have 745-120 (?), 625, I push the flop no doubt.

Now in your case, when you bet 200, and next guy called, and then short stack pushed for 330, was your only option here to call because it wasnt a full bet raise, because if it let you push, you should of clearly pushed.

Also I dont see why you dont want to push this flop, specailly with one short stack in there who will prob call with anything because of desperation.