Baseball Trivia - 8 ways to get to first base

[ttleistdci]

For all the baseball buffs out there...name the 8 ways to get to first base.

[kenberman]

1.get her drunk

[ttleistdci]

Now that we got the obvious joke over with early, let's see if anyone can get this.

[drexah]

single, hit by pitch, walk, strike out dropped ball, bunt, catcher interferance, error, balk, fielders choice.

illegal pitch (spit ball)
fan interference
player interference

[jason_t]

I thought of nine.

1. Single
2. Walk
3. Hit by pitch
4. Fielders choice
5. Error
6. Pinch Runner
7. Fan interference
8. Catcher interference
9. Strike out dropped by catcher

[davelin]

Hit
Walk
HBP
Error
Fielder's Choice
Catcher Inference
Intentional Walk
Dropped Third Strike

[Duke]

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Now that we got the obvious joke over with early, let's see if anyone can get this.

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I don't even like baseball and I heard this about 5 years ago.

~D

[FouTight]

FC
E
H
Hit Batsman
W
Strike out, Passed ball (error?)

[ttleistdci]

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single, hit by pitch, walk, strike out dropped ball, bunt, catcher interferance, error, balk, fielders choice, pinch runner.

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You got the 8, but that's it. A bunt is the same thing as a single/hit. And a balk does not give the batter first base...it only advances any runners already on base.

[MrX]

1. walk
2. HBP
3. catcher interference
4. dropped 3rd strike
5. single
6. fielder's choice
7. fan interference
8. error
9. pinch runner

This sure seems like 9 to me, although the fan interference one may be a stretch, but i can envision several scenarios where 1st base would probably be awarded.

MrX


Edit: add a 10th: runner impedance (1st baseman/pitcher without the ball blocks path of runner to 1st base)

MrX

[RogerZBT]

I think ESPN the mag recently had 20 different ways to get on first. Some were quite obscure like 'replacing a player who had been traded in the time between a game being suspended and the game concluding.'

[RunDownHouse]

http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a1_299.html

Closest I could come!

[Dead]

There are actually more than 8 ways:

1) Walk
2) Intentional walk
3) Hit by pitch
4) Dropped third strike
5) Failure to deliver pitch within 20 seconds
6) Catcher interference
7) Fielder interference
8) Spectator interference
9) Fan obstruction
10) Fair ball hits an umpire
11) Fair ball hits a runner
12) Fielder obstructs runner
13) Pinch-runner
14) Fielder's choice
15) Force out at another base
16) Preceding runner put-out allows batter to reach first
17) Sac bunt fails to advance runner
18) Sac fly dropped
19) Runner called out on appeal
20) Error
21) Four illegal pitches
22) If a game is suspended with a runner on first and that player is traded prior to the makeup, another player can take his place
23) Base hit

[jdl22]

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14) Fielder's choice
15) Force out at another base
16) Preceding runner put-out allows batter to reach first
17) Sac bunt fails to advance runner

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Same thing, no? Similarly a walk and intentional walk are the same thing as far as the rules right? Also, dropped sac fly should be an error. Your list is full of redundancy.

In a similar vein I have several to add:
1. throwing error by third baseman
2. attempted double play that doesn't get batter out at first
3. runner on first tagged out going to second allows batter to get to first
4. center fielder drops fly ball
5. hit by pitch in the thigh
6. ground ball between short stop and third baseman
7. blooper over the second baseman's head
8. hit by pitch in arm
9. second baseman throwing error
10. runner on second tagged out
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edited various times in failed attempt at humor.

[Dead]

No.

[Beerfund]

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There are actually more than 8 ways:

1) Walk
2) Intentional walk
3) Hit by pitch
4) Dropped third strike
5) Failure to deliver pitch within 20 seconds
6) Catcher interference
7) Fielder interference
8) Spectator interference
9) Fan obstruction
10) Fair ball hits an umpire
11) Fair ball hits a runner
12) Fielder obstructs runner
13) Pinch-runner
14) Fielder's choice
15) Force out at another base
16) Preceding runner put-out allows batter to reach first
17) Sac bunt fails to advance runner
18) Sac fly dropped
19) Runner called out on appeal
20) Error
21) Four illegal pitches
22) If a game is suspended with a runner on first and that player is traded prior to the makeup, another player can take his place
23) Base hit

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A lot of these are the same, a dropped sac fly is an error, failed to advance runner on a sac bunt is a fielders choice............ /images/graemlins/confused.gif

[kyro]

hmmmm....

basehit
error
walk
strikeout, catcher drops the ball
balk
hit batsman
fielder's choice

and....

um...

pinch run for someone /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[kyro]

forgot about catcher interference. I thought fan interference was just ruled as a basehit. I was kidding about the pinch runner thing but I guess I was right.

[tpir90036]

Your list is dreadful.

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6) Catcher interference
7) Fielder interference
12) Fielder obstructs runner

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These are absurd. Why don't you just list every position and obstruction/interference to add on a dozen extra?

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8) Spectator interference
9) Fan obstruction

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14) Fielder's choice
15) Force out at another base
16) Preceding runner put-out allows batter to reach first
17) Sac bunt fails to advance runner


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18) Sac fly dropped
20) Error

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22) If a game is suspended with a runner on first and that player is traded prior to the makeup, another player can take his place


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Finally! A good one that has not been mentioned.

[RunDownHouse]

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22) If a game is suspended with a runner on first and that player is traded prior to the makeup, another player can take his place


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Finally! A good one that has not been mentioned.

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Umm... except for about two posts above his.

[ttleistdci]

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There are actually more than 8 ways:

1) Walk
2) Intentional walk
3) Hit by pitch
4) Dropped third strike
5) Failure to deliver pitch within 20 seconds
6) Catcher interference
7) Fielder interference
8) Spectator interference
9) Fan obstruction
10) Fair ball hits an umpire
11) Fair ball hits a runner
12) Fielder obstructs runner
13) Pinch-runner
14) Fielder's choice
15) Force out at another base
16) Preceding runner put-out allows batter to reach first
17) Sac bunt fails to advance runner
18) Sac fly dropped
19) Runner called out on appeal
20) Error
21) Four illegal pitches
22) If a game is suspended with a runner on first and that player is traded prior to the makeup, another player can take his place
23) Base hit

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You just said the same listed the same few things about 5 different ways. Might as well have listed "Walked on 3-2 count, Walked on 3-1 count, walked on 3-0 count, hit in head, in on right foot, hit on left foot, etc."

[tdarko]

come on dead you know better than this.

[DrPublo]

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There are actually more than 8 ways:

1) Walk
2) Intentional walk
3) Hit by pitch
4) Dropped third strike
5) Failure to deliver pitch within 20 seconds
6) Catcher interference
7) Fielder interference
8) Spectator interference
9) Fan obstruction
10) Fair ball hits an umpire
11) Fair ball hits a runner
12) Fielder obstructs runner
13) Pinch-runner
14) Fielder's choice
15) Force out at another base
16) Preceding runner put-out allows batter to reach first
17) Sac bunt fails to advance runner
18) Sac fly dropped
19) Runner called out on appeal
20) Error
21) Four illegal pitches
22) If a game is suspended with a runner on first and that player is traded prior to the makeup, another player can take his place
23) Base hit

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This was in SI about 4 years ago. Dead is 100% correct.

The Doc

[mostsmooth]

without looking:
base hit
walk
error
catcher interference(fielder interference)
fielders choice
hbp
pinch runner
wild pitch on strikeout (passed ball being an error)

[tdarko]

then SI is retarded...14 & 15 are the same thing as well as 18 & 20.

[mostsmooth]

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There are actually more than 8 ways:

1) Walk
2) Intentional walk
3) Hit by pitch
4) Dropped third strike
5) Failure to deliver pitch within 20 seconds
6) Catcher interference
7) Fielder interference
8) Spectator interference
9) Fan obstruction
10) Fair ball hits an umpire
11) Fair ball hits a runner
12) Fielder obstructs runner
13) Pinch-runner
14) Fielder's choice
15) Force out at another base
16) Preceding runner put-out allows batter to reach first
17) Sac bunt fails to advance runner
18) Sac fly dropped
19) Runner called out on appeal
20) Error
21) Four illegal pitches
22) If a game is suspended with a runner on first and that player is traded prior to the makeup, another player can take his place
23) Base hit

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This was in SI about 4 years ago. Dead is 100% correct.

The Doc

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dead may be right in that it was in SI, but its still redundant, very redundant, and just because SI printed it, doesnt make it not redundant.

[NoChance]

Balk (when batter already has 3 balls)

[mostsmooth]

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then SI is retarded...14 & 15 are the same thing as well as 18 & 20.

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14,15,19 are the same, among others

[FishNChips]

walk
hit by pitch
base hit
reach on error
catcher interference
runner hit by batted ball in fair territory
fielders choice

hmmm.... I can't get the 8th one?
FishNChips

[ttleistdci]

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then SI is retarded...14 & 15 are the same thing as well as 18 & 20.

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I'd say 13 and 22 are the same too. If a player on 1st is traded before the suspended game is resumed, then someone is pretty much just pinch running for him, no?

[FishNChips]

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single, hit by pitch, walk, strike out dropped ball, bunt, catcher interferance, error, balk, fielders choice, pinch runner.


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You got the 8, but that's it. A bunt is the same thing as a single/hit. And a balk does not give the batter first base...it only advances any runners already on base.

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see, when I see things like this I expect the OP to actually know the correct answer. Given what I read here, that clearly is not the case. LAME!

Specifically:
"strikeout dropped ball" is an error. This item is redundant.
I did not consider "pinch running" as I made an (incorrect) assumption that the OP was asking for 8 ways a "batter" could reach first. I don't believe that spectator/fan interference allows anyone to reach base. The application of fan interference is used in favor of the defense, not the offense.
Re: catcher/fielder interference, they are the same as well, my list should have said "fielder" interference. So, I submit an actual 8 item list:

1 - Base Hit
2 - Fielder's Choice
3 - Error
4 - Walk
5 - Hit by pitch
6 - fielder interference
7 - batted ball strikes a runner in fair territory
8 - pinch runner

I'm not 100% on this but whoever said a ball hits an umpire is incorrect. A batted ball that hits an umpire in fair territory is still live. Wherever it goes it goes.
The illegal pitch comment is interesting... I'm actually not sure on this one and don't care enough to google, though I'm hoping someone will.

If you're going to post a question, have the freakin' correct answer!

FishNChips

[Kurn, son of Mogh]

Walk, HBP, hit safely, Catcher's Interference, safe on error, fielder's choice, obstruction, dropped 3rd strike, runner hit by batted ball. Hey wait, that's 9.

[ttleistdci]

see, when I see things like this I expect the OP to actually know the correct answer. Given what I read here, that clearly is not the case. LAME!

FYI, I did not post those answers that you posted in your response. It was a quote from another poster.
See, when I see people flaming me like this, I expect the poster to know the difference between my comments/answers and someone else's. Clearly this is not the case. LAME!

[tdarko]

yes you are right, there was plenty wrong with the list but i was multi-tasking and just listed the first one i saw.

i can't believe this was in SI.

[FouTight]

FIshNChips I agree with you except I dont think a wild pitch is considered an error, right? It's is own stat, just a wild pitch. So, a 3rd strike wild pitch would be another way to reach base. I'm probably way off on this though.

[YourFoxyGrandma]

Running, walking, you could crawl, I guess.

[RunDownHouse]

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I'm not 100% on this but whoever said a ball hits an umpire is incorrect. A batted ball that hits an umpire in fair territory is still live...

If you're going to post a question, have the freakin' correct answer!

FishNChips

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If you're going to post a smarmy pseudo-flame, read the whole thread.

"According to 7.05 (i), 'on ball four or strike three, when the pitch misses the catcher and lodges in the umpire's mask or paraphernalia,' the batter and runners are entitled to advance one base."

[Lazymeatball]

What category does an A-Rod glove slap fall under?

[Randy_Refeld]

I have seen a lot of inaccuracies in this thread. WHen the batter reaches on a dropped third strike it is not an error; it is either a passed ball or a wild pitch. When the batter reaches on catcher's interference that is scored an error. When a batted ball strikes the umpire after passing a fielder it is a live ball. There is no such thing as "fielder's interference" it is called obstruction; there is catcher's interference and interference (interference is when a member of the hitting team inerfers with the fielding team). Ok I guess I will list 8 ways to get to forst (I dont' know if 8 is complete or not).

1. 1B
2. BB
3. HB
4. K followed by PB or WP
5. E
6. FC
7. obstruction
8. pinch runner for a runner at first

[MrX]

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"According to 7.05 (i), 'on ball four or strike three, when the pitch misses the catcher and lodges in the umpire's mask or paraphernalia,' the batter and runners are entitled to advance one base."

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My favorite one yet

[youtalkfunny]

Let me add to the corrections:

A dropped sac fly is NOT an error, if the scorer feels the runner would've advanced if the ball had been caught. Batter stays on first, and is not charged with an AB.

[RacersEdge]

I got 7...

hit
walk
HBP
error
strikeout, but catcher drops ball
FC
pinch-run

[RacersEdge]

and catcher's intereference...

I've never seen "fan interference" though..

[Justin A]

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Balk (when batter already has 3 balls)

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No. Balks only advance runners.

[Hank Rearden]

A personal favorite of mine is "Is it possible to get 3 outs on one play without having a fielder ever touch the ball?"

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[PokerNoob]

Sure. Bases loaded. Guy hits a home run and passes everybody on the basepath.

Or is he just out? I'm sure some combination of people passing each other on the basepaths would lead to 3 outs.

[tpir90036]

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A personal favorite of mine is "Is it possible to get 3 outs on one play without having a fielder ever touch the ball?"

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Well if the bases were loaded with no outs and all 3 players ran into the stands to eat Cracker Jacks and f**k some skanks I would imagine they would all be out for leaving the base path.

[bort411]

Without looking it up:

1. Hit
2. Walk
3. Hit by pitch
4. Strike 3 dropped
5. Error
6. Catcher interference
7. Pitcher balk with 3 balls?
8. Can't think of another.

[FishNChips]

you are officially an idiot!

You responded to the list by the poster and said "you got it" with a minor correction taking the bunt off the list because its the same as a hit. I understood that the list was from someone else, but you're agreeing that it was correct, with one minor correction, is the same as you giving the answer.

I shall no longer read any threads that you start. Have a nice day.

FishNChips

[FishNChips]

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I'm not 100% on this but whoever said a ball hits an umpire is incorrect. A batted ball that hits an umpire in fair territory is still live...

If you're going to post a question, have the freakin' correct answer!

FishNChips


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If you're going to post a smarmy pseudo-flame, read the whole thread.

"According to 7.05 (i), 'on ball four or strike three, when the pitch misses the catcher and lodges in the umpire's mask or paraphernalia,' the batter and runners are entitled to advance one base."

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Here is what was posted in Dead's list:

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10) Fair ball hits an umpire

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The rule your are siting does not cover this. The rule you are sighting covers advancement of runners in the case a ball becomes lodged in an umpires equipment. It's not dealing with a ball in fair territory hitting an umpire. If you're going to call me smarmy and correct me then know what the hell you are talking about. Thanks for siting the rule, its an interesting one, but does not apply to what I was correcting.

FishNChips

[Randy_Refeld]

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10) Fair ball hits an umpire



The rule your are siting does not cover this. The rule you are sighting covers advancement of runners in the case a ball becomes lodged in an umpires equipment. It's not dealing with a ball in fair territory hitting an umpire. If you're going to call me smarmy and correct me then know what the hell you are talking about. Thanks for siting the rule, its an interesting one, but does not apply to what I was correcting.


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I don't have a copy of the rules in front of me but I believe the batter is entitled to first base if the ball strikes an umpire prior to passing a fielder other than the pitcher. In MLB this doesn't happen, but at lower levels with a 2 man crew it could.

[ttleistdci]

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you are officially an idiot!

You responded to the list by the poster and said "you got it" with a minor correction taking the bunt off the list because its the same as a hit. I understood that the list was from someone else, but you're agreeing that it was correct, with one minor correction, is the same as you giving the answer.

I shall no longer read any threads that you start. Have a nice day.

FishNChips

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Please do go back to that list and tell me after I took off balk and bunt, what else is incorrect oh mighty one? The other 8 he listed are, in fact, correct.

Somehow, the threat of no longer reading my threads just isn't devasting coming from a person whose post count is 68.

[DrPublo]

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I'm not 100% on this but whoever said a ball hits an umpire is incorrect. A batted ball that hits an umpire in fair territory is still live. Wherever it goes it goes.


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It depends if the fielder has yet had a chance to make a play on the ball. If not, its a dead ball and all runners advance.

The Doc

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Balk (when batter already has 3 balls)

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No. Balks only advance runners.

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I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

I think what people are thinking of is when a pitcher goes to his mouth when on the mound. That's a ball, unless the ump has ruled it is cold enough to allow pitchers to go to their mouths. If the pitcher does it four times, or if he does it when there already are 3 balls, it's a walk. So I don't think that constitutes a way for a batter to reach first that is "separate" from a base on balls.

[DrPublo]

I'm pretty sure a fielder's choice refers only to batted balls on the infield that are used to make a force at a base other than first, like when a ball to the short stop is used to make a play at third. This usually involves making an out on a leading runner before making a relay throw to first. However, if a runner hesistates on the basepaths because theres a bloop into the outfield, the ball drops in and the fielder is able to make a force out on the runner at 2nd, for example, that is not a fielder's choice.

I have 5 yrs experience as an AAU and Babe Ruth federated umpire. I'm quite sure the list is correct.

The Doc

[The Stranger]

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10) Fair ball hits an umpire



The rule your are siting does not cover this. The rule you are sighting covers advancement of runners in the case a ball becomes lodged in an umpires equipment. It's not dealing with a ball in fair territory hitting an umpire. If you're going to call me smarmy and correct me then know what the hell you are talking about. Thanks for siting the rule, its an interesting one, but does not apply to what I was correcting.


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I don't have a copy of the rules in front of me but I believe the batter is entitled to first base if the ball strikes an umpire prior to passing a fielder other than the pitcher. In MLB this doesn't happen, but at lower levels with a 2 man crew it could.

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With runners on, the second base umpire is stationed in the infield in the MLB 4-man mechanics.

And

6.08
The batter becomes a runner and is entitled to first base without liability to be put out (provided he advances to and touches first base) when_ (a) Four "balls" have been called by the umpire; A batter who is entitled to first base because of a base on balls must go to first base and touch the base before other base runners are forced to advance. This applies when bases are full and applies when a substitute runner is put into the game. If, in advancing, the base runner thinks there is a play and he slides past the base before or after touching it he may be put out by the fielder tagging him. If he fails to touch the base to which he is entitled and attempts to advance beyond that base he may be put out by tagging him or the base he missed. (b) He is touched by a pitched ball which he is not attempting to hit unless (1) The ball is in the strike zone when it touches the batter, or (2) The batter makes no attempt to avoid being touched by the ball; If the ball is in the strike zone when it touches the batter, it shall be called a strike, whether or not the batter tries to avoid the ball. If the ball is outside the strike zone when it touches the batter, it shall be called a ball if he makes no attempt to avoid being touched. APPROVED RULING: When the batter is touched by a pitched ball which does not entitle him to first base, the ball is dead and no runner may advance. (c) The catcher or any fielder interferes with him. If a play follows the interference, the manager of the offense may advise the plate umpire that he elects to decline the interference penalty and accept the play. Such election shall be made immediately at the end of the play. However, if the batter reaches first base on a hit, an error, a base on balls, a hit batsman, or otherwise, and all other runners advance at least one base, the play proceeds without reference to the interference. If catcher's interference is called with a play in progress the umpire will allow the play to continue because the manager may elect to take the play. If the batter runner missed first base, or a runner misses his next base, he shall be considered as having reached the base, as stated in Note of Rule 7.04 (d). Examples of plays the manager might elect to take: 1. Runner on third, one out, batter hits fly ball to the outfield on which the runner scores but catcher's interference was called. The offensive manager may elect to take the run and have batter called out or have runner remain at third and batter awarded first base. 2. Runner on second base. Catcher interferes with batter as he bunts ball fairly sending runner to third base. The manager may rather have runner on third base with an out on the play than have runners on second and first. In situations where the manager wants the "interference" penalty to apply, the following interpretation shall be made of 6.08 (c): If the catcher (or any fielder) interferes with the batter, the batter is awarded first base. If, on such interference a runner is trying to score by a steal or squeeze from third base, the ball is dead and the runner on third scores and batter is awarded first base. If the catcher interferes with the batter with no runners trying to score from third on a squeeze or steal, then the ball is dead, batter is awarded first base and runners who are forced to advance, do advance. Runners not attempting to steal or not forced to advance remain on the base they occupied at the time of the interference. If the catcher interferes with the batter before the pitcher delivers the ball, it shall not be considered interference on the batter under Rule 6.08 (c). In such cases, the umpire shall call "Time" and the pitcher and batter start over from "scratch." (d) A fair ball touches an umpire or a runner on fair territory before touching a fielder. If a fair ball touches an umpire after having passed a fielder other than the pitcher, or having touched a fielder, including the pitcher, the ball is in play.


--TG
Graduate of the Jim Evans Academy of Professional Umpiring

[Josh W]

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There are actually more than 8 ways:

1) Walk
2) Intentional walk
3) Hit by pitch
4) Dropped third strike
5) Failure to deliver pitch within 20 seconds
6) Catcher interference
7) Fielder interference
8) Spectator interference
9) Fan obstruction
10) Fair ball hits an umpire
11) Fair ball hits a runner
12) Fielder obstructs runner
13) Pinch-runner
14) Fielder's choice
15) Force out at another base
16) Preceding runner put-out allows batter to reach first
17) Sac bunt fails to advance runner
18) Sac fly dropped
19) Runner called out on appeal
20) Error
21) Four illegal pitches
22) If a game is suspended with a runner on first and that player is traded prior to the makeup, another player can take his place
23) Base hit

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As somebody else mentioned, this is straight from SI. Also, ESPN the Mag reprinted this about a month ago.

For those who say that there are redundancies here, you are wrong. 14 and 15 are different as Doc already pointed out. 19 isnt even remotely close to somebody who said it was the same as 14 and 15. Not even close.

18 and 20, and i started a thread on this two weeks ago. If a sac fly is dropped and the runner scores AND THE OFFICIAL SCORER ASSUMES THE RUNNER WOULDA SCORED ANYWAY (which is what makes it a sac fly), then the batter is 0-0, with an RBI. If the batter reaches on error, he's 0-1.

If it's scored different, it IS different.

As such, and IBB is different than a BB.

A dropped third strike is very often a wild pitch, which is NOT an error.

Catchers interference is when the catcher interferes with the batter.

Fielder's interference is when a player other than the catcher catches a pitched ball.

Players intereference is obvious, and different that either of these.

If anybody can think of other "redundancies" that I've missed here, ask, and I'll show how they are different.

Josh

[mostsmooth]

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For those who say that there are redundancies here, you are wrong. 14 and 15 are different as Doc already pointed out. 19 isnt even remotely close to somebody who said it was the same as 14 and 15. Not even close.

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the appeal isnt what made the batter take first as far as 19 goes. its whatever happened on the field, granted it may not be a fc every time but its definitely one of the other choices. perhaps an example would sway me.
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18 and 20, and i started a thread on this two weeks ago. If a sac fly is dropped and the runner scores AND THE OFFICIAL SCORER ASSUMES THE RUNNER WOULDA SCORED ANYWAY (which is what makes it a sac fly), then the batter is 0-0, with an RBI. If the batter reaches on error, he's 0-1.

[/ QUOTE ] so youre saying if a sac fly is dropped, the batter takes first, hes 0-0, and theres no error charged? youre wrong.i could be wrong, but youre wrong.
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As such, and IBB is different than a BB.

[/ QUOTE ] wow, we should let bonds know he doesnt hold the single season record for walks any more.


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[jesusarenque]

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There are actually more than 8 ways:

1) Walk
2) Intentional walk
3) Hit by pitch
4) Dropped third strike
5) Failure to deliver pitch within 20 seconds
6) Catcher interference
7) Fielder interference
8) Spectator interference
9) Fan obstruction
10) Fair ball hits an umpire
11) Fair ball hits a runner
12) Fielder obstructs runner
13) Pinch-runner
14) Fielder's choice
15) Force out at another base
16) Preceding runner put-out allows batter to reach first
17) Sac bunt fails to advance runner
18) Sac fly dropped
19) Runner called out on appeal
20) Error
21) Four illegal pitches
22) If a game is suspended with a runner on first and that player is traded prior to the makeup, another player can take his place
23) Base hit

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You left out hard-hit liner to left, hard-hit liner to right, blooper to center, infield hit to the thrid basement, infield hit to the pitcher, blooper just over the second baseman's head....I'd say there are at least 958754435.

[Josh W]

I never said "no error" in the dropped sac fly example. But the batter is 0-0, not 0-1...So I'm not sure how I was wrong.

you are watching a baseball game with a buddy. You get up to grab a beer, come back and there's a runner on first. You say "how'd he get on?" If it was an IBB, your buddy would say "IBB" instead of "BB", right? They are different, are scored different, and since the list that Dead quoted came from the MLB HOF, baseball agrees with me.

Josh

[ttleistdci]

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As such, and IBB is different than a BB.

[/ QUOTE ] wow, we should let bonds know he doesnt hold the single season record for walks any more.


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Agreed. IBB is the same as a BB...they're scored the same. If you're gonna say that they're two different things, then a single up the middle, a blooper into left, a single down the line, a bunt to third, and an infield single are also all different things.

[ttleistdci]

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you are watching a baseball game with a buddy. You get up to grab a beer, come back and there's a runner on first. You say "how'd he get on?" If it was an IBB, your buddy would say "IBB" instead of "BB", right? They are different

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Quite possibly the dumbest logic I've heard all day.

[Josh W]

Who holds the record for most bloop singles to left field in a season?

Who holds the record for most IBBs in a season?

If you can find the answer to one of these but not the other, then you'll realize that your comparison was apples and oranges.

Josh

[mostsmooth]

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I never said "no error" in the dropped sac fly example. But the batter is 0-0, not 0-1...So I'm not sure how I was wrong.

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so youre agreeing the batter reashes first on the error?

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you are watching a baseball game with a buddy. You get up to grab a beer, come back and there's a runner on first. You say "how'd he get on?" If it was an IBB, your buddy would say "IBB" instead of "BB", right? They are different, are scored different, and since the list that Dead quoted came from the MLB HOF, baseball agrees with me.

Josh

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my friend would probably say "they walked him". is an ibb a walk or not?
if not,how does bonds hold the record for walks in a season?

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As such, and IBB is different than a BB.

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Agreed. IBB is the same as a BB...they're scored the same. If you're gonna say that they're two different things, then a single up the middle, a blooper into left, a single down the line, a bunt to third, and an infield single are also all different things.

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i didnt say they were the same, im saying an ibb is a walk.

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As such, and IBB is different than a BB.

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Agreed. IBB is the same as a BB...they're scored the same. If you're gonna say that they're two different things, then a single up the middle, a blooper into left, a single down the line, a bunt to third, and an infield single are also all different things.

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i didnt say they were the same, im saying an ibb is a walk.

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further, any other avtivities on the field that result in a batter getting a walk, would fall under walk. if the pitcher delays more than 20 seconds 4 times in a row (and they actually call a ball each time, imagine that), he has walked. he hasnt "reached first base due to the pitchers delay", he walked. you might make some other special notes somewhere, but he got 4 balls and walked. just like if a batter doesnt get in the box in time and the umpire starts calling strikes. 3 times and you have struck out, no notes, its a k.

[Josh W]

you come back, score went from zero-zero to one-zero. I'm sure your buddy would say "they got a basehit", too, instead of HR.

Yes, in the SacFly arguement that he reaches on an error, but 0-0 is different with 0-1.

Do you know the difference between 0-1 and 0-0?

Do you know the difference between and IBB and a non-I BB?

If you answer those questions with a "yes", then I think we're done here. If you answer them with a "no", I assume you'll open another browser and go google them.

But, most importantly, realize that I'm just a messenger. The list Dead posted was straight from the MLB HOF. There are 23 official ways to reach first base. If you disagree, take it up with MLB. (no, I'm not sure why it's coming from the HOF, but it is...)

Josh

[Elecman]

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Balk (when batter already has 3 balls)

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Is this true? I played baseball for over 10 years and never knew this....
I'm gonna feel dumb if it is, but i think it's not. (don't ream me if it is)

[DrPublo]

Not true. A pitcher's balk only applies to runners on base. Same for a catcher's balk.

The Doc

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how does bonds hold the record for walks in a season?

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He holds the record for most TOTAL walks in a season as well as most IBBs in a season. I do not believe he holds the record for most BBs in a season.

The fact that there exist separate categories for walks and IBBs really ends this argument.

The Doc

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you come back, score went from zero-zero to one-zero. I'm sure your buddy would say "they got a basehit", too, instead of HR.

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he might if there was a man on third

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Yes, in the SacFly arguement that he reaches on an error, but 0-0 is different with 0-1.

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reaching on an error has been covered already.

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Do you know the difference between 0-1 and 0-0?

[/ QUOTE ]we arent asking for the difference between 0-1 and 0-0, we are defining how the batter reached first. in this case the batter reaches first on an error.

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Do you know the difference between and IBB and a non-I BB?

[/ QUOTE ] yes and they are both walks. batter reaches on a walk has been covered. no need to mention reaching on an ibb, it is covered by walk.

[Josh W]

There's no NEED to mention ANYTHING other than "there's a runner on first". But there are 23 officially different/unique ways. Sure, some are subsets of others (i.e. many are subsets of "batted balls", multiple are subset of "errant pitches", some are subsets of "fielding gaffes")

But there are 23 ways that are each scored differently. "line drive to center" and "bloop to left" aren't scored differently. IBB and BB are scored differently.

23.

Josh

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There's no NEED to mention ANYTHING other than "there's a runner on first". But there are 23 officially different/unique ways. Sure, some are subsets of others (i.e. many are subsets of "batted balls", multiple are subset of "errant pitches", some are subsets of "fielding gaffes")

But there are 23 ways that are each scored differently. "line drive to center" and "bloop to left" aren't scored differently. IBB and BB are scored differently.

23.

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how they score it and how he reached can be different for all i care, but the fact that he reaches on an error doesnt change. he got on because of an error.

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There's no NEED to mention ANYTHING other than "there's a runner on first". But there are 23 officially different/unique ways. Sure, some are subsets of others (i.e. many are subsets of "batted balls", multiple are subset of "errant pitches", some are subsets of "fielding gaffes")

But there are 23 ways that are each scored differently. "line drive to center" and "bloop to left" aren't scored differently. IBB and BB are scored differently.

23.

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and if you are going to claim ibb arent covered under walks, then i will claim 2b,3b,hr are not covered under "basehits", as they are definitley scored differently

[Josh W]

Right, but you can't get to first base with a 2b, 3b, or HR.

Or else you'd be right.

[Jack of Arcades]

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Right, but you can't get to first base with a 2b, 3b, or HR.

Or else you'd be right.

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Yes, you reach first base on all of these.

[jstnrgrs]

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single, hit by pitch, walk, strike out dropped ball, bunt, catcher interferance, error, balk, fielders choice, pinch runner.

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You got the 8, but that's it. A bunt is the same thing as a single/hit. And a balk does not give the batter first base...it only advances any runners already on base.

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A balk does advance the batter to first base if it occurs with 3 balls, and no one on base.

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You got the 8, but that's it. A bunt is the same thing as a single/hit. And a balk does not give the batter first base...it only advances any runners already on base.

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see, when I see things like this I expect the OP to actually know the correct answer. Given what I read here, that clearly is not the case. LAME!

Specifically:
"strikeout dropped ball" is an error. This item is redundant.
I did not consider "pinch running" as I made an (incorrect) assumption that the OP was asking for 8 ways a "batter" could reach first. I don't believe that spectator/fan interference allows anyone to reach base. The application of fan interference is used in favor of the defense, not the offense.
Re: catcher/fielder interference, they are the same as well, my list should have said "fielder" interference. So, I submit an actual 8 item list:

1 - Base Hit
2 - Fielder's Choice
3 - Error
4 - Walk
5 - Hit by pitch
6 - fielder interference
7 - batted ball strikes a runner in fair territory
8 - pinch runner

I'm not 100% on this but whoever said a ball hits an umpire is incorrect. A batted ball that hits an umpire in fair territory is still live. Wherever it goes it goes.
The illegal pitch comment is interesting... I'm actually not sure on this one and don't care enough to google, though I'm hoping someone will.

If you're going to post a question, have the freakin' correct answer!

FishNChips

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a strike out droped ball does not count as an error (errors apply specifically to fielding)

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I thought of nine.

1. Single
2. Walk
3. Hit by pitch
4. Fielders choice
5. Error
6. Pinch Runner
7. Fan interference
8. Catcher interference
9. Strike out dropped by catcher

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If you are going to list single, I'd think you would also list double, triple, and home run.

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5) Failure to deliver pitch within 20 seconds

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I've never heard of this rule. Has anyone ever seen it called?

[CardSharpCook]

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For all the baseball buffs out there...name the 8 ways to get to first base.

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walk, hit, error, FC, K, HBP, PR, damn...

[jstnrgrs]

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Balk (when batter already has 3 balls)

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No. Balks only advance runners.

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Unless there are no runners, in which case they count as balls.

[jstnrgrs]

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Not true. A pitcher's balk only applies to runners on base. Same for a catcher's balk.

The Doc

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Unless there are no runners.

[jstnrgrs]

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A personal favorite of mine is "Is it possible to get 3 outs on one play without having a fielder ever touch the ball?"

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Edit: I thought this would be a cleaver reply. Turns out that it has already been sugested twice. I'll try to come up with another.

Sure. Basses loaded, batter hits a fly ball, all runners run into the outfield, and are cleed out for leaving the basepath.

[Josh W]

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Balk (when batter already has 3 balls)

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No. Balks only advance runners.

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Unless there are no runners, in which case they count as balls.

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No, not even kind of. The reason a balk is penalized is because it tricks base runners. If there are none, it's not illegal at all. You can be herky jerky, step towards first when you pitch, seperate your hands early, not to a complete stop when coming set, etc...with no penalty when no runners are on.

Josh

[NoChance]

Regarding balks from Baseball Almanac (http://baseball-almanac.com/rule8.shtml) .

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8.02 The pitcher shall not-

(a) (1) Bring his pitching hand in contact with his mouth or lips while in the 18 foot circle surrounding the pitching rubber.

EXCEPTION: Provided it is agreed to by both managers, the umpire prior to the start of a game played in cold weather, may permit the pitcher to blow on his hand.

PENALTY: For violation of this part of this rule the umpires shall immediately call a ball. However, if the pitch is made and a batter reaches first base on a hit, an error, a hit batsman or otherwise, and no other runner is put out before advancing at least one base, the play shall proceed without reference to the violation. Repeated offenders shall be subject to a fine by the league president.

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Edit: I guess it's technically not a balk. A balk can only be called with runners on base but above is what I was refferring to.

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Sure. Basses loaded, batter hits a fly ball, all runners run into the outfield, and are cleed out for leaving the basepath.

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this is wrong. runners run out of the baseline all the time and are not called out.

[The Stranger]

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Not true. A pitcher's balk only applies to runners on base. Same for a catcher's balk.

The Doc

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Unless there are no runners.

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It doesn't matter how many times you say it, you are still wrong. There is no such thing as a balk with no runners on base.


8.05
If there is a runner, or runners, it is a balk when_ (a) The pitcher, while touching his plate, makes any motion naturally associated with his pitch and fails to make such delivery; If a left-handed or right-handed pitcher swings his free foot past the back edge of the pitcher's rubber, he is required to pitch to the batter except to throw to second base on a pick off play. (b) The pitcher, while touching his plate, feints a throw to first base and fails to complete the throw; (c) The pitcher, while touching his plate, fails to step directly toward a base before throwing to that base; Requires the pitcher, while touching his plate, to step directly toward a base before throwing to that base. If a pitcher turns or spins off of his free foot without actually stepping or if he turns his body and throws before stepping, it is a balk. A pitcher is to step directly toward a base before throwing to that base but does not require him to throw (except to first base only) because he steps. It is possible, with runners on first and third, for the pitcher to step toward third and not throw, merely to bluff the runner back to third; then seeing the runner on first start for second, turn and step toward and throw to first base. This is legal. However, if, with runners on first and third, the pitcher, while in contact with the rubber, steps toward third and then immediately and in practically the same motion "wheels" and throws to first base, it is obviously an attempt to deceive the runner at first base, and in such a move it is practically impossible to step directly toward first base before the throw to first base, and such a move shall be called a balk. Of course, if the pitcher steps off the rubber and then makes such a move, it is not a balk. (d) The pitcher, while touching his plate, throws, or feints a throw to an unoccupied base, except for the purpose of making a play; (e) The pitcher makes an illegal pitch; A quick pitch is an illegal pitch. Umpires will judge a quick pitch as one delivered before the batter is reasonably set in the batter's box. With runners on base the penalty is a balk; with no runners on base, it is a ball. The quick pitch is dangerous and should not be permitted. (f) The pitcher delivers the ball to the batter while he is not facing the batter; (g) The pitcher makes any motion naturally associated with his pitch while he is not touching the pitcher's plate; (h) The pitcher unnecessarily delays the game; (i) The pitcher, without having the ball, stands on or astride the pitcher's plate or while off the plate, he feints a pitch; (j) The pitcher, after coming to a legal pitching position, removes one hand from the ball other than in an actual pitch, or in throwing to a base; (k) The pitcher, while touching his plate, accidentally or intentionally drops the ball; (l) The pitcher, while giving an intentional base on balls, pitches when the catcher is not in the catcher's box; (m)The pitcher delivers the pitch from Set Position without coming to a stop. PENALTY: The ball is dead, and each runner shall advance one base without liability to be put out, unless the batter reaches first on a hit, an error, a base on balls, a hit batter, or otherwise, and all other runners advance at least one base, in which case the play proceeds without reference to the balk. APPROVED RULING: In cases where a pitcher balks and throws wild, either to a base or to home plate, a runner or runners may advance beyond the base to which he is entitled at his own risk. APPROVED RULING: A runner who misses the first base to which he is advancing and who is called out on appeal shall be considered as having advanced one base for the purpose of this rule. Umpires should bear in mind that the purpose of the balk rule is to prevent the pitcher from deliberately deceiving the base runner. If there is doubt in the umpire's mind, the "intent" of the pitcher should govern. However, certain specifics should be borne in mind: (a) Straddling the pitcher's rubber without the ball is to be interpreted as intent to deceive and ruled a balk. (b) With a runner on first base the pitcher may make a complete turn, without hesitating toward first, and throw to second. This is not to be interpreted as throwing to an unoccupied base.

Rule 2.00-BALK
A BALK is an illegal act by the pitcher with a runner or runners on base, entitling all runners to advance one base.

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Sure. Basses loaded, batter hits a fly ball, all runners run into the outfield, and are cleed out for leaving the basepath.

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this is wrong. runners run out of the baseline all the time and are not called out.

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Technically it's not wrong.

However, a more plausible albeit just as unlikely scenario would be a sky high pop up in which the runner at 2nd tends to hold the base but a confuse runner from first takes off and inadvertantly passes by the runner on 2nd tripping him in the process. The batter is out on the infield fly rule. The runner from first is out for passing the runner on 2nd.

The 3rd out occurs when the ball lands upon the head of the tripped runner near 2nd base.

I think a good director could make this look good in a movie but it's doubtful to happen in real life.