B&M Hourly rates for $2/$5 NLHE

[DavidC]

Just curious what you guys are making per hour if you're a winning NLHE player at a live cardroom with 2/5 blinds.

Someone told me that a winning 1/2 player would probably move up before sample size allowed a reasonable calculation of winrate, and that they would move to 2/5.

Therefore I ask about the 2/5 winrates.

Please answer if you can.

--Dave.

[Pokrok]

I deal 2/5 Hold Em four days a week. I am not sure if it can be beaten due to the nature of the house take + tips + bad beat allocation. 2/5 tends to have bigger tippers in the game coupled with a 3 dollar to 3.50 drop and a 1 to 2 dollar bad beat drop. From my limited experiance (3 1/2 years) I have yet seen a person beat the game CONSISTANTLY. Hope this helps =o)

Cory

[mosch]

It really depends on the texture of the game more than anything else. In my experience, sustained winrates of $40+/hr are entirely possible by excellent players in good but not fantastic games.

[mosch]

This is a bad joke.

Small live NL games are some of the most crushable games being spread at the moment. Perhaps you don't realize that you don't need to win every night to have a real nice win at the end of the year.

[bicyclekick]

this pokrok guy is way off. The bellagio $2/$5 game is so killable. OMG easy game. And I suck at no limit.

[soah]

It sounds like your local 2/5 game would be a goldmine if any of us could find it.

[Yarney]

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It really depends on the texture of the game more than anything else. In my experience, sustained winrates of $40+/hr are entirely possible by excellent players in good but not fantastic games.

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I believe this entirely. I actually had an hourly rate going of ~$40 at a 1/2 nl game over a period of three months. It has since dropped some, due to some cold sessions, but I am supremely confident that it can be brought back up, even at the lower level NL.

-Yarney

[Pokrok]

My apoligies! I did not read this post properly. I was reffering to 2/5 limit hold em. Again, sorry for responding to a post I did not take the time to read properly.

Cory

[highlife]

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My apoligies! I did not read this post properly. I was reffering to 2/5 limit hold em. Again, sorry for responding to a post I did not take the time to read properly.

Cory

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what is 2/5 limit? i've never heard of that. what card room do you deal at?

[DavidC]

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My apoligies! I did not read this post properly. I was reffering to 2/5 limit hold em. Again, sorry for responding to a post I did not take the time to read properly.

Cory

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That makes sense, then. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Thanks though.

I think if you're in a pretty bad LHE game where you can consistently win 3bb+/100 hands, then you're probably looking at a game where they play 20-25 hands per hour and you could therefore make about 0.75bb / hour, or: about $3.75, right (1/2 blinds and 2/5 bets)?

Obviously, winning 2/100 at a 20/40 lhe game (10/20 blinds) that played 30-35 hands per hour, you'd be doing much better. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

--Dave.

Edit: And if you can beat a 2/5 game for that much after rake, you should be moving up!!!

[Pokrok]

I deal in Colorado. State law is five dollar max bet. My casino spreads games of 2/5 Hold Em, 5/5 Hold Em, 3/5 Omaha Hi/Lo and 1/5;2/5 7 Card Stud.

Cory

[ACPlayer]

Is this based on actual meticulous record keeping?

If so over how many hours?

[goofball]

i agree. every mick who wants to come play "allin poker" sits down at the bellagio 2/5 NL. It could be the most consistently soft game in town.

[mosch]

Yes.

Enough.

I'm not going to engage in a winate accuracy dick-swinging contest. I've been playing for long enough to understand the difference between a sustainable winrate and a heater. $40/hr is completely feasible in a good game.

[ACPlayer]

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[dogmeat]

I agree. The Bellagio $2/$5 NL is free money. $25-$50 per hour, depending on the number of WPT watchers at the table. IMHO, due to my rather lackluster accomplishments at the limit $15/$30 (>$30 hour), it is an easy decision to play the NL game, especially with a much lower variance and BR requirement.

In the long run, it is tough thinking that I need to get to $30/$60 AND improve to equal the $2/$5 NL or just a couple tables of multi-table online. MMMMMMMMM /images/graemlins/confused.gif

Dogmeat /images/graemlins/spade.gif

[MLerra]

I'd imagine that $40/hour is reasonable at the $2/5 tables. In Vegas, I averaged $35/hour at the $1/2 tables. This was over 34 hours in one week. I would estimate I got lucky, and a reasonable winrate expectancy would be around $25/hour.

For those interested, I took pretty meticulous notes after each session. All in all, I had AA only once, but was able to get two people all-in on the flop and not get outdrawn. My other big hands were one four of a kind (for which I received a bonus $25 on the wheel at Excalibur), one straight, one A-high flush, three pocket-overpair hands, two top-two pair hands, and one bottom-two pair hand. The rest were unnoteworthy hands of one pair or less, in which I won or lost a small pot.

Again, I was quite lucky in that I was only outdrawn one time - my two pair against flush draw all-in on the flop. I made around $1200 over this time, though I could have reasonably expected less had I got outdrawn as often as I should have... I'd estimate I'd have made $900 instead, which comes out to around $26/hour.

Though this was my first time playing in a casino, I did learn to practice some prudent table selection towards the end of my trip. And I NEVER played while under the influence.

So given a wholehearted attempt, if people say the $2/5 games average $25-50/hour... I'll likely stay at the lower limits. For one thing, people exaggerate, and if they say $25-50, they mean $10-30. I'd much rather play for $25/hour than $30/hour with the possible swings of $2/5 being $500 or more. The people, I'd imagine, are more fun too at the lower levels.