Is This A Bad Call?

[-Skeme-]

A hand my friend played earlier today at $200 NL. No reads on Villain. As an explanation he says he thought it was a "strange betting pattern." Does anybody like this? Comments please. Thanks.

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (9 handed)

Button ($124.75)
SB ($63)
BB ($173.25)
UTG ($155.55)
Hero ($200)
MP1 ($16.75)
MP2 ($136.80)
MP3 ($226.80)
CO ($115.65)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $2, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $6</font>, BB calls $4, Hero calls $4.

Flop: ($18) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $10</font>, SB folds, BB calls $10.

Turn: ($38) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $26</font>, Hero calls $26.

River: ($90) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $102</font>, Hero calls $102.

Final Pot: $294
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[JaBlue]

Your friend played this hand pretty horribly and this betting pattern isn't unusual. When someone check-calls a flop bet and then leads into me on fourth street on a paired board I'm thinking that he's got trips and have to dump it there because I don't want to call a huge river bet.

[-Skeme-]

Ditto. Do you just fold the turn?

[-Skeme-]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (9 handed)

Button ($124.75)
SB ($63)
BB ($173.25)
UTG ($155.55)
Hero ($200)
MP1 ($16.75)
MP2 ($136.80)
MP3 ($226.80)
CO ($115.65)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $2, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $6</font>, BB calls $4, Hero calls $4.

Flop: ($18) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $10</font>, SB folds, BB calls $10.

Turn: ($38) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $26</font>, Hero calls $26.

River: ($90) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $102</font>, Hero calls $102.

Final Pot: $294

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has As Js (one pair, nines).
Hero has Qd Ac (two pair, queens and nines).
Outcome: Hero wins $294. </font>

[vetman81]

I play $50NL on Party, so I know it doesnt really compare, but I have noticed that a lot of the bad players do this quite a bit. Most of the time it is a sign of weakness or trying to get a cheap turn card to hit a draw.

Edit: I meant the lead bet on the turn, not the river bet.

[ghostface]

Does raising to turn to like 75 pot commit you too much to fold if he comes over the top?

Also, I agree. Why would Villain let Hero bet again on the turn and then c/r?

[TheWorstPlayer]

You think he raised something with a 9 from the SB? It is possible, but not that likely, IMO. I would more expect to see AA/KK than something with a 9, really. But I think it IS a strange betting pattern. Why not check/raise the turn if he has a 9?

[mythrilfox]

When your average party player stop-n-goes trips are the last thing on my mind.

Perhaps I'm being results oriented but the river bet is very awkward to me. People very rarely bet full pot (or a slight overbet for that matter) on the river with a good hand.

[Malachii]

Before reading any of the other posts, I think where he really went bad was the preflop call. Under the gun, the only offsuit high cards that I'm playing is AK.

[TheWorstPlayer]

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Before reading any of the other posts, I think where he really went bad was the preflop call. Under the gun, the only offsuit high cards that I'm playing is AK.

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This isn't a bad point, although it is pretty tight. Heck, though, tight is right, right? Anyways, thought I would add that another thing I think is pretty bad is the flop bet. What does it accomplish? It does two things: a)protects against a two outer (ok, 3 if he has a K) and b)plays right into Villain's hands. I think it's an easy check for pot control and deception.

[-Skeme-]

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People very rarely bet full pot (or a slight overbet for that matter) on the river with a good hand.

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I do this frequently.

[cfb1739]

I really don't like this at all. First, I will almost never feel good about getting all of my money in w/ a pair of queens.

Second, the small blind is showing quite a bit of strength. He raised before the flop, he check called a $10 bet on a flop w/ no draws (he must have a hand). Then he leads out for 2/3 of the pot on the turn and pushes the river. He is doing this with less than a pair of queens? I doubt it.

Absent a read on villain that would lead hero to believe villain is bluffing, this is an absolutely terrible call, IMO.

[emil3000]

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Before reading any of the other posts, I think where he really went bad was the preflop call. Under the gun, the only offsuit high cards that I'm playing is AK.

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That is too tight if you can play.