Obligatory "Is Party 3/6 tightening up?" thread

[mannika]

Okay, I know these threads come up all the time, and I hate them more than the next guy, but over the past few days I have seriously been noticing that Party 3/6 has been quite tight. I'm currently looking around and having a very hard time finding a table with a VPIP > 25%. Seems as if there are just tons of < 15% VPIPs hanging around, probably multitabling (I blame college kids without summer jobs).

Anyone else finding this as well? If not, feel free to reply with the obligatory "You're crazy."

[sumdumguy]

Isn't it better to just play on Prima?

[obsidian]

Last night was crazy. I found some great tables that made me think I was back at .5/1. Someone with 90+ VPIP, couple with 80+, and a few more with 30-40+. Helped make it a 5BB/100 night which would have been higher if I didn't make the worst fold ever. Needless to say, NEVER think you are outkicked by someone who reraises and has a VPIP of 70 when your kicker is a T, even when they are very passive.

[crazy canuck]

Sorry to hijack the thread this early but somehow I find the statments:

"too many multi-tablers on party"

and

"we're not valuable to party"

contradictory.

Yes I agree that $3-6 is getting tighter and tighter. I hope college kids will loosen things up in the summer and that granny is right and sites will start a massive ad campaign during/after WSOP.

[BusterStacks]

Yes, over the past few days I have had to make due with 11bb/100. Friggin' rocks...

[mannika]

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Yes, over the past few days I have had to make due with 11bb/100. Friggin' rocks...

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I've had to make due with -9.17bb/100. Over 1200 hands. God this sucks.

The downswing is probably just making me think that the tables are worse than they actually are.

[Yobz]

My first decent downswing in a long while, -8BB/100...

[FlFishOn]

Switch to NL.

Since 2/10/05 I've logged two losing days. I'm not rich but I'm happy.

[mannika]

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Switch to NL.

Since 2/10/05 I've logged two losing days. I'm not rich but I'm happy.

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I used to play NL actually, maybe I'll give it a shot again. Those 6-max NL tables are sweeeeet.

[arizona]

I'm seriously thinking of moving down to 2/4 because of the tight 3/6 games. I'm hoping to beat the 2/4 games for 3bb/100 which would be the same as beating 3/6 for 2bb (minus the difference in rakeback).

Since I'm only beating the 3/6 for 1.5 bb/100 anyways, this would hopefully increase my win rate. Last year I was beating 3/6 at a little bit over 2bb/100 . I guess I could just work on improving my game instead of moving down because I can't hack it at 3/6. Not sure what I will do, yet.

I think the tightness of 3/6 has to do with the fact that it is relatively easy to beat without having to be an expert in poker. It's sort of like the top limit for the 'good' players so everyone that has read a few books and practiced for a bit gravitates to multi-tabling 3/6. Anything higher takes a lot more time and effort and anything lower isn't worth the time to a lot of people. At least that's my opinion.

[NoChance]

I already moved down a limit. May as well work on some things at the lower limit while the games are tight.

[DMBFan23]

obligatory "yes" answer

[Yobz]

So I joined a random high avg-pot 3/6 game...man, is it a blind-stealing fest or what, jeez.

Edit: After nearly 50 hands, the table vpip is 18 and pfr is 9!

[fooz]

Can't Pokertracker tell us?

In the summary tab down at the bottom, there's a VPIP for all players. Could someone with a large DB or at least over a long period of time provide this VPIP for different time frames. Even with 3-6 months, weekly data might be interesting. Anyone?

[scotty34]

Beating 2/4 for 3BB/100 is pretty optimistic is it not? I am currently at 1.9BB/100 there after 15K hands, and I have been running fairly well. Maybe I'm just not at that level yet, but 3 seems awfully high.

[chesspain]

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Okay, I know these threads come up all the time, and I hate them more than the next guy...

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Yet, you kept typing.

[emonrad87]

These posts make me glad I'm actually good at poker and not just a weak tight multi-tabling robot.

[Maulik]

move up, not down.

[goodguy_1]

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Can't Pokertracker tell us?

In the summary tab down at the bottom, there's a VPIP for all players. Could someone with a large DB or at least over a long period of time provide this VPIP for different time frames. Even with 3-6 months, weekly data might be interesting. Anyone?


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On a 103K hand db I will tell that I've looked at stats on a monthly basis.Chopped up into 6 blocks:end of 2004,Jan05,Feb.05,March.05,April05 and May05.

I use my Session Notes Summary for the choosen period not the SummaryTab/Game Summary info.-which inflates avg.pot size by ~$5.00 per pot.

Pot averages for 6 blocks of time starting will the oldest pre-2005 stats-today:$39.53,$38.17,$38.48,$38.67,$38.26 and $37.18.

ASF%:32.12%,31.87%,32.10%,31.85%,31.57%31.04%.

There is a obvious trend in place:smaller average pots and fewer players seeing the flop.The last 2 months in particular.

[mannika]

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Can't Pokertracker tell us?

In the summary tab down at the bottom, there's a VPIP for all players. Could someone with a large DB or at least over a long period of time provide this VPIP for different time frames. Even with 3-6 months, weekly data might be interesting. Anyone?


[/ QUOTE ]

On a 103K hand db I will tell that I've looked at stats on a monthly basis.Chopped up into 6 blocks:end of 2004,Jan05,Feb.05,March.05,April05 and May05.

I use my Session Notes Summary for the choosen period not the SummaryTab/Game Summary info.-which inflates avg.pot size by ~$5.00 per pot.

Pot averages for 6 blocks of time starting will the oldest pre-2005 stats-today:$39.53,$38.17,$38.48,$38.67,$38.26 and $37.18.

ASF%:32.12%,31.87%,32.10%,31.85%,31.57%31.04%.

There is a obvious trend in place:smaller average pots and fewer players seeing the flop.The last 2 months in particular.

[/ QUOTE ]

Thanks very much for the analysis. I think my original impression of the 3/6 tables was skewed quite a bit by my recent downswing. I also just seemed to be looking for tables at the wrong time. I went back on a few hours later and was able to find a few good VPIP > 30 games. Although the slight trend towards tightening up is quite interesting.

[goodguy_1]

indeed. My hours have been really crappy last week or so.I try to usually play from around 9pm-3am est.

Been playing during the day last few sessions. My guess is that the day games are worth 1.00bb/100 less than the nite games on average. Comparing the best nite games to the best day games I think 1.50-2.00bb/100 is more accurate. But more good players are playing the nite games so the gap is closing fast. $5-10 6MAX are better games with tons of very bad players-you just need to handle the swings.

[SinSixer]

Checking the session stats like you did, I came up with an average ASF of 30.04% over my last 45k hands (since March)...

[villafan]

Why not try one table at Pacific, one table at Sportingbet (those Sportingbet tables are extremely wild and loose) and the rest at Party?

There are a still some sites where the games are extremely good.

[goodguy_1]

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Checking the session stats like you did, I came up with an average ASF of 30.04% over my last 45k hands (since March)...



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I'm not surprised at that because I'm pretty darn game selective..I dont hang around tables w/crappy pot averages unless there are at least 3 40%+VPIP'ers.

[ggbman]

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Beating 2/4 for 3BB/100 is pretty optimistic is it not? I am currently at 1.9BB/100 there after 15K hands, and I have been running fairly well. Maybe I'm just not at that level yet, but 3 seems awfully high.

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It's definitly doable.

[ghostface]

3BB/100 is reallllly hard at Party 3/6. I dont think anyone is really beating it for that much right now.

[captZEEbo1]

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (7.33 SB) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 caps</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (7.66 BB) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP1 calls.

River: (11.66 BB) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 13.66 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has 3h 2h (straight, six high).
MP1 has 9c 9h (two pair, nines and sixes).
Outcome: Hero wins 13.66 BB. </font>

doesn't seem that tight to me =P



okay, hero was me and I was screwing around for the last hand of the day lol.

[MEbenhoe]

your play, brilliant IMO

[flair1239]

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Checking the session stats like you did, I came up with an average ASF of 30.04% over my last 45k hands (since March)...



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I'm not surprised at that because I'm pretty darn game selective..I dont hang around tables w/crappy pot averages unless there are at least 3 40%+VPIP'ers.

[/ QUOTE ]

I imagine the situation is worse the more tables you play.

As an example I play 3-tables at 5/10 and I never have a problem finding a good to great game. However during an average 4-5 hour session, I will usually cycle through about 8-10 tables. I will play a couple orbits and if I don't like what I see, I finish my "free hands" and move on.

Now somebody playing 8-tables at a time, is probably going to spend more time at bad tables for the following reason:

1. It will take them a bit longer to notice that a table is bad.

2. When they do notice, they probably will not react as fast, because it is a big hassel to change tables when you are involved in 2-3 hands at the time.

3. They may have lower game selection standards becuse it is a pain in the ass to change tables.

4. Also at certain times of the day it is possible that there may not be 8 good tables to play.

[xCEO]

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hero was me and I was screwing around for the last hand of the day lol

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Great flop for your last hand of the day! (after screwing around preflop! lol)