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Phill S
05-04-2005, 05:07 PM
there is nothing wrong with this right?

***** Hand History for Game 1998777624 *****
NL Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:11911116 Level:5 Blinds(100/200) - Wednesday, May 04, 16:57:25 EDT 2005
Table Table 35059 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 5: amo2103 ( $2100 )
Seat 6: burla ( $2230 )
Seat 3: LIGHTFINGER ( $1060 )
Seat 4: Jake_Legg ( $555 )
Seat 8: CWolf20 ( $865 )
Seat 1: Nagareru ( $765 )
Seat 7: boardcleaner ( $425 )
Trny:11911116 Level:5
Blinds(100/200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Nagareru [ Td 8d ]
Jake_Legg folds.
amo2103 folds.
burla folds.
boardcleaner folds.
CWolf20 folds.
Nagareru is all-In [665]
LIGHTFINGER calls [565].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7d, Qs, 7s ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2h ]
** Dealing River ** [ 6s ]
Nagareru shows [ Td, 8d ] a pair of sevens.
LIGHTFINGER shows [ Ac, 4d ] a pair of sevens.
LIGHTFINGER wins 1530 chips from the main pot with a pair of sevens with ace kicker.
Nagareru finished in seventh place.
Nagareru has left the table.
The Small Blind left the table. The Dealer button remains in place.

im not sure if im making steals at the right times. what makes me think yes is that theres 300 to win, i have only 665 after posting the SB. folding seems too weak, so i figure thats wrong.

reads are non-existant. i havent seen this guy do anything stupid. at the same time this is my first push in this game.

is it just one of those things? maybe a raise less than the push, with the intention of all the chips going in whatever happens (called it goes in on any flop, raised i must call)

note, im not trying to be results orientated. but people calling with weak aces has been a fairly recent trend for me.

just want a second opinion here.

Unarmed
05-04-2005, 05:19 PM
Look, just make pushing any two out of the SB when folded to you your default move. The only time you shouldn't be doing this is:

- you have >8xBB
- your opponent is committed to calling and you have a hand which matches up poorly against a random hand
- chip distribution makes a fold correct (this is rare)

None of these conditions apply to this hand. I'd be thrilled to actually have two suited cards to push with /images/graemlins/grin.gif

treeofwisdom7
05-04-2005, 05:29 PM
i think unarmed is right your getting a coin flip to go out. but dam what are you playing in where the blinds are 200 with 7 player in.. it happens all the time i guess but i hate it when it does.. GL

dfscott
05-04-2005, 05:31 PM
The only thing wrong with this is that you forgot to river quads. Otherwise, it's perfect.

prepotency
05-04-2005, 05:53 PM
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kyro
05-04-2005, 07:08 PM
In case 3 people saying the same thing isn't enough for you, here's a 4th.

push

beeyjay
05-04-2005, 07:21 PM
[ QUOTE ]
there is nothing wrong with this right?

[/ QUOTE ]
his call is wrong.

curtains
05-04-2005, 07:28 PM
By folding A4 in the BB you are allowing people to push with any 2 with impunity. If you know your opponent is pushing any 2 in the SB, then folding is just horribly wrong. Even if you know they are pushing 70+% of hands Im sure folding is terrible.

A lot of pepole take the never call, and always push advice too far.

Phill S
05-04-2005, 09:41 PM
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By folding A4 in the BB you are allowing people to push with any 2 with impunity. If you know your opponent is pushing any 2 in the SB, then folding is just horribly wrong. Even if you know they are pushing 70+% of hands Im sure folding is terrible.

A lot of pepole take the never call, and always push advice too far.

[/ QUOTE ]

food for thought.

i figured id get ragged on over this post, but it never hurts more than pride to get a reality check. prolly just that my first 70ish games since coming back to party have been break-even (yes, i know, break even whilst learning is good)

thanks for positive reinforcement.

Phill

curtains
05-04-2005, 10:57 PM
Not sure why you quoted me. Maybe it was a mistake but pushing was clearly correct, and I believe calling was correct by your opponent most of the time.

durron597
05-04-2005, 11:07 PM
I would go Tarzan on him. (Click the image)

http://posters.imdb.com/posters/t/tarzancz43319.jpg (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=2308764&page=&view=&s b=5&o=&vc=1)

Phill S
05-05-2005, 12:22 AM
should i push here?

NL Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee
Level:4 Blinds(50/100) - Thursday, May 05, 00:13:09 EDT 2005
Table Table 11060 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 5: ScottBuch ( $2400 )
Seat 8: Traxis ( $1315 )
Seat 7: koolkakadoo ( $1395 )
Seat 9: Jpoli013 ( $2240 )
Seat 10: Nagareru ( $650 )
Trny:11925549 Level:4
Blinds(50/100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Nagareru [ Tc 8c ]
Jpoli013 folds.
Nagareru folds.

i folded - but im considering if i shouldnt have moved my chips here whilst i still have some. after the blinds passed, i had 500 left, so getting this:

NL Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee
Level:4 Blinds(50/100) - Thursday, May 05, 00:16:20 EDT 2005
Table Table 11060 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 5: ScottBuch ( $2250 )
Seat 8: Traxis ( $1265 )
Seat 7: koolkakadoo ( $995 )
Seat 9: Jpoli013 ( $2990 )
Seat 10: Nagareru ( $500 )
Trny:11925549 Level:4
Blinds(50/100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Nagareru [ Qh Jd ]
Nagareru is all-In [500]

correct push UTG?

thanks for putting up with my [censored]. just trying to tweek my game

Phill

zaphod
05-05-2005, 12:29 AM
[ QUOTE ]
By folding A4 in the BB you are allowing people to push with any 2 with impunity. If you know your opponent is pushing any 2 in the SB, then folding is just horribly wrong. Even if you know they are pushing 70+% of hands Im sure folding is terrible.

A lot of pepole take the never call, and always push advice too far.

[/ QUOTE ]

Interesting. I would fold this, unless i had a read that SB was pushing any two. I guess i am the always push, never call category. Have anybody tried checking this call on Eastbays program?

curtains
05-05-2005, 01:35 AM
I ran it...even against a range that is too tight, its still breakeven. Pushing any two its huge +EV. Most players shouldnt be tight enough to make this a fold IMO.