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jedinite

05-04-2005, 03:09 PM

Playing in a PP qualifier for the upcoming $200+15 Friday Special. About 2:30 in, i'm sitting 8th in chips out of 20 players remaining out of 170 entrants. Top seven win entries.

I've posted more detail (http://performify.com/2005/05/sitting-waiting-wishing.html) and my own analysis (http://performify.com/2005/05/analyzing-yesterdays-tourneyment.html), but i'm eager to get some other feedback on these two plays specifically.

HAND ONE:
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (7 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Hero (t7609)
MP2 (t10533)
CO (t1300)
Button (t12945)
SB (t1570)
BB (t5836)
UTG (t3452)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
1 fold, Hero calls t400, 2 folds, Button calls t400, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t1600) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: (t1600) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
SB calls t1170 (All-In), BB folds, Hero calls t1170, Button folds.

River: (t3940) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t3940

Results in white below: 
Hero has 4h Ah (one pair, eights).
SB has 5s Ad (two pair, eights and fives).
Outcome: SB wins t3940. 

HAND TWO:
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t600 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

SB (t16998)
Hero (t5739)
UTG (t6452)
UTG+1 (t4340)
MP1 (t4785)
MP2 (t7046)
MP3 (t13855)
CO (t8248)
Button (t10214)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
2 folds, MP1 raises to t1200, 4 folds, SB calls t900, Hero calls t5139 (All-In), MP1 calls t3585 (All-In), SB folds.

Flop: (t11724) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: (t11724) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t11724) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: t11724

Results in white below: 
Hero has Kh Ah (high card, ace).
MP1 has Ad As (one pair, aces).
Outcome: MP1 wins t10770. Hero wins t954.

Pat Southern

05-04-2005, 03:20 PM

Openlimping A4s at this stage is pretty bad. On the turn, considering you can estimate you have about 13.5 outs (1.5As, 9 /images/graemlins/heart.gifs, 3 6s) the call is ok. It was your preflop limp that got you into trouble here. Second hand, you just ran into a big hand, not much you can do.

durron597

05-04-2005, 03:25 PM

Hand 1 preflop is fine IF you know your table likes to limp lots of flops. On the other hand, if most preflops are raised then I just fold.

On the turn, I fold. You have 9 heart outs, 3 6 outs - not enough outs to call since IMO your A outs likely aren't clean.

billyjex

05-04-2005, 03:26 PM

Hand 1 I don't like. Why risk a 1/7th of your stack on a flush draw w/ one card to come on a paired board? You don't have the odds and I would rather keep my chips.

Edit: Just saw the gut shot. But I still fold here since we're in a satellite and all my chips I can have are important. Also, I agree w/ the others that open limping with a weak suited ace is pretty bad.

Hand 2 is fine. you got unlucky to run into aces.

A_PLUS

05-04-2005, 04:01 PM

Hand #1: Thinking about it, I hate the open limp here. That is a deep stack play, where you can stand a little heat preflop hoping to cash on the implied odds. Here, it is just a leak. You have apx. 12X BB. You dont have the luxary of limping. Either fire and try to take the blinds, or fold.

Hand#2: Would you ever fold that hand there?

jedinite

05-05-2005, 10:25 AM

First off, please let me say that I very much appreciate the feedback.

Hand #1 I appreciate and understand the feedback about not limping from early position with the A/images/graemlins/heart.gif4/images/graemlins/heart.gif. However, the table had been limping a ton of flops at this stage and I expected a larger pot with a limp versus a raise (it just happened that I didn't the 1-2 extra callers I expected). I also didn't want to commit myself to the hand with a too-large raise and/or subject myself to a possible re-raise which I wouldn't call, or isolate myself in a pot against a single good hand.

Here I was mostly looking for feedback on the call on the turn with 2.37-1 pot odds. I know mathmatically it wasn't exactly correct once my opponent turned over A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif5/images/graemlins/spade.gif (leaving me 12 outs, requiring 2.83-1 pot odds) but had he not been holding an ace I would have had 15 outs thus more than meeting the 2.07-1 odds needed to justify the call mathmatically. Personally I don't feel the call was a bad play at this stage of the game.

With hand #2, A/images/graemlins/heart.gifK/images/graemlins/heart.gif I was mainly curious to know if people thought the correct play there was to call the T600 raise since I was already in the BB, given the T3000 pot, and look to see a flop. Given that it was likely a race situation with the original raiser assuming he had at least a medium pocket pair, I felt on later analysis the correct play would have been to call the T600 and given that I was acting ahead of the raiser I could have bet in to him all-in on a favorable flop (four-flush or top pair or better).

I might have pushed in that position with a ragged flop anyways, I'm not grousing about the beat, more looking to see if it would have been better to take the flop instead of re-raising all-in. The way the hand played out I would have lost to pocket twos, let alone running in to the aces.