Quad kings

[dfscott]

Ok, it's actually KK twice -- two different hands, one fold, one push. Thoughts?

Hand 1:
Table Table 12873 (Real Money) -- Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: barto2 (775)
Seat 2: case45 (710)
Seat 3: dfscott1 (800)
Seat 4: bovisdinkle (1100)
Seat 5: rogersnod (820)
Seat 6: kingpe1 (1185)
Seat 7: Snacks11 (895)
Seat 8: Snacks01 (670)
Seat 9: ZZaaPP (350)
Seat 10: mcmustered (695)
Snacks11 posts small blind (15)
Snacks01 posts big blind (30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to dfscott1 [ Ks, Kh ]
ZZaaPP calls (30)
mcmustered folds.
barto2 folds.
case45 folds.
dfscott1 raises (85) to 85
bovisdinkle folds.
rogersnod folds.
kingpe1 calls (85)
Snacks11 calls (70)
Snacks01 folds.
ZZaaPP folds.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Jd, Th, Jc ]
Snacks11 checks.
dfscott1 bets (250)
kingpe1 calls (250)
Snacks11 folds.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Ts ]
dfscott1 checks.
kingpe1 bets (500)
dfscott1 folds.

I think I made the worst play on the flop here. I think this is either a check/fold or a push, and I can't see folding.

Hand 2:
Table Table 11606 (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 3
Seat 4: dfscott1 (3130)
Seat 7: GDDOOBIE (910)
Seat 10: youstink2 (3960)
youstink2 posts small blind (150)
dfscott1 posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to dfscott1 [ Kc, Ks ]
GDDOOBIE raises (910) to 910
GDDOOBIE is all-In.
youstink2 raises (3810) to 3960
youstink2 is all-In.
dfscott1 calls (2830)
dfscott1 is all-In.

I thought about this for about a half-second before calling. Anyone fold here?

[adanthar]

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I think I made the worst play on the flop here. I think this is either a check/fold or a push, and I can't see folding.

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Why would you think that? The play's fine unless 77 calls a push and/or pushes himself on the turn for no apparent reason (if he's that bad, I know it by now and just call his bluff).

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I thought about this for about a half-second before calling. Anyone fold here?

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you thought .499 seconds too long

[gumpzilla]

I think the first hand is fine, by and large. Pushing on the flop isn't going to save you from a J if it's out there, and if he hits a two outer on a T, then that's just bad luck. Any chance he's pushing with an A here?

There's no reason to fold in the second case; with the short stack already being in there, you don't have to worry about busting, not that you should worry about that even if the short stack is not in with KK.

[dfscott]

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I think I made the worst play on the flop here. I think this is either a check/fold or a push, and I can't see folding.

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Why would you think that? The play's fine unless 77 calls a push and/or pushes himself on the turn for no apparent reason (if he's that bad, I know it by now and just call his bluff).


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I actually miscalculated when I posted it. I thought I was betting over 40% of my stack, but I was counting the entire amount I'd put into the pot, including pre-flop.

I'll renege on my 2nd guess.