FULLTILT IS A JOKE!!!!!! PLEASE READ

[Code7]

This is a post for new users of full tilt!!!!!!! Be aware before you sign up. Here's my experience. I signed up with fulltilt because I heard good things and I liked the sign up bonus. I deposited $250 and began my fulltilt experience. I ran my $250 up to about $600. I owed my cousin $100 from a loan he gave me from party poker. I told him to open an account and I would transfer him some money, which he did. So with that $100 he got on a rush and turned it into $1800. Here's where it gets weird.

He attempts to cash out $800, which was taking several days. He receives an e-mail stating he needed to sign up for a neteller account and make a successful deposit before he could make a withdrawal. ? What’s that all about? So he opens a neteller account and deposits $50 into the neteller account. When he logs into fulltilt to attempt to make the transfer the log in screen says "you're account has been suspended contact customer service" So he contacts customer service via e-mail (no 800 avail). They respond by saying your account has been suspended due to fraudulent activity? what the hell is that all about? what fraud? what a joke. So several days go by, and then he receives an e-mail stating his account has been cashed out (good). He attempts to sign in to fulltilt to see if the account is open, and it says user name not valid. I guess they closed his account for him

Now. When I try to log into my account it says invalid user name and password? It appears they closed my account for being associated with my fraudulent cousin? lol. I found this to be very upsetting and very unprofessional from a site such as fulltilt.....So new users be aware before you sign up!

[emonrad87]

I'm sure there is a lot more to your story than you are telling us.

[___SK___]

or a lot that he doesnt know about his cousin, and his account was closed for "funding" him.

[brazilio]

HOW CAN YOU SAY SOMETHING LIBELOUS, UNTRUE, FALSE AND SLANDEROUS LIKE THAT.

[Losing all]

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I'm sure there is a lot more to your story than you are telling us.

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Are you kidding? These posts always contain all the details. It's amazing how much funny stuff is going on man.

[SoftcoreRevolt]

I dunno man, Phil Ivey wouldn't lie to me.

[Code7]

Those are the facts of the story! There is nothing else to be told. Ours accounts appear to be closed because he tried to cash out after his account was funded by my account. How are you supposed to commit fraud on a poker site? I play Party Poker on a regular basis and have had no problems in the past...We transfer money back and forth all of the time, without any fraud acusations.Besides I'm not here to argue just to post information about my experience.

[brazilio]

MARSHAL THE TROOPS, THAT SMALL ISLAND COUNTRY IS GOING DOWN FOR THE ATROCITIES THEY'VE COMMITTED.

[Freudian]

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I'm sure there is a lot more to your story than you are telling us.

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I don't know about that. It is possible that some moneylaundry warning got activated by the transfer and the site acted upon it.

We pokerplayers are pretty fortunate in that sites don't mess with us much. When it comes to online casinos this kind of reaction would be expected. So if fulltilt has staff that come from the casinoworld I wouldn't be surprised to see them overreact.

[dtbog]

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How are you supposed to commit fraud on a poker site?

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Collusion and chip dumping/money laundering come to mind...

... I'm not implying that you did anything wrong, but what would they say if you asked them the reason for the closure of your cousin's account?

-dB

[SinSixer]

To the best of my knowledge, standard operating procedure at EVERY poker room is to not allow cashouts without ever making a deposit. If you attempt this, your account gets flagged and you must speak with a csr to straighten things out.

So what did they tell you when you called to find out why your account was closed? We ARE missing that part of the story. Don't tell me you came here and posted this stuff without actuallly speaking with them first.

[brazilio]

Full tilt may come from the casino world, but the differences of profit-making of casino HA games vs poker are significant. Personally it's ridiculous to speculate about this dude's problem. Almost all of the posts people put in here about getting screwed are without pertinent details, and they're virtually ALWAYS by a dude that's never posted before. Trusting anything in this post is a waste of time. I don't trust any business that has a foundation on a quasi-legal enterprise, but I trust this dude's information far less than that.

[Uglyowl]

Give the guy the benefit of the doubt, he has been a member since..... TODAY.

[Code7]

There excuse was simply that he needed to make a deposit before he made a withdrawl...period. They look at that as fraud and closed both accounts. THIS IS JUST A HEAD UP TO FULLTILT PLAYERS. I'M NOT HERE TO ARGUE OR LOOK FOR SYMPATHY. DO NOT ATTEMPT TO MAKE WITHDRAWLS BEFORE DEPOSITS IS THE MORALE OF THE STORY....

[SinSixer]

Youre irrational. Simply call them, explain what you said here, have your cousin call and they will reopen both accounts. No one here cares, or has sympathy for you. Just call up FullTilt and set the record straight. This is a non issue.

This happens every day and is posted about two or three times a month. Thanks for sharing your "unique" experience.

[Pocket Trips]

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This is a post for new users of full tilt!!!!!!! Be aware before you sign up. Here's my experience. I signed up with fulltilt because I heard good things and I liked the sign up bonus. I deposited $250 and began my fulltilt experience. I ran my $250 up to about $600. I owed my cousin $100 from a loan he gave me from party poker. I told him to open an account and I would transfer him some money, which he did. So with that $100 he got on a rush and turned it into $1800. Here's where it gets weird.

He attempts to cash out $800, which was taking several days. He receives an e-mail stating he needed to sign up for a neteller account and make a successful deposit before he could make a withdrawal. ? What’s that all about? So he opens a neteller account and deposits $50 into the neteller account. When he logs into fulltilt to attempt to make the transfer the log in screen says "you're account has been suspended contact customer service" So he contacts customer service via e-mail (no 800 avail). They respond by saying your account has been suspended due to fraudulent activity? what the hell is that all about? what fraud? what a joke. So several days go by, and then he receives an e-mail stating his account has been cashed out (good). He attempts to sign in to fulltilt to see if the account is open, and it says user name not valid. I guess they closed his account for him

Now. When I try to log into my account it says invalid user name and password? It appears they closed my account for being associated with my fraudulent cousin? lol. I found this to be very upsetting and very unprofessional from a site such as fulltilt.....So new users be aware before you sign up!

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were you playing at the same tables as your cousin if so that is a 2nd red flag.. I am sure it would not look good if u r playing at a table with some1 u just transferred $$$ to....and if they considered it fraud not making a deposit y did they eventually allow him to withdraw???

something here doesn't add up

[Code7]

sinsixer, call who? you give me a number and I'll call it. everything is done thru e-mail, as far as I know.

[emonrad87]

OMG TODAY I CASHED OUT FROM POKERNOW AND ITS BEEN 3 MINUTES 10 SECONDS AND IT HASNT HIT MY EPASSPORTE YET OMG OMG OMG POKERNOW IS SHADY AND DONT TRUST THEM JUST A HEADS UP!

OH AND BTW DOES THIS HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE AFFILIATE MESS IS POKER NOW GOING UNDER???

[Kevin K.]

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I'm sure there is a lot more to your story than you are telling us.

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I don't know about that. It is possible that some moneylaundry warning got activated by the transfer and the site acted upon it.

We pokerplayers are pretty fortunate in that sites don't mess with us much. When it comes to online casinos this kind of reaction would be expected. So if fulltilt has staff that come from the casinoworld I wouldn't be surprised to see them overreact.

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If $100 transfer is going to set off an alarm, then why allow transfers at all?

[Code7]

Man I don't know why u guys are so hostile. I was posting info on a discussion forum. Is'nt that what it's for?

BTW i'm hiding all the real facts and am having fun watching the flames come in,,,

[Shoe]

Your a joke.

[emonrad87]

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BTW i'm hiding all the real facts and am having fun watching the flames come in,,,

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[SinSixer]

It makes sense now. I see why you have felt the hysterical need to make this post. FullTilt does not have a support number, and theyre email support probably takes a day to respond. Therefore you havent heard back from your latest email (a few hours ago) and are panicking that you will lose a hundred dollars. Relax.

[Code7]

sinsixer, it has been about 4 days.

[Freudian]

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I'm sure there is a lot more to your story than you are telling us.

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I don't know about that. It is possible that some moneylaundry warning got activated by the transfer and the site acted upon it.

Btw. I think we will see more paranoid pokerrooms in the future. Rakeback/people only playing when they get a bonus/Absolute getting hit by scammers etc.

We pokerplayers are pretty fortunate in that sites don't mess with us much. When it comes to online casinos this kind of reaction would be expected. So if fulltilt has staff that come from the casinoworld I wouldn't be surprised to see them overreact.

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If $100 transfer is going to set off an alarm, then why allow transfers at all?

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I would think that the tranfer is made to a completely new account that hasn't deposited or played would be what alerts them.

[mbpoker]

Alert is one thing, but closing accounts is another.

Code7 - one thing is not clear. Did they confiscate money or did they let you both cashout?

Can you post the email(s) that you received from them?

[pokerstudent211]

Whats wrong with all you! The guy is just reporting something he didnt like that happened to him that he has never experienced before. Its not that big of a deal but you all are attacking him like crazy. There are less hostile ways of making a point.

[Code7]

Hello,

We will have to look into this matter in greater detail and will
respond as soon
as possible.

Thank you,
Malcolm
Team Full Tilt

This is the e-mail I recieved, i don't have my cousins e-mails. They did let him cash out. My account was flat except for my 160 bonus dollars.

[grimel]

Because like you it's "always" some twit with next to zero posts. For some reason that tends to look like a steaming pile of bovine feces.

[arizona]

What I never understand about these posts is why these people don't simply mail a check to the person they owe monety to. How hard is that? Why do they feel the need to conduct their financial business through a poker site. Jesus, just buy a freaking stamp and mail the guy what you owe him.

[B Dids]

Pokersites don't like being used at banks. They're not a place for you to move money around to other people. This should be pretty damn obvious. I'm sure if you read the T&C for FTP you'll discover that.

I love when people's problem solving skills lead them down the bath that says "Hmm, the best way to get action is to post a rant on a message board" and then "Wait, that didn't solve anything, those guys are assholes and I should let them know".

[Code7]

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What I never understand about these posts is why these people don't simply mail a check to the person they owe monety to. How hard is that? Why do they feel the need to conduct their financial business through a poker site. Jesus, just buy a freaking stamp and mail the guy what you owe him.

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he's my cousin dipsht, what a yahoo....conduct business through a poker site? lol

[Code7]

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Pokersites don't like being used at banks. They're not a place for you to move money around to other people. This should be pretty damn obvious. I'm sure if you read the T&C for FTP you'll discover that.

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Then why allow interaccount transfer smart guy?

[Jurollo]

Well this is obviously a case of a story someone is either a) making up or... b)isn't telling us everything

Here is a tip for you...
1) Go to fulltilt.com, get a phone number and call them
2) Don't make your first posts some pile of crap about a site defrauding you, especially full tilt, people hate these damn posts and in turn will hate you. You will never live this down, I promise you.
3) Don't create new accounts to defend your position. See post by dude who signed up 05/03.
4) Don't report this as them screwing you when you even said they let you cash out, sites do not screw people over for just winning money, they like that because it generates rake in the mean time, so you are not telling us everything, stop insisting you are because you aren't bottom line, full tilt, or any other site wouldnt ban someone if what you say is exactly what happened.
5) Don't be surprised at being flamed, you sound like a jackass so people here will treat you like one.

In summation you are a douche. Discuss.
~Justin

[Code7]

Justin you're the douche here, read my post carefully. Did I mention anything about fulltilt defrauding me? NO. They accused us of fraud, then shut down our accounts. Again if you read carefully you'd see that FTP does not have a phone number, everything is done thru e-mail.

And say I had 5 years of posting experience would that somehow change the substance of my post? Would you all of a sudden believe what i'm posting? And what makes you think that I care what you or anyone else on this forum thinks of me? LOL, I was simply posting my experience with FTP, I'm glad I got everyone all fired up /images/graemlins/blush.gif

[grimel]

Well, when someone's first post is "waaaah, XYZ site is screwing me/about to go under/sucks/is mean" there is usually:
a) an agenda; b) an agenda; c) sour grapes; d) an agenda; and e) a partial story.

[Jurollo]

Ok ready to get down on your knees and thank me? Maybe tell us the whole story? Well here is Full Tilt's phone number, you can take back calling me a douche and your whole attitude later. It is amazing what you can find by doing a little intelligent searching.
http://img135.echo.cx/img135/4620/fulltilt3hr.jpg

The highlighted number is their number, in case you cant read it, it is (888)895-3002.

And yes, if you had thousands of posts and were a respected poster this thread would be taken more seriously. But let us know how the call goes none the less.
~Justin

[Code7]

Nice post grimel that's original content that has'nt been mentioned.....

[_And1_]

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He receives an e-mail stating he needed to sign up for a neteller account and make a successful deposit before he could make a withdrawal. ? What’s that all about? So he opens a neteller account and deposits $50 into the neteller account.

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Hehe, he deposits 50$ into the neteller account. Depositing money onto FTP is more likely what FTP is requesting /images/graemlins/ooo.gif

[Code7]

yes and1, u need to deposit money into neteller before u can deposit into FTP. when he went to depo into FTP the account was suspended /images/graemlins/confused.gif

[William]

sites do not screw people over for just winning money

Of course not, they use advanced programs that river your big PP to fill the accounts of their own bots, friends, owners, or whoever they are /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[steamboatin]

He is a Troll and not a very good troll but I hope he Improves with practice.

Phil's guide to Trolls. (http://www.themartialist.com/pecom/fieldguidetotrolls.htm)

That is all.

[B Dids]

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Pokersites don't like being used at banks. They're not a place for you to move money around to other people. This should be pretty damn obvious. I'm sure if you read the T&C for FTP you'll discover that.

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Then why allow interaccount transfer smart guy?

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Because people make deals, and move money around, and that's fine. It's when people who ARE NOT PLAYERS are using it move money that they get upset.

[CostaRicaBill]

Fraud alerts were probably triggered when you transferred a small amount of money to your friend who ran it up to $1800 in a short period of time, probably paying little rake. I'd say if anything this is very professional of them to notice.

Maybe they went through the hand histories and it looked like chip dumping and decided to close the accounts and all related accounts. If that's not the case and he just got lucky and still closed your accounts, then sucks for you. But if you happened to read the Terms and Agreements before playing, they can pretty much do whatever the hell they want.

[CORed]

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Well, when someone's first post is "waaaah, XYZ site is screwing me/about to go under/sucks/is mean" there is usually:
a) an agenda; b) an agenda; c) sour grapes; d) an agenda; and e) a partial story.

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Or f) all of the above.

[CORed]

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he's my cousin dipsht

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Well, that certainly explains why you transferred money using a poker site instead of mailing him a check (or handing him the cash, if he lives in the same city).

[grimel]

true.