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xorbie

05-03-2005, 05:41 PM

Two different AK hands, two different tables, same deal on the river though.

Hand 1: I've been running pretty hot at this table. There has been one hand where I raised a $1 river bet to $5 with what had been TP on the flop and lost to AA. Other than that, I have no reason to believe he is betting $1 planning on pushing to a raise. Doesn't mean he can't have a T though. Also comments on flop check.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

UTG ($23.45)
UTG+1 ($27.1)
MP1 ($31.44)
MP2 ($25)
MP3 ($26.95)
CO ($22.8)
Hero ($49.5)
SB ($24.5)
BB ($23.35)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif. MP2 posts a blind of $0.25. SB posts a blind of $0.1.
3 folds, MP2 (poster) checks, 1 fold, CO calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.5, 2 folds, MP2 folds, CO calls $1.25.

Flop: ($3.60) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($3.60) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $2.5, CO calls $2.50.

River: ($8.60) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
CO bets $1, Hero calls $1.

Final Pot: $10.60

****

Hand 2: Also been running pretty well here, raising a good number of hands. I've two bet preflop before. His turn check/raise leads me to believe he probably has an A and puts me on KK/QQ. The river sucks, but I still think I should have raised it, because him having clubs is unlikely (yes?), and if he does have trip aces, he will call a decent raise (say to $12). The best line might just be to three bet the flop? I checked behind on the turn because I figured he would definitely read me for QQ/KK and I could get a bet and possibly call of my raise. Then the third club fell and I froze up, because I am a fish.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

UTG+1 ($19.75)
MP1 ($30.82)
MP2 ($80.53)
MP3 ($6.87)
Hero ($60.35)
Button ($9.15)
SB ($32.6)
BB ($7.15)
UTG ($23.3)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.1.
3 folds, MP2 raises to $0.5, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.5, 3 folds, MP2 calls $1.

Flop: ($3.35) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets $2.5, MP2 raises to $5, Hero calls $2.50.

Turn: ($13.35) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero checks.

River: ($13.35) A/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
MP2 bets $4, Hero calls $4.

Final Pot: $21.35

kurto

05-03-2005, 08:11 PM

Just curious... why didn't you bet the flop on the first hand? There's a straight draw possibility and a chance of letting someone catch up. I'm confused.

Second hand... I think I still like a bet on the turn. If he checkraises you again, then I might fold. His minraise preflop can mean anything (has he done this before? What did it mean. When I don't know, I assume it means a small or med pocket pair. I have also seen people do it with hands like KQs and weak aces.) You're only behind a set as far as I see and I don't think he checks to you with a set. He could have been semibluffing with a flush draw, which is all the more reason to bet the turn.

I'm curious how they turned out.

xorbie

05-04-2005, 01:09 AM

Didn't bet the flop because it's relativey drawless and I want 88/99/JJ/QQ/KK or any T or any turned pair to think they are good and call. There aren't really any hands with more than 5 outs to beat me, and the pot is small, and I have position, so I can get away from it if things get ugly.

Hand 2 I should bet the turn. Definitely a bad check behind.

RESULTS:

Hand 1: Villain has Q2s and I leave negligible money on the table. Probably would have called a river raise to maybe $4 or $5.

Hand 2: Villain has AJ and I leave a lot of money on the table. :-(

TheWorstPlayer

05-04-2005, 01:41 AM

Hand 1 bet the flop. Hand 2 bet the turn. Nobody check/raises twice in these games. Once you called his check/raise on the flop it looks like he thinks his Ax might not be good and wants to play a small pot. Value bet it as if he has Ax here, IMO. If by some chance he check/raises you again, you can probably fold or call if it is another min-raise and fold UI on the river if he bets or check behind. But I would be VERY surprised to see another check/raise. If he had a set, I would expect him to bet the turn.