A somewhat common situation that I never know how to play

[Ghazban]

Live 4/8 at Foxwoods. Game is very good and I am in perfect position-- the 4 loose chip spewers to my direct right and the best, tightest players directly to my left. I get the button 4 times a round if I want it /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Anyway, I get QQ in the SB. Its folded to LMP, who limps, CO limps, Button limps, I raise, BB calls, limpers call.

Flop: JJ6r (10 SB less rake)

I bet, BB folds, LMP raises, CO 3bets, button folds, I...?

CO's been a calling station all day and LMP has only been there about an hour but has played like a total maniac. His raise could mean anything or nothing but CO's raise is abnormal.

Assuming I don't fold, what's my plan for the turn and river? There are no draws out at all so I'm either way ahead or way behind, right?

[Fnord]

Yeah, this is very much a live poker hand because I find a fold here more often. Also consider that LAggy could get into a chip tossing contest with LooPy with you stuck in between.

If I'm not folding, I would cap and lead the turn in an effort to either slow them down or set-up a turn fold.

[chief444]

What I like best about calling stations is you win a lot from them when they have junk but never have to pay them off when they have a big hand.

[27offsooot]

Fold this without a second thought. I remember a similar flop (JJ4) i had with QQ out of the sb at a good live 6/12 table. I lead, it's raised by a decent player (1010), three bet by a passive player (AJo), and capped by a passive player (44). Easiest fold in my life. Of course the river is a Q.

[Steve S]

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Assuming I don't fold, what's my plan for the turn and river? There are no draws out at all so I'm either way ahead or way behind, right?

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I would lead the turn. If it gets raised by the CO - fold. If called by both, check/call river.

I don't mind a fold on the flop based on your read of the CO - no reason to throw $ at this pot. If the game is that good - pick a better spot.

[grtflone]

how about call the 3 bet, bet out the turn and fold to a raise.

If no raise check/call the river.

[Bill C]

Fold it.
You could stick around if it was just one bet, but not two.
Even idiots get good cards sometimes.
And these two idiots aren't calling, they're raising.

bc

[Yobz]

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Fold this without a second thought. I remember a similar flop (JJ4) i had with QQ out of the sb at a good live 6/12 table. I lead, it's raised by a decent player (1010), three bet by a passive player (AJo), and capped by a passive player (44). Easiest fold in my life. Of course the river is a Q.

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You should work on flopping that queen instead of rivering after you don't have odds to call, that way you would win more... /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Fat Nicky]

Easy fold with the passive player 3-betting, looks like you're drawing to 2 outs.

[Ghazban]

Thanks for the responses. I did end up folding, though I hated it (it was the only tough decision I made that whole 13 hour session). Turn brick went check, bet, call, river brick went check, check, and passive guy's pocket nines took down the pot (maniac didn't show).