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theBruiser500
05-02-2005, 12:36 AM
UTG raised all in, he sucks. UTG+1 is bad, button seems reasonable, rest are nothing special.

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (11.20 SB) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, SB calls, BB folds, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (9.60 BB) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, Hero folds, Button folds, SB folds.

River: (12.60 BB) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: 12.60 BB
Klepton
05-02-2005, 04:18 AM
isn't this a fold preflop?
NLSoldier
05-02-2005, 04:35 AM
Not in my opinion.
goofball
05-02-2005, 04:47 AM
This is not no limit. it's a fold preflop in my opiinion.
Jdanz
05-02-2005, 05:06 AM
this could possibly be a fold on every st., personally i call the flop, i think preflop is meh, but 2s are just too weak, 6s i think is the line intuitively, but i'd have a hard time justifiying wh they're any different then 2s here..
philnewall
05-02-2005, 07:24 AM
It's definetly a fold on the flop, you're getting 12-1 when UTG+1 bets into you, but theres still the preflop 3-bettor right behind you, who may raise and force everyone else out cutting your odds way down. Add that to the fact that your draw is pretty awful, the 5 gives anyone with a 7 a higher straight, there's a 2-flush, and the two deuces left aren't that great either, you don't even have the 2 hearts which would make it better.
1800GAMBLER
05-02-2005, 07:58 AM
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This is not no limit. it's a fold preflop in my opiinion.

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Agreed. Postflop i play it the same.
DcifrThs
05-02-2005, 10:51 AM
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i think preflop is meh

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better watch out...you wont get any replies from astro with that attitude.

-Barron
theBruiser500
05-02-2005, 04:57 PM
Jay why do you play it postflop given what phinewall says, I think he makes a convincing case for folding on the flop.
1800GAMBLER
05-02-2005, 05:14 PM
Because i think you have 6 outs and will get at least 7:1
dcarlc
05-02-2005, 05:18 PM
I fold preflop, This hand can't be +EV. If you are going to play against Utg all in raise why not 3 bet and hope you win a showdown?

A litlle off subject, my stats are 14.5/9.75, When you see good players who see 17-20% of flops are these the kind of calls they make, because I just could not make that call, 22-66.
DpR
05-02-2005, 06:08 PM
NO, IMO this is a very bad preflop call. The first guy is all-in, so we get no odds for bets from him on later streets. When it gets to hero there is one guy in who CC'ed two UTG+1. For all we know it will fold around behind him (BB probably calls) and we three the flop with 3 live hands. I think you need that fourth player paying in bets on later streets when you hit your set here.

If UTG is not all-in I like the call much more. Interesting that Nate posted thread about how play changes when a player is all-in preflop. I couldn't come up with too many situations where I thought it mattered much, but here is one where I think it makes it a fold. (btw, even if UTG is not all in I think this is a close call, I don't hate it, but I don't think it is a clearly good play either - this think may easily be three bet behind.)