New 2-4 NLHE at Foxwoods

[nate1729]

Starting Monday there'll be a 2-4, $300 max buyin, NLHE at Foxwoods. Thoughts on how the game will play and how it will affect the other games?

[Evan]

I hope they make you play it all in yellow.

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My first time playing NL at Foxwoods I got angrily berated for bringing yellow to the 1-2 table. Somehow the entire table started calling me 'yellow chip guy.'

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[Ghazban]

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My first time playing NL at Foxwoods I got angrily berated for bringing yellow to the 1-2 table. Somehow the entire table started calling me 'yellow chip guy.'

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You'll get berated bringing yellow chips to any red chip game (going from 4/8 to 5/10 for example)-- its not unique to the baby no-limit game. Don't ask me why, its just something I've noticed.

[dankhank]

that's because yellow chips don't play in the red chip games. i have no idea why people would yell in the baby NL game for using yellow chips.

[Evan]

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My first time playing NL at Foxwoods I got angrily berated for bringing yellow to the 1-2 table. Somehow the entire table started calling me 'yellow chip guy.'

NT

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You'll get berated for doing anything at Foxwoods besides being grumpy

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my first FYP post.

[jar]

The yellow chips aren't supposed to play in the baby NL either. The one time I played that game, the dealer let a guy play with yellow for some reason, and it was a huge annoyance. Luckily one of the few excellent dealers was next up, and changed everyone's time for the yellow and got it out of the game.

[BeantownCaller]

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Starting Monday there'll be a 2-4, $300 max buyin, NLHE at Foxwoods. Thoughts on how the game will play and how it will affect the other games?

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I think its great, yhamks for reporting. Have been wondering why those bastards dont spread a 2-4 or 2-5 NL game, no excuse to bitch about the 1-2 now. I'll try to get down there and play it soon

[Snupoker]

Just called the poker room and was told its a 300 min/max game with a rebuy if under 100. will be there thursday to play it.

-snup

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The yellow chips aren't supposed to play in the baby NL either. The one time I played that game, the dealer let a guy play with yellow for some reason, and it was a huge annoyance. Luckily one of the few excellent dealers was next up, and changed everyone's time for the yellow and got it out of the game.

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If yellow is a huge annoyance, I sometimes sit in that game with only WHITE chips, hahahah.

[nate1729]

Hey, a non-yellow-chip comment. I guess I'll start with a thought: some players might accidentally play closer to correctly, because most simply grab three to five red chips when they want to raise preflop. This is much less of a mistake with 2-4 blinds.

[Ghazban]

Does anybody know what the time charge for that game is? Its $5/half hour for the 1/2 game and $6/half hour for the 5/5 game (at least, that's what I've been told-- I still haven't sat in the 5/5).

[toots]

So, what's the deal with the pariah status of the yellow chips, anyway?

The other day, I was playing a red chip ($5/10) game there. The table captain was getting seriously steamed whenever anyone would play a yellow chip. He'd make a big deal about buying it out of the pot (presumably so the dealer wouldn't have to collect them in her tray).

After he'd accumulated a reasonable stack of yellow chips, he gets up and wanders over to the cage to recolor them.

He returned to the table with their equivalent in whites.

WTF???

If yellow's bad, isn't white twice as bad? Ok, only 1.5 times as bad, since red is evenly divisble by white, but not yellow.

Too bad he didn't get a bunch of pinks.

[IgorSmiles]

2/4, $300 max buyin? Well, they still cant get the structure right but at least this one's playable.

[BeantownCaller]

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2/4, $300 max buyin? Well, they still cant get the structure right but at least this one's playable.

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There's no one correct structure, just as there isn't one correct tourney starting chip/blind format. There are common structures and accepted structures but every place is different.

75 big bets is better than 50 however, but I'm worried that this game will draw enough decent players from 5-5 that it might not be the fish fest we know and love. I bet 1-2NL will be the ultimate fish fest now, maybe even more so than before (if that's possible) because no self respecting poker player would play 1/2 when 2/4 is available, unless they had like $200 to their name.

[nate1729]

Don't you want the fish to keep some money? I don't always like playing it either, but there's more to objective quality of a structure than whether or not 2+2ers find it optimal.

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So, what's the deal with the pariah status of the yellow chips, anyway?


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The yellow chips are for the 2/4 and 4/8 games only. In the red chip games, it's annoying to add another denomination to the mix. White is more effective for making change anyway. Yellow doesn't add anything but confusion. It's confusing to try and see the size of a bet in NL with the $2 chips. In the 5/10, yellow just adds annoying change making.

I'm not one of the grumpy Foxwoods regulars who berates people for bringing yellow to a red chip game, but it still should be avoided.

[dibbs]

Very intersting. I predict that it will play a fair amount more sane than the 1/2, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were pretty similar. I wonder if they'll make it an all yellow chip game. If it is, I imagine the opening bets won't be so huge, but maybe not. This could lead to more chasing but I doubt that is possible giving the action in the 1/2. I really think it will more likely be a little tighter, some gamb00lers but some tighter wanna-be grinders and some older folk.

This may make the 5/5 a little worse, as some of the 1/2 players taking shots at the bigger game may just go to 2/4 instead but I doubt it would be significant.

I'm interested to see any reports from people that play in it in the near future.

[AKQJ10]

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I hope they make you play it all in yellow.

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Haha, that was precisely my first thought!

I also learned this weekend that apparently the intention once upon a time was to use the yellow chips for $6/12 LHE, but I guess people just loved their $5/10 with a kill so that was kept instead. Not like you couldn't do $6/12 with a half-kill, but I guess then you'd need $3 chips too.

[IgorSmiles]

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Don't you want the fish to keep some money? I don't always like playing it either, but there's more to objective quality of a structure than whether or not 2+2ers find it optimal.

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I love the condescending pseudo-supremacy towards players you perceive as weaker than you, but to answer your question, no, I want the fish to lose all their money. And they dont, and never will. Even a blind man walks into a wall every now and again.

Good no limit games are 100 BB or more, if you disagree, feel free to give some objective reasons. I cant think of any.

All yellow chips would suck!

[IgorSmiles]

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There's no one correct structure, just as there isn't one correct tourney starting chip/blind format. There are common structures and accepted structures but every place is different.



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Thanks for the lesson pal. And as to your second paragraph, god forbid you run into some competition. I enjoy easy money as much as the next guy, but I also love playing against good players. Call me crazy. Regardless, I'm sure the new 2/4 game will be quite fishy.

Go Yanks!

[BISCO]

if this makes the level of play in the 1-2 game even worse than it already is, i'm all for it. i have never played in a game in my life that is easier than the foxwoods 1-2 NL game.

i'm sure that plenty of people will still play the 1-2 game to start their session, then jump up to the 2-4 as soon as their stack gets around $3-400 (myself included)

[nate1729]

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Don't you want the fish to keep some money? I don't always like playing it either, but there's more to objective quality of a structure than whether or not 2+2ers find it optimal.

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I love the condescending pseudo-supremacy towards players you perceive as weaker than you,

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I don't mean to be condescending, or even pseudo-condescending, but I admit that dismissive obnoxiousness annoys me. I don't know whether you're better or worse than I am, by the way.

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but to answer your question, no, I want the fish to lose all their money. And they dont, and never will. Even a blind man walks into a wall every now and again.

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The idea is that you want the fish to lose as much money as possible, and the way to do that is not to have them put $500 on a 1-2 table and lose it in a hand. A little variance is a long-term good thing for us.

The blindness metaphor is interesting, and I admit I've having some difficulty penetrating the meaning of the last two sentences I just quoted; care to clarify?

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Good no limit games are 100 BB or more, if you disagree, feel free to give some objective reasons. I cant think of any.

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See above for my objective reasons. By the way, I don't play the 1-2 game, largely because of the capped buyin. I agree that good games, in terms of skill reward and my personal enjoyability, have 100 BBs or more, but the casino needs to worry about long-term game sustainability, and that benefits the sharks too.

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All yellow chips would suck!

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Indeed. I hate those things.

--Nate

[IgorSmiles]

Nate,

I didnt mean you were condecending me personally. Your idea (and I've heard others espouse it here too) that the fish winning a little back is good for the game is condecending, as if you are somehow better and could take their money at will. If it was up to me, I would take all their money on the first hand and I could care less if they come back, there will be a fresh crop of fisheys along tomorrow night. However, it doesnt work that way, at least not always. Unlike seemingly everyone else around here, I actually lose some nights.

And yes, I know exactly why the house at Foxwoods sets the cap at $100. To sustain the game and maximize the rake. I'm a player, not the house. I want to maximize my take, or at least my chances.

100 BB or more allows for deep stacks, this allows for strategy. The 100 game at fox has no strategy. It's a preflop game for simpletons (now I'll be condecending). The new structure is an improvement, but not enough to make me drop everything and run to play.

[nate1729]

Fair enough; I guess we just disagree. If it were possible, however, I'd gladly bet that the average fish loses more money *over the life of his playing the 1-2 game* than he would if the buyin were uncapped (or, to a lesser degree, capped at 200.)

If you play the 2-4, tell us how it is. Remarkable how void this thread is of actual game information.

--Nate