AK vs raise, call

[luckyplayer]

UTG is a 2+2er. He has not played a hand up to this point. MP has been very loose.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (7 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Hero (t770)
SB (t1965)
BB (t710)
UTG (t740)
MP1 (t1635)
MP2 (t905)
CO (t1275)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t150</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls t150, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>.

My thinking was that any raise except all in was probably going to be met by UTG pushing. Should I have reraised or called here?

[Maulik]

I'd fold this, I don't need to get involved with a tight aggressive player with a drawing hand. He's letting you know he has the same hand or QQ-AA + AkK

brilliant.

[adanthar]

Even a 2+2'er will fold lots of hands he will raise with, but he will also raise AQ and probably 99 here, which is why this is a call.

[Maulik]

I don't like calling this raise here, because I'm essentially drawing to 6 cards. I'm drawing essentially dead against Aces and to 3 cards against kings. To make this worse I'm calling away 10% of my stack.

brilliant

[Maulik]

I guess its important to know what the buyin is here, too

[luckyplayer]

10+1 game.

I guess my thinking was that laying this down would not really cause me any problems.

If I stay in, is this a call?

[Maulik]

If you were to stay in, I'd simply call hope to hit the flop. At the lower buyins, a flop that hits you may double you up or cost your opponent all of his chips.

brilliant.

[Matt R.]

I really really don't like folding AK here. You simply can't say for certain that UTG would ONLY raise AA-QQ, AK here just because he's a 2+2'er. With a way better read... and I mean a dead solid read, MAYBE you can fold AK here. I would push since there is 375 in the pot already, and calling leaves you with only ~12x BB left. If you're advocating folding AK here, does this mean that you'd fold QQ as well? If you KNOW the UTG raiser only has AA, KK, or AK your QQ isn't looking so hot. AK is a premium hand, there's no way I'm letting this go to one raise.

[luckyplayer]

So if he would have pushed instead, and MP2 folds, do you call your whole stack on it?

[Matt R.]

I'd find an open push with 15x the BB to be really strange. But if he's a 2+2'er and you give him credit for solid play, I couldn't see him doing it with a hand you beat. It would have to be JJ+ or AK I would think. I'd have to fold to a push in this instance. I advocated re-raising all-in to the original question because of the fold equity you have, and also because there is 375 in the pot already (half your stack).

[Unarmed]

Reraise to 739 to find out where you are.

[Maulik]

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I'd find an open push with 15x the BB to be really strange. But if he's a 2+2'er and you give him credit for solid play, I couldn't see him doing it with a hand you beat. It would have to be JJ+ or AK I would think. I'd have to fold to a push in this instance. I advocated re-raising all-in to the original question because of the fold equity you have, and also because there is 375 in the pot already (half your stack).

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This is reasonable, but I don't like the idea of calling a siginificant portion of my stack w/ only 800 chips to start. You could push, and I'd imagine this is going to be a coinflip. I'd imagine you're getting called here too


brilliant

[curtains]

I would move allin here preflop, and personally I think folding is terrible.

[Maulik]

so i'd like to know what happened here, what did you end up doing?

[luckyplayer]

Thanks for everyone's input. I think the last one by curtains was probably what I really needed to hear. I've only played 30 of these and am mainly sticking to AM's guide for rounds 1-3, then using eastbay's tool to figure out playing rounds 4 on. I knew I didn't want to call my whole stack, and feared a confrontation. Anyway, here is the whole HH.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (7 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Hero (t770)
SB (t1965)
BB (t710)
UTG (t740)
MP1 (t1635)
MP2 (t905)
CO (t1275)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t150</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls t150, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>.

Flop: (t375) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, MP2 checks.

Turn: (t375) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, MP2 checks.

River: (t375) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets t50</font>, UTG calls t50.

Final Pot: t475

UTG showed QQ, MP2 showed A4s.

[Maulik]

QQ, holla I was right!

brilliant

[Degen]

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I would move allin here preflop, and personally I think folding is terrible.


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Andre

[1C5]

I don't fold this but not sure if I should be calling it or moving all in PF.