Daniel N challenges anyone to a HU match.

[alf1380]

Here is the Link:

http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-forums/viewtopic.php?t=11498

[Daliman]

Near as I can tell, he'd be a fool to play Sam Farha in Omaha.

Is there any player that is more feared heads up in any game than Farha in Omaha?

[-Skeme-]

Apparently he's the best SH PL Omaha player there is.

[SoftcoreRevolt]

Somehow I don't think he has thought out his little plan too well.

[FishBurger]

Does Sklansky have the balls to challenge DN to HU limit match?

[TheBob]

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Does Sklansky have the balls to challenge DN to HU limit match?

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Probably not.

[ZBTHorton]

This sounds like fun.

If I was a young millionaire poker player..I'd do the same thing.

[cwsiggy]

If I was Phil Ivey, I'd run, not walk to the Wynn and play 7 card stud for a series of 100k matches. That is big time +EV for him.

[ZBTHorton]

I think pretty much anytime Phil is playing poker it's +EV.

[-Skeme-]

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Does Sklansky have the balls to challenge DN to HU limit match?

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..or the bankroll? I'm sure he's confident, but that's a lot of money.

[J-Lo]

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If I was Phil Ivey, I'd run, not walk to the Wynn and play 7 card stud for a series of 100k matches. That is big time +EV for him.

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y not 500k?

[duker41]

All of the big game players could pool their money and challenge him to the game/s of their choice. Put 4 or 5 challenges in front of him, which he makes a "priority" and you could get a very tired Negreanu playing fresh players in their game of choice.

[Martin Aigner]

With only 30BB for a 100k match or 50BB for 500k the luck factor seems to be pretty high. Why would he he want such a structure?

Martin Aigner

[eurythmech]

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Apparently he's the best SH PL Omaha player there is.

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Yeah, because...that's a quantifiable fact.

[David Sklansky]

I could be mistaken here but it seems like the Wynn is not going to take the big games away from the Bellagio. That's not good for Daniel, both because I believe he was expected to bring some of those games there and because I believe he pledged not to play anywhere in Vegas but the Wynn.

If I am right about the above, his challenge makes a lot of sense, even if he might be a small underdog in a few spots. Give up a tiny bit of EV to get some action down to his place.

As for me, I have little headup experience. In spite of that, a 100K freezout in stud hi-lo with no qualifier (his list didn't stipulate a qualifier) and a smallish ante is a game I ought to be a favorite in. But still not enough to make it worth my risk and time. Unless he can also get good TV and media coverage. If he can, I think he's got me.

[Sponger15SB]

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But still not enough to make it worth my risk and time.

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http://www.gotbirdsonline.com/rhode-island-red-chicken-pictures-breeders-chicks/pictures/rhode-island-red-chicken-0001.jpg

[-Skeme-]

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Yeah, because...that's a quantifiable fact.

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Basing this off of other player's word. Obviously meant "one of the best" SH PL Omaha players.

[Sundevils21]

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If I was Phil Ivey, I'd run, not walk to the Wynn and play 7 card stud for a series of 100k matches. That is big time +EV for him.

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from DN's post...
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I won't refuse anyone. The only stipulation I have is that if I lose a match to someone I have the right to take my lumps like a man and quit. If Phil Ivey comes down to the Wynn and plays me heads up for $500,000 for example, I won't back down. In my opinion, he is a better Stud player than me, but I'll play him anyway and hopefully learn a thing or two.

If I'm lucky enough to win, I'd gladly give him a rematch. If I feel truly outclassed, I won't accept any more challenges in that game from him. However, he is welcome to choose a new game from the list.


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So Daniel doesn't have to continue to play Phil in 7stud if he doesn't want to. Phil could go down the list though, and make $500K challenges in any game that he thought he had +EV.
I also(and maybe DS could help out on this one) wonder how many random richies would want to come down and play for fun. If that number is high, than I think Daniel could be in a winning situation. However if the ONLY people he ever played were the best in the world at their best games(even if only once), I think it would be tough to break even.

-Travis

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I could be mistaken here but it seems like the Wynn is not going to take the big games away from the Bellagio. That's not good for Daniel, both because I believe he was expected to bring some of those games there and because I believe he pledged not to play anywhere in Vegas but the Wynn.

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Ah, this sheds a very minor amount of light on the dynamics of the big game. There has been (very) occasional speculation that Daniel N is the relative fish in that game (of course, there has been the same speculation about everybody). The worse player he is perceived to be, the more likely he'd be able to start a game at the Wynn, or so one would think.

(Not asking for comment, this is just an observation)

(Edited to add "perceived")

[PoBoy321]

What does that picture even mean?

And I still cringe every time I see your avatar.

[The_Bends]

I like it a lot. Lets face it DN is one of THE big name players around at the moment. I'd love to see him take on either a name player or a complete random for comedy value. If he's doing it to get the big game to move to his casino I don't blame him either. Someone on his own forum suggested that this could become a 'king of the hill' style event which would be fantastic. Kind of like the heavywieght world championship in boxing. Lets say Ivey wins and agrees to continue the format where he picks the venue and a challenger picks the game.

Seriously this could be as big as the WSOP.

[TheMainEvent]

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With only 30BB for a 100k match or 50BB for 500k the luck factor seems to be pretty high. Why would he he want such a structure?

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Because he wants it to end in some reasonable amount of time.

Although I agree 30BB is ridiculous.

[disjunction]

We were speculating in a different thread that it's not the freezeout size that's important to him, it's the blind size (so he can continue to play in effect a very long game at his usual stakes), and in fact somebody noted that any losing matches will provide advertising value.

[mmbt0ne]

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I probably shouldn't be telling everybody about this before I run it by the people at the Wynn, but I have an idea that I think will be lots of fun for me, and hopefully profitable as well.

It's pretty simple really: I'll play anyone in the world a heads up freeze out for any amount from $100,000 to $500,000.

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I'm willing to bet that he has already run this by the people at the Wynn, and I'm also going to go out on a limb and say that he would be getting some sort of extra compensation from the Wynn, win or lose, for all of the attention such an event would attract. With that extra money coming in, it would be hard for him to be making a -EV choice in any game against any player.

[MonkeeMan]

I believe it's a picture of a big chicken.

[big_al]

"Sklansky won't play me, that I'm pretty sure of. David is a smart man and knows that the losing won't be good for his image. I've left a long list of possible games to choose from and he picked one that wasn't on the list.

I do expect to see other top players play me, but not David. He doesn't play for that kind of money and I truly feel like he has to much to loose, especially if I beat him in every discipline.

If he felt like it wasn't worth his time, I'd throw him a bone and lay him 1.10 on any of the matches. He can pick the game, the mix of games, and the amount. I would then come up with the ante structure which seems pretty fair if you ask me.

Again, Sklansky would never accept this match, but I'm sure some other high limit players would. Of course I'd only offer the 1.10 to David."

[Sundevils21]

zing!
I guess he meant 8 or better, lol.
to me it sounds like Daniel is trying to lure DS into playing a match that he doesn't want to.
Now DS has a little bait though with an extra 10K thrown in if he wins a $100K match.
I wonder at what point David would play Daniel? Obviously getting 2-1 David would have to play, right? Is there a magic number, 1.5?
I would think 1.1 should be enough for David to play him.

[mmbt0ne]

DN
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You can choose just one or any mix of games you want.
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Stud H/L

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DS
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100K freezout in stud hi-lo with no qualifier (his list didn't stipulate a qualifier)

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DN
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I've left a long list of possible games to choose from and he picked one that wasn't on the list.

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DN = bagina boy.

[BarronVangorToth]

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Is there a magic number, 1.5?

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I think it's safe to say that at 1.5 even if David didn't want to put up the full $100-$500K himself, that he would have investors chomping at the bit to get in on that action.

Daniel offering even 1.1 against someone as skilled as David already says to me that he is either really confident OR really eager to make this happen, especially given the stakes (as, obviously, most of us would offer 1.1 on meager stakes purely for adding the anecdote of playing a freezeout against David, even if -EV, but we're not talking $110 to $100 or even $1100 to $1000 ... we're in the six digits and it's going to be interesting).

Barron Vangor Toth
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[InfernoLL]

Yeah, what a pussy for not wanting to play a game that he (anybody) never plays while offering like 8 other games. You might as well challenge him to crazy pineapple and then declare yourself the alpha male when he declines.

[InfernoLL]

From DN's blog:

"The terms of my arrangement at the Wynn are private and the details of my arrangement have been grossly misrepresented in several internet newsgroups."

[mmbt0ne]

I think it's pretty clear that DN didn't specify how the high/low was set up. It's neither my nor Sklansky's problem if DN's prop betting skills are lacking. You would probably say that GoT didn't owe ED anything in the Weboggle fiasco.

[David Sklansky]

Last post on this subject:

1. Daniel didn't mention a qualifier. I suspected it was an oversight but wasn't sure. Hi-Lo without a qualifier is still sometimes played and it is the game my chapter is about in Doyle's first book. I believe it is the best poker chapter ever written and so do many others. So I thought Daniel might like the idea of playing the guy who even Doyle considers the authority on the subject.

2. I have virtually no experience heads up. Daniel should be a small favorite over me in the less technical games. In the more technical games such as single draw lowball, game theory should negate any psychological edge he might have.

3. For me to flip a coin for 100K someone would have to lay me 130-100.

4. I have to retract my earlier statement that extra publicity would make a close gamble worth it to me. That is still true. The problem is that it would be inappropriate for me to do something that the Wynn hotel could use for their benefit. Nothing at all against them. It's just that the Bellagio has generously let their casino be the one to put my game WPT All IN HOLDEM on their floor for the Nevada Gaming Commission's 90 day trial. So it would be extremely ungrateful for me to be a major part of any media event for a different hotel. Had that not slipped my mind, I wouldn't have even made my original offer.

5. I am willing to play the follwing headup game with Daniel if it is not used to publicize a non MGM hotel. Stud 8/B. $200 ante, $300 bring in. $500-$1000, $40,000 freezeout. He lays me 50,000 to 40,000. I have no reason to think he would take this deal but it is definite on my part. If he wants to double the stakes I expect I can sell half of myself. I offer this proposition only to set in stone a game that I would absolutely play. That doesn't mean I wouldn't entertain other propositions.

[spoohunter]

Dear God this is horribly entertaining. Does this mean I would probably like professioanl wrestling?