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Niwa
05-01-2005, 11:22 AM
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

CO ($90.79)
Button ($193)
Hero ($109.15)
BB ($141.25)
UTG ($276.55)
UTG+1 ($32.65)
UTG+2 ($125.5)
MP1 ($159.05)
MP2 ($89)
MP3 ($101.6)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif. Hero posts a blind of $0.5.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, MP3 calls $2, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $6</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero (poster) raises to $19.5</font>, BB calls $19, UTG folds, MP3 calls $18, CO calls $14.

Flop: ($82) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>

I PUSH. Standard?

My apologies. The converter doesnt work very well atm.

Finite_Risk
05-01-2005, 11:34 AM
I doubt the CO is reraising with JJ, so I would put him on KK, QQ or maybe AK (but would he call your reraise with that?)

I would worry more about the MP3 or BB - how loose is this table? Two guys called a twice reraised pot.

If you push, would KK call here given your big preflop raise?

Too many people in this pot for me not to think JJ is likely...tough not to push though

xorbie
05-01-2005, 11:36 AM
I think betting less here works. There are no draws, so you really want these guys to get all their money in. May as well put them on the installment plan.

Finite_Risk
05-01-2005, 11:39 AM
Thinking about this some more, not sure I would take the shot with JJ to hit a set if I had to call you cuz:

1. Somebody behind me might push, then I'd have to fold
2. Even if I feel I'm behind a bigger pair, the stack sizes left aren't big enough to get enough implied odds to try to hit the set

If somebody had JJ here, they may have gotten lucky, but I think it was a bad call....other thoughts on this logic appreciated.

RED FACE
05-01-2005, 12:04 PM
If you're willing to commit your stack you might as well try to get smaller pairs to call you. So how? Bet half the pot. I wouldn't check here as that screams top trips if you put any more money in.

Finite_Risk
05-01-2005, 12:10 PM
Seems like the right play...I assume you call if anyone pushes (someone might push with KK, QQ....or JJ)?

RED FACE
05-01-2005, 12:27 PM
JJ may not push at your 1/2 pot bet here so yes, I'd definitely call a push but your original line was to push not fearing trips so if you don't fear trips then, yeah, call a push. What would really scare me is a thoughtful call of your half pot bet by bb as that will look very much like a set just hoping one of the 2 behind will also call but still I'm committed.

Edit: sorry, I thought you were the op.

xorbie
05-01-2005, 01:48 PM
You are getting all your money in no matter what. Your goal is simply to get other people who might have a hand like KK/QQ to get their money in. I can't conceive of anyone having more than 5 outs to beat you here, so there's really no need to get overzealous in protecting your hand.

If someone has JJ, oh well, them's the breaks.