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this guy
05-01-2005, 01:33 AM
Hi guys, was wondering if this is a standard fold on the turn. Also, is it ok to raise preflop in this situation?

No reads on the villian, but most of the table was very passive.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG+1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB folds, BB calls.

Turn: (6 BB) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 7 BB
GoblinMason (Craig)
05-01-2005, 01:57 AM
I don't think it's an easy fold at all. In fact I think it's the worst of your 3 options. Fish love to stop and go you when a scare card falls.

If it were me, I would raise and fold to a 3bet and probably take a free showdown unless a non /images/graemlins/heart.gif A or 9 came.

-Craig
wrto4556
05-01-2005, 02:02 AM
imo, if you aren't raising this turn, you shouldn't be raising preflop.
imported_leader
05-01-2005, 02:04 AM
Whole hand is very read dependent. Without a read on the other people in the hand, the PFR is questionable especially since if UTG+1 is a reasonable player you would be making a mistake by raising. I'd also to be more likely to raise here if the blinds are tight and I could get it HU easily. I don't mind your turn play. It would be my first choice against most players, but your other option here would be to raise/folding to a 3-bet and check behind the river.
this guy
05-01-2005, 02:11 AM
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imo, if you aren't raising this turn, you shouldn't be raising preflop.

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Would you elaborate on this?
imported_leader
05-01-2005, 02:25 AM
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imo, if you aren't raising this turn, you shouldn't be raising preflop.

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Would you elaborate on this?

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My impression of that would be that if you RPF UTG+1 should be a bad player. If UTG+1 is a bad player, you should raise the turn. Maybe there is another reason too.
ArturiusX
05-01-2005, 02:38 AM
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imo, if you aren't raising this turn, you shouldn't be raising preflop.

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Would you elaborate on this?

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Don't isolate unless you can run over the top of him.
einbert
05-01-2005, 02:39 AM
Bad fold, bad.
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05-01-2005, 02:41 AM
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GoblinMason (Craig)
05-01-2005, 02:46 AM
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