three bubble hands on the bubble...wait or go for it? [Archive]

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PancakeBoy

04-30-2005, 10:02 PM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t300 (4 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

BB (t3530)
UTG (t1420)
Button (t860)
Hero (t2190)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
2 folds, Hero all in, BB calls t1890.

Flop: (t2340) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)

Turn: (t2340) T/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)

River: (t2340) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)

Final Pot: t2340

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (4 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

BB (t2530)
UTG (t3610)
Hero (t1060)
SB (t800)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
2 folds, Hero all in, BB calls t860.

Flop: (t1160) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)

Turn: (t1160) A/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)

River: (t1160) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)

Final Pot: t1160

and finally

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (4 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Button (t2380)
SB (t2445)
BB (t1265)
Hero (t1910)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
Hero All in

Flop: (t2110) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)

Turn: (t2110) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)

River: (t2110) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)

Final Pot: t2110

Nottom

04-30-2005, 10:07 PM

Is this a glorified bad beat post?

The pushes with AQ are automatic and the T6s is closer but probably ok.

BradleyT

04-30-2005, 11:35 PM

Hand 1, add BB to your buddy list for being a moron unless he had AA or QQ (or TT if you've been overly aggressive).

Hand 2 with T6 is iffy. Remember with button pushes you have 2x the opportunity to be called so your fold equity is decreased. SB is low on chips so his range of calling hands is going to be pretty large. BB has you covered but still should be folding most hands here.

Hand 3 is fine. Yes you're UTG and have more opportunity to be called but with stack sizes so close they'd be a moron to call with anything but a super premium hand.

This is also a great lesson on why you need to play 8 gajillion SnGs for things to even out. This is just 3 hands....

FieryJustice

05-01-2005, 12:37 AM

push
fold
push

Jdanz

05-01-2005, 12:38 AM

moron to call with tt? come again?

The Yugoslavian

05-01-2005, 12:44 AM

Hand 1 and 3 AQ is a monster...pushing is good.

Hand 2 I can't figure out if you are on the button or in the SB given the converter stupidness.

If on the button I'd fold...if in the SB I'm liable to push...I'd like to know who is in what position though first.

Yugoslav

Nottom

05-01-2005, 12:53 AM

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Hand 2 I can't figure out if you are on the button or in the SB given the converter stupidness.

Yugoslav

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My guess is he's on the button with no SB.

shayneon

05-01-2005, 01:09 AM

1 Push, unlucky that the BB had something

2 Fold, I would go through the blinds one more time - should be able to push with something higher than a 10.

3 Push

BradleyT

05-01-2005, 01:17 AM

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moron to call with tt? come again?

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BB was moron unless he HAD AA, QQ, TT.

If we're on the bubble with stacks like that and someone who hasn't been aggressive goes all in, I'm folding TT most of the time. I can wait for a much better spot to get my money in. If he's pushed my last 3 BB's while in his SB of course I'm calling with TT.

Nottom

05-01-2005, 03:30 AM

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BB was moron unless he HAD AA, QQ, TT.

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I have to ask ... whats wrong with KK and JJ?

Also, assuming hero is raising like he should. The BB can call much more liberally than you think (he has Hero covered by 1300 chips).

BradleyT

05-01-2005, 04:37 AM

It's a "bad beat" post and hero ended up with two pair, so the only non-donk hands are AA/QQ/TT.