PokerNOW scary Terms & Conditions

[rafct]

I was checking the bonuswhores website and found this part of the Pokernow T&C:

5. True Identity and One Account
The name on your Account must match your true and legal name and identity and the name on your PokerNow.com Account registration must match the name on the credit card(s) or other payment accounts used to deposit or receive monies in your Account. You are prohibited from holding more than one Account at PokerNow.com and any of the websites on the Shared Game/Table Platform. If you have more than one (1) Account or Accounts in different names, then you must contact us immediately to have your Accounts managed so that you only have one (1). If you have lost your Account name or password, please contact us for a replacement.

Should every player that uses pokernow & other skins worry about this? Not sure if this is a known part of the T&C.

[Michael Davis]

Idle threats.

-Michael

[Non_Comformist]

What could possibly be the problem with this?

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You are prohibited from holding more than one Account at PokerNow.com and any of the websites on the Shared Game/Table Platform.

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I'm guessing this?

[Freakin]

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What could possibly be the problem with this?

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You are prohibited from holding more than one Account at PokerNow.com and any of the websites on the Shared Game/Table Platform.

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I'm guessing this?

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Pokernow is the only site I can play texas hold'em at?!!?!?!? Oh god!!! I'm screwed! I guess I'll have to get into O8 or something for a decent rakeback deal.

Freakin

[StellarWind]

PokerNow T&C are very different from Party and Empire. Noteworthy:

1. Last modified date for PokerNow: 4/28/05 versus last December for the others.

2. Having accounts at PokerNow and another skin expressly forbidden in two places (#5 and #11).

3. PokerNow anti-AI clause prohibits "odds-calculators, hand-strength calculators, opponent-profiling ... software" in addition to bots.

IMO PokerNow T&C clearly forbids PokerTracker Game Time Window, PokerEdge, and the other popular real-time display tools that are allowed under the Party T&C.

Anyone know what the PokerNow T&C said before the latest changes? Could this represent the direction that Party is trying to head in?

[the_rookie]

Yeah I'm not using pokertracker or gametime there. It's not worth having funds confiscated, IMO.

[sfwusc]

You think they would go after your funds?


Without a warning?

SFWUSC

[the_rookie]

Confiscate was the wrong word. Just don't want to bother having my account frozen and the hassles that go with it.

[Aytumious]

PT Pats Take (http://www.pokertracker.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5102)

I had the same impression as Pat.

[TobDog]

Pat does have a point, they did make it easier to use PT because of Pat, but what about GT and PV? Anyone know, personally, I think they are threatning but wont do anything, many posters here use one of those overlay programs and we(hopefully never will) haven't heard of anyone haveing a problem.

[peregrine]

I read Pat's post. I have hard time believing most PT users track just their own stats and not opponents. It seems to me there is a good case for considering PT opponent-profiling and GT+ surely seems to fit also. I wonder if they will really follow thru on trying to stop this or if it's just for show.

[peregrine]

I'm not at all computer savv. How can they tell if you are using PT or GT+?

[NateDog]

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I'm not at all computer savv. How can they tell if you are using PT or GT+?

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Screenshots and scanning your open/running processes.

[goodguy_1]

Stellar good catch.After I clear this bonus I think I'm staying away from PokerNow permanently.

[SoftcoreRevolt]

Me too, I'm tempted to not even bother with the bonus, but it is just too tempting. It's like saying no to cheap sex with an ex girlfriend. You know she's bad for you, but.. sex is sex.

[otctrader]

WTF are you guys afraid of? Does anyone actually believe they will confiscate your assets for using Pokertracker when they've already proven they let bots, cheaters, and colluders off with a warning/slap on the wrist?

When I play B&M they take "screenshots" too, and if you don't like the invasion of privacy you can leave; the analogy would be getting thrown out of the casino with your chips confiscated for taking notes.

I'm happy they're going in this direction and have nothing to hide; it adds to the legitimacy of their games. If Habib wants to watch me view porn, that's fine.

[StellarWind]

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Yeah I'm not using pokertracker or gametime there. It's not worth having funds confiscated, IMO.

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That's not going to happen.

What may happen is the other skins change their T&C to match. The next step after that would be to publicize a new policy and start warning people. Pat is certainly correct that they have tolerated and even encouraged PT and the newer tools. But they could change their minds and move in a new direction.

Remember that all the sites read the zoo. Party knows that even the pro population who uses these tools is ambivalent about their fairness. It feels like we are trapped in an arms race, adopting new weapons just to avoid being at a disadvantage.

So I could understand why they might be having second thoughts about what they have allowed.

I'll ask again: are these clauses in the PokerNow agreement new? Perhaps some old PokerNow customer printed the T&C when they signed up? If they are new then I suspect they mean something. If they've been there all along it probably is just one of those funny things that don't quite make sense.

[TobDog]

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I'll ask again: are these clauses in the PokerNow agreement new?

[/ QUOTE ] They are current, I checked from the website last night

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1. Last modified date for PokerNow: 4/28/05 versus last December for the others.

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[parappa]

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1. Last modified date for PokerNow: 4/28/05 versus last December for the others.

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Yes, fine, but no one knows if the clauses arguably relating to these tools are what they changed. They could've changed something completely unrelated, and these clauses could've always been there.

[Freudian]

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Yeah I'm not using pokertracker or gametime there. It's not worth having funds confiscated, IMO.

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I cleared the bonus with PT and playerview. Money is alredy in my Neteller account.

Party didn't buy PokerNow to launch an attack on the player community. If they plan to ban tools, they will let us know in advance.

[goodguy_1]

Clearing this bonus has been freightfull for me I've had to make 2 more $500 deposits just to have enough money to multi-table $3-6 and $5-10.. I got stuck 90bb in $3-6 Full last nite and turned it around to make $34.36 at $3-6 ...Playing $5-10 Full got smoked for $400 luckily I made a few hundred playing $5-10 6MAX.My initial $1667 deposit looks like $1476 now -still got 300 hands left to play for this fuggin thing.
I also have been using PT and PVB w/o a problem.I will cash out and not return until the next bonus.

[TobDog]

Spoken like a true Hendrie fan...

If anything happens, we'll hear it hear very shortly after it does, I don't think they are going to confiscate funds without warning, and I know that if that was not there when we signed up and they plan on doing that, they will send warnings first(well, I assume, they will). As a community, the 2+2 ers do nitify eachother of things good and bad that affect us all, and I hope inthe future we still continut to do so.

[PsYcHo-ScHnAuZeR]

I can't believe you guys are such pansies.

They are not going to take people's money. They could not endure the bad publicity not only here but on RGP and every poker forum online. Taking away bonuses not intended for you is very different from taking the player's own money. There is no real risk here.

Grow some balls, you pansies.

[ibankonu]

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I cleared the bonus with PT and playerview. Money is alredy in my Neteller account.


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Same here, so i wouldn't start worrying too much.