KK gets capped pre-flop, A hits flop... do you call to the river? [Archive]

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KSOT

04-30-2005, 04:41 PM

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, Button 3-bets, 2 folds, UTG+1 folds, Hero caps, Button calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero calls.

Turn: (7.25 BB) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

River: (9.25 BB) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.25 BB

Would you have done the same?

Kyriefurro

04-30-2005, 04:52 PM

Reads would be helpful here.

Against an unknown, there's still a pretty good chance you're ahead on the flop. I probably would have 3-bet for information here. If he caps and then comes out shooting on the turn he's got at least an Ace, and probably a set of 'em, and I go into call-down mode (maybe even fold, depending on my reads). If he just calls I lead the turn too...and if he folds (which he might do with QQ or JJ), I win the pot /images/graemlins/wink.gif

River I'd check/call too, especially with that Q. It could easily give him a set or two pair if he didn't already have the aces.

Gravy (Gravy Smoothie)

04-30-2005, 05:35 PM

Honestly, I think the best line here is check-call/check-call/check-call. If he doesn't have an Ace he will likely fold if you're aggressive on the flop or turn. Normally in situations like this I'd check-call twice and bet the river planning on folding to a raise, but I think the pot is too big here to fold if Button raises the river.

w_alloy

04-30-2005, 09:53 PM

Against the average small stakes player I lay this down on the turn. If you think he is a tricky player I check-call down. If he checks behind lead out. I think this is one of the very few situations where this line is correct, as unless he has specifically QQ he'll prolly fold worse hands and call/raise better ones.

When taking this line, on the river you need to fold if you dont fold the turn. The only hand you can beat, unless hes a total lag, is JJs or possibly 99s (which is still somewhat unlikely given the flop raise)

Is this too weak-tight?

RollingRockMike

05-01-2005, 06:29 AM

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, Button 3-bets, 2 folds, UTG+1 folds, Hero caps, Button calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero calls.

Turn: (7.25 BB) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

River: (9.25 BB) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.25 BB

Would you have done the same?

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Call the turn if you hate money. W/o the nut Bdoor flush draw this is an easy flop bet / fold. Assuming regular 2/4 opposition w/ no read.

Mike