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pmuir10

04-29-2005, 04:26 PM

What do you guys think of these hands from tonight?

Hand 1:
Villain in this hand is about 42/0 over 14 hands.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

UTG ($169.05)
MP ($79.68)
CO ($109.2)
Button ($122.1)
Hero ($99)
BB ($93)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif. Hero posts a blind of $0.5.
UTG calls $1, MP calls $1, 1 fold, Button calls $1, Hero (poster) raises to $3.5, 1 fold, UTG calls $3, MP calls $3, Button calls $3.

Flop: ($17) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
Hero bets $10, UTG calls $10, MP folds, Button calls $10.

Turn: ($47) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
Hero bets $30, UTG folds, Button calls $30.

River: ($107) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $55 (which is exactly how much hero has left).

Final Pot: $162

Hand 2:

Yeah, it was a stupid flop check.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 5 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

BB ($113)
UTG ($71.56)
Hero ($91)
Button ($91.5)
SB ($143.49)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.5.
1 fold, Hero raises to $4, 1 fold, SB (poster) calls $3.50, 1 fold.

Flop: ($9) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($9) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
SB bets $2, Hero raises to $6, SB raises to $25, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $40

Hand 3:

These bets just sucked.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 max, 5 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Hero ($95.5)
UTG ($187.9)
MP ($35.5)
Button ($55.95)
SB ($153.71)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.5.
2 folds, Button raises to $2, SB (poster) calls $1.50, Hero raises to $8, Button calls $7, SB folds.

Flop: ($20) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: ($20) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $10, Button calls $10.

River: ($40) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $10, Button calls $10.

Final Pot: $60

Hand 4:
Is this fold too weak?

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CO ($153.65)
Button ($85.2)
SB ($271.35)
BB ($106)
UTG ($29.49)
Hero ($97.15)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.5.
1 fold, Hero raises to $4, 1 fold, Button calls $4, 2 folds.

Flop: ($9.50) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $6, Button calls $6.

Turn: ($21.50) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $10, Button raises to $20, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $51.50

I guess I'm just asking for help on how to play these hands out, because I really wasnt happy with any of them.

TrailofTears

04-29-2005, 05:55 PM

Hand 1: Raise more PF. Your tiny raise is pricing in SC's and PP's, not making it wrong for them to call. I think it looks okay to me, but I would call the river. One question back to you - what would you have done here if the river blanks?

Hand 2: Yeah, stupid flop check. Weak raise on the turn. Good fold, since you got yourself into this mess, this is the only safe way out of it.

Hand 3: Check the river. He will check behind. He likely has an ace but doesn't know about his kicker.

Hand 4: I call the min-raise. Then I bet another 10 on the river UI, and hope he makes the same min-raise with a lower overpair. I think you are ahead here and I don't lay this down so easily.

-Trail

pmuir10

04-29-2005, 06:28 PM

hmmm,

Hand 6:

This just happened after i posted the others. Should I have just called in the end? I guess i thought he was slowplaying a set or something(or maybe i just wanted him to be slowplaying a set)

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP ($157.79)
Hero ($98.5)
Button ($308.72)
SB ($90.7)
BB ($67.21)
UTG ($143.8)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.5.
1 fold, MP calls $1, Hero raises to $5, Button calls $5, 1 fold, BB calls $4, MP folds.

Flop: ($16.50) T/images/graemlins/club.gif, 4/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $10, Button calls $10, BB folds.

Turn: ($36.50) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: ($36.50) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $20, Button raises to $40, Hero calls $63.50 (All-In), Button calls $43.50.

Final Pot: $203.50

Results in white below: 
Hero has Ah Ad (three of a kind, aces).
Button has Js Kd (straight, ace high).
Outcome: Button wins $203.50.

TrailofTears

04-29-2005, 06:58 PM

Just call the raise on the river. Tough luck - it seems you have run into a few doozies with big PP. Just make sure not to try to rope too many players in with small bets/raises in order to get paid off and it will even out in your favor in the end.

Edit: And that is only Hand 5.

-Trail

pmuir10

04-29-2005, 07:39 PM

Do you think I should start rasing them to like 6x-8x preflop?

Appreciate the help Trail.

beset7

04-29-2005, 08:30 PM

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Turn: ($36.50) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

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I would never never do this. Were you looking to c/r? Don't slowplay on a coordinated two-flush board.

beset7

04-29-2005, 08:32 PM

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Do you think I should start rasing them to like 6x-8x preflop?

Appreciate the help Trail.

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Not unless you are going to raise 6-8xxBB with a variety of hands.

TrailofTears

04-30-2005, 01:07 AM

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Do you think I should start rasing them to like 6x-8x preflop?

Appreciate the help Trail.

Not unless you are going to raise 6-8xxBB with a variety of hands.

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Agreed. Keep your raising standards based on things other than hand strength (stack sizes, position, looseness of game etc.), but I typically just raise the standard 4xBB+1xBB/limper.

-Trail