figuring out my odds.

[gtrbld]

First post and I have to sat I'm really learning a lot. Thanks. A couple of questions involving my odds. How do I figure them out? I understand the basics and have read numerous books, Supersytem by Brunson, The Theory of Poker, Hold'em Poker and Small Stakes Hold'em by Sklansky some Caro as well. For example preflop AA vs KK is what, 4 1/2 to 1, or little bit more, how is this figured out? J10 suited vs a pair of 4's, which hand is the underdog,and how is this figured out? I'm fairly competant at math(I understand permutations and figuring out that runner,runner clubs for a back door flush draw is computed like (10/47)(9/46), I learned both of these here.) I think I'm just little confused and would appreciate any help offered thanks. /images/graemlins/confused.gif

[gaming_mouse]

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First post and I have to sat I'm really learning a lot. Thanks. A couple of questions involving my odds. How do I figure them out? I understand the basics and have read numerous books, Supersytem by Brunson, The Theory of Poker, Hold'em Poker and Small Stakes Hold'em by Sklansky some Caro as well. For example preflop AA vs KK is what, 4 1/2 to 1, or little bit more, how is this figured out? J10 suited vs a pair of 4's, which hand is the underdog,and how is this figured out? I'm fairly competant at math(I understand permutations and figuring out that runner,runner clubs for a back door flush draw is computed like (10/47)(9/46), I learned both of these here.) I think I'm just little confused and would appreciate any help offered thanks. /images/graemlins/confused.gif

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By a computer program which does a simulation or a complete enumeration of all possible board cards. You can download one free:

www.pokerstove.com (http://www.pokerstove.com)

[LetYouDown]

Yes, you can obviously figure them out with a program. http://www.twodimes.net has a relatively simple interface for allowing you to calculate the %age's for as many hands as you like. The long and the short of it, is that it really boils down to memorizing common scenarios. There really aren't that many in hold 'em. PP vs. another PP. Overcard connectors (suited/unsuited) vs. low PP. Two overs vs. two unders. There's obviously deviations for connectors, suited cards, even one pair versus another...but at the end of the day, it's really important to memorize a bunch of these common scenarios. It will give you a surprisingly accurate "guess" the next time two hands are flipped over preflop.