A Hand Against CDC

[sthief09]

don't have a read on other guy. I think I made a couple of mistakes

also worth nothing that CDC is kind of screwing around, and I took that into consideration


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Preflop: Hero is SB with T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button (CDC) 3-bets</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls, MP calls.

Flop: (13 SB) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls, MP folds, CDC calls.

Turn: (8 BB) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CDC 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, UTG calls, CDC calls.

River: (20 BB) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">CDC raises</font>, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 26 BB

[bunky9590]

river is expert. Gets an overcall from UTG and Chris will probably fold to a three bet unless he's real strong. (i.e beating you).

I know chris is capable of the river raise and fold to the three bet. Nice river play.

[DrGutshot]

looks purfek to me.

-DrG

[TStoneMBD]

i dont like it. you really think cdc is raising through 2 players with a hand he wont fold on to a 3bet? besides, if he knows you know hes capable of folding to 3bets, then he has to call.

[sy_or_bust]

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i dont like it. you really think cdc is raising through 2 players with a hand he wont fold on to a 3bet? besides, if he knows you know hes capable of folding to 3bets, then he has to call.

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I'm not sure what you mean? The point of the river is to build the same pot size using UTG's overcall instead of a 3-bet, when UTG usually drops out and CDC folds most beaten hands and caps JJ/55

[TStoneMBD]

i know what the point of going for the overcall is. i just dont think its as profitable here as 3betting is.

[sthief09]

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i know what the point of going for the overcall is. i just dont think its as profitable here as 3betting is.

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after the turn, I thought to myself "oh [censored] I just overplayed that bad." then when I got raised on the river I got kind of flustered and didn't really think things through. he raises the flop with JJ every single time.

[sthief09]

not gonna lie. that wasn't my thought process

[Surfbullet]

I have not played with CDC, so I don't know what he is capable of, but I 3-bet this river because the pot is so huge I expect to collect extra bets from both players.

I think you are far more likely to be up against 99(esp with the 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif) given the way he played the hand than JJ. He's certainly not doing this with an overpair, though a straight is possible (if he'll 3bet KQ pf? I dunno.)

Surf

[sthief09]

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you are far more likely to be up against 99(esp with the 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif) given the way he played the hand than JJ. He's certainly not doing this with an overpair, though a straight is possible (if he'll 3bet KQ pf? I dunno.)


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exactly. he raises the flop with JJ every time. I overplayed the turn and got really flustered and didn't think things through on the river. major mental error

[Entity]

I don't get the river. Chris doesn't have JJ 33% of the time and I seriously don't think donk is folding, ever.

Rob

[Joe Tall]

The turn is overplayed. They both have you beat there and have hands worthy of a showdown, like KQ and a flush so you missed bets on the river.

Peace,
Joe Tall

[sthief09]

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The turn is overplayed. They both have you beat there and have hands worthy of a showdown, like KQ and a flush so you missed bets on the river.

Peace,
Joe Tall

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I wouldn't say they both have me beat, but one of the two has me beat just about every time, which is important. I agree that it's overplayed though. I got flustered after that, realizing it was a dumb cap and pussed out on the river

[Joe Tall]

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I wouldn't say they both have me beat, but one of the two has me beat just about every time, which is important. I agree that it's overplayed though. I got flustered after that, realizing it was a dumb cap and pussed out on the river

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Yes, I over stated that. Let me rearrange: One surely has you beat, you over played but there is enough action on the turn that they are hog-tied to the pot and have hands that are likley worth a showdown, you missed bets on the river.

Peace bro,
JT

[Surfbullet]

I hadn't addressed the turn but I also think it was overplayed, especially when UTG wakes up and raises. We're looking for boat outs so I'd slow down then.

UTG's hand looks like a KQ that is scared of the flush, or even a weak flush, but he's def going to showdown so he's in for as many bets as you can take him on the river once he calls the first time.

Surf

[BottlesOf]

How can you not 3-bet this river?

[Joe Tall]

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river is expert. Gets an overcall from UTG and Chris will probably fold to a three bet unless he's real strong. (i.e beating you).

I know chris is capable of the river raise and fold to the three bet. Nice river play.

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