There (but for the grace of god) go I.

[SamIAm]

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

UTG+1 is LA-P. MP1 is TA-A. MP3 is LP-A. It was a good (loose aggressive) table.

Preflop: SamIAm is BB with 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, SamIAm calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 3-bets</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 caps</font>, SamIAm folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (14.40 SB) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 caps</font>, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (13.20 BB) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, MP1 folds, MP3 calls.

River: (15.20 BB) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, MP3 calls.

Final Pot: 17.20 BB

Results:
UTG+1 has Jc Jh (three of a kind, jacks).
MP3 has As Ac (one pair, aces).
Outcome: UTG+1 wins 17.20 BB.

Do you think I should have called the cap preflop? I mean, clearly I shouldn't, because the J came on the river. Duh. But in case you DON'T know the river, I guess you need to make some assumptions about the value of a set, vs the chances of getting one at all. Is it worth 2:14?

-Sam

[bdk3clash]

This preflop fold is bad. Unless you knew you would lose to a rivered overset, in which case you should fold the first time around.

[KDawgCometh]

Pattern Mappers are great aren't they?. I think you have to call that PF, your implied odds are huge. It looks like its gonna be a massive pot, which if you hit it big then you'll take down some nice cheese

[damaniac]

At 7:1, you practically have set value in the call itself. You do run the risk of being against a couple of overpairs a decent portion of the time, which will make set-over-set approx 20% of the time (???). Still, they like their hands and will pay you well when you make your set. Folding a pocket pair after putting in two bets preflop is pretty much always going to be a mistake. It is a big one here.

[einbert]

Heh, the inital preflop call is borderline.

The fold when it comes back two more to you is VERY bad.

[Jeff W]

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Heh, the inital preflop call is borderline.

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Huh?

[SamIAm]

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Heh, the inital preflop call is borderline.

The fold when it comes back two more to you is VERY bad.

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Do you mean protecting my blind was bad but folding to the cap was worse? If the answer to that question is "yes", then my next question is "Are you crazy?" /images/graemlins/smile.gif
-Sam

I think you guys are right. The implied odds make the cap-call pretty clear. Must have been a higher power protecting me from that river, clouding my eyes so that I might see.

[sfer]

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Heh, the inital preflop call is borderline.

The fold when it comes back two more to you is VERY bad.

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Folding any of the two decisions preflop is terrible. How can you possibly contemplate folding the first time?