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PokerBob
04-28-2005, 09:57 PM
....becuase I just don't get it. I've seen more donktastic limp/rr nonsense recently. Anyone else experienceing this, or are these jackasses seeking me out? Is this the new Spring fashion???

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Preflop: Hero is BB with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button caps</font>, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (12.33 SB) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button caps</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (10.16 BB) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (12.16 BB) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls.

Final Pot: 14.16 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Kd Ks (straight, king high).
Button has Ac As (one pair, aces).
Outcome: Hero wins 14.16 BB. </font>

Harv72b
04-28-2005, 10:03 PM
In this particular case it's possible that Button just has a read on you &amp; the SB as being tight players, so he's smooth-calling in hopes of winning more bets HU vs. MP2. I don't think it makes much difference in this hand, as you're capping if he 3-bets PF anyway.

What I have seen is a lot more limp/rr plays with crap hands. Over the past week I've been limp/reraised by such powerhouses as A7o, QJo, 44, and 94s.

Spartan1983
04-28-2005, 10:03 PM
Maybe you need to change your screen name(s). Obviously all the donks have you on their buddy list. /images/graemlins/grin.gif NH

toss
04-28-2005, 10:05 PM
I'd still 3-bet the flop like you did.

rmarotti
04-29-2005, 04:04 AM
Nice suckout.

NickRegino
04-29-2005, 04:06 AM
i think i would have played it the same way

Kyriefurro
04-29-2005, 12:13 PM
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What I have seen is a lot more limp/rr plays with crap hands. Over the past week I've been limp/reraised by such powerhouses as A7o, QJo, 44, and 94s.

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I'm seeing that a lot too. My favorite was the 57o that got reraised last night. It's to the point that I'm starting to wonder if there's some sort of article in a major newspaper or magazine that suggests the limp/rr as a "good play" and the fish aren't understanding when to apply it.

MercTec
04-29-2005, 12:16 PM
Checkraising the river here would have been pimp

flair1239
04-29-2005, 12:18 PM
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....becuase I just don't get it. I've seen more donktastic limp/rr nonsense recently. Anyone else experienceing this, or are these jackasses seeking me out? Is this the new Spring fashion???

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No, I have seen this more and more lately. Much of it in inappropriate situations.

The other favorite donk trick that is back in style (If it ever went out of style), is the turn semi-bluff checkraise when they pick up a flush or straight draw on the turn, after You have raised the flop. I don't necessarily mind this one, but I don't like having to increase my call down frequency.

TripleH68
04-29-2005, 12:33 PM
Fancy play syndrome.

And without a doubt they are seeking you out.

SeaEagle
04-29-2005, 12:36 PM
I have seen this particular PF play recommended in several articles/books. This isn't so much a traditional LRR, as it's a cold call to bring in more players. Ideally, you would like about 3 opponents for your AA. And if you have to choose, you're probably better off with 4 than 2.

In the case here, it came back to him for 3-bets so the pot is big enough that he doesn't need to disguise his hand any longer.

Disclaimer: I hadn't made this play in forever until last week, when I cold called on the button with aces and both blinds called. I lost a huge pot to the BB's 42s when the flop came A53. I know I'm probably playing results but I have resolved never to make this play again. /images/graemlins/blush.gif

thejameser
04-29-2005, 12:41 PM
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Nice suckout.

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i think we have all been on both sides of that one.

StellarWind
04-29-2005, 12:53 PM
I suspected the aces the moment I saw the backcap. The only thing missing is the read. If Button is a good player you are in great danger. I don't personally make this flatcall from the button with AA versus one opponent, but I know that some members of this forum will. It's also something a tight/passive might try.

If he's not a tight player or you have no read you should expect some frivolous nonsense like 44 or JTs.

brazilio
04-29-2005, 12:56 PM
A pair of aces is gonna check that through, buddy. He's not beating any capping preflop hand.

MercTec
04-29-2005, 01:01 PM
Thats why i said it would have been pimp and not standard. But you'd be surprised by how many donks fall in love with AA and just bet/raise blindly with it post flop. They don't see the 4 to a straight and keep on going. If the villian is aggro then it worth a shot every now and then, sure ya might whiff sometimes, but meh.

PokerBob
04-29-2005, 02:05 PM
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Nice suckout.

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get someone out here who can guard me.

PokerBob
04-29-2005, 02:08 PM
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And without a doubt they are seeking you out.

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Why would anyone seek me out, unless they hated money??? /images/graemlins/grin.gif

coolhanded
04-29-2005, 02:15 PM
Party $5/$10 Bad Beat Jackpot last night----guys raised UTG with 75s. Buddy list.

bobbyi
04-29-2005, 02:19 PM
You're asking about his preflop play? What's the problem? Three-betting is another option, but the way he played it is certainly fine.