Draw....

[Scuba Chuck]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (6 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP (t910)
CO (t945)
Button (t1665)
SB (t1380)
Hero (t2515)
UTG (t2585)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls t50, MP calls t50, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero checks.

Flop: (t175) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t75</font>, UTG calls t75, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to t300</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero ......

[Patriarch]

I would push. You have plenty of outs. I am drunk atm though.

[adanthar]

The reason you shouldn't call/push the turn is because it's a 3 way pot and you have little to no FE against the raiser. What you really want (other than to fold, I guess, if anyone votes for that) is UTG out of the hand.

[Scuba Chuck]

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The reason you shouldn't call/push the turn is because it's a 3 way pot and you have little to no FE against the raiser. What you really want (other than to fold, I guess, if anyone votes for that) is UTG out of the hand.

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Don't you think a call or a push will take UTG out of this hand?

[lehighguy]

Push because your actually ahead here. There are many other reasons but the double draw makes this a really easy decision.

[adanthar]

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Don't you think a call or a push will take UTG out of this hand?

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If he has 87, what odds will he be getting to overcall after your call?

[Scuba Chuck]

Well, I wasn't sure, but I pushed this hand. Was wondering if I was too aggressive. Luckily, I had chips remaining after villains' Q8 (black cards) held up.

[Al P]

Who the hell said fold? You're a favorite over kings!

pokenum -h ad 7d - kc ks -- 8h 5d 6d
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 6d 5d 8h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ad 7d 608 61.41 364 36.77 18 1.82 0.623
Ks Kc 364 36.77 608 61.41 18 1.82 0.377

[PoBoy321]

I think it's an easy push, you have a ton of outs, you have MP covered and you want UTG out of the hand.

[Scuba Chuck]

Huh, didn't even know I was ahead...

Hand 1: 61.7172 % [ 00.61 00.01 ] { Ad7d }
Hand 2: 38.2828 % [ 00.37 00.01 ] { Qs8c }

[pzhon]

Why do so many people say they want UTG out? If you hit either draw, you will probably beat both opponents, so why not triple your money 60% if the time rather than double it?

[adanthar]

Because you don't *really* want a hand like Ax or especially 87 (or any 7) in there with you.

[AJ_Rider]

Is raising to t910 (or somewhere around the size of MP's stack) a ridiculous concept? Does it have some (dis)advantages compared to just calling or just pushing that I'm missing?

Conceptually, it looks funny, and I like funny looking bets in these sorts of situations. They are (vaguely) harder to read.

[tjh]

Shouldn't you have bet that flop a little more than $75 ?

Just curious. I would have thrown 100 out there.

Tons of outs for sure but you will have plenty of time to push people around later. I would fold here, most of the time against most opponents.

[spentrent]

I think you oughtta bet the flop more strongly to get the villains to fold. This smells like a HOH probe bet that I'd rather see with TPWK, not a strong draw. In this case, you have a great drawing hand but you'd rather take the pot now rather than build it.

I'd bet the pot on the flop and hope for two folds. With one caller, I consider jamming the turn, but with two callers I'd fall back into weak mode.

In this scenario -- after leading 75 -- you don't know whether MP is making a play on perceived weakness or actually has a made hand. I'd call either way. He's committing himself to this pot so you're getting correct implied odds. There's also UTG who could pay you off as well.

I could get away from this on the turn since I am expecting MP to jam the pot if I and UTG check. Unless my immediate odds are good enough.