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gh9801
04-27-2005, 08:19 PM
Villain is a good 20+2 PP multitabler and is very TAG early. I've played with him many times.

10/15 blinds - Villain has 775 behind, Hero has 990

Villain in MP open raises to 75
Two cold callers.
From BB I reraise to 300
Villain moves allin
Both cold callers fold

What do you guys think, can Hero fold this?
EDIT: I know I have massive odds to call, but can you guys really see this guy doing this with any other hand than aces?

DasLeben
04-27-2005, 08:22 PM
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Villain is a good 20+2 PP multitabler and is very TAG early. I've played with him many times.

10/15 blinds - Villain has 775 behind, Hero has 990

Villain in MP open raises to 75
Two cold callers.
From BB I reraise to 300
Villain moves allin
Both cold callers fold

What do you guys think, can Hero fold this?

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Call or ban.

gh9801
04-27-2005, 08:24 PM
I'm assuming Villain knows I am also very TAG early on, and it's hard for me to see Villain going allin against my reraise with any hand other than AA, even without the odds can I still fold this?

adanthar
04-27-2005, 08:24 PM
I didn't really read your post after '20+2', but no.

valenzuela
04-27-2005, 08:26 PM
U have more than 2-1 pot odds and kings...are u high?

pooh74
04-27-2005, 08:31 PM
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Villain is a good 20+2 PP multitabler and is very TAG early. I've played with him many times.

10/15 blinds - Villain has 775 behind, Hero has 990

Villain in MP open raises to 75
Two cold callers.
From BB I reraise to 300
Villain moves allin
Both cold callers fold

What do you guys think, can Hero fold this?

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Ive always made it a point to never berate someone for asking stupid questions here...

...........................and.................... ............................so.................... ......wtf............................

valenzuela
04-27-2005, 08:33 PM
actually I like being berated and insulted for asking something stupid, if adanthar tells u" ure an idiot" is much more useful than some kind response.

pooh74
04-27-2005, 08:37 PM
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actually I like being berated and insulted for asking something stupid, if adanthar tells u" ure an idiot" is much more useful than some kind response.

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agreed...it makes your answer unequivocal...anyway, this thought was awful...i wouldnt even think of folding it...AA, come and get me.

adanthar
04-27-2005, 08:38 PM
Offtopic:

Most of that harsh stuff is because I post on a really sarcastic humor site and/or because I happen to think shocking people into thinking about their hands improves their game more than long explanations (and/or because newbies that get pissed and flame me are funny).

If the schtick gets old and I get some posts/PM's to that effect, I can always cut it out.

Patriarch
04-27-2005, 08:39 PM
I never fold this against one opponent, no matter how TAG I think he is.

gh9801
04-27-2005, 08:41 PM
I've never even though about folding KK preflop in a 20+2 SNG until now. This time I thought about it for 2 seconds. Of course I called, I just want to see if I can fold when it seems very obvious he has AA considering what type of player Villain is, despite obvious math odds for call and that I have KK. That's all.

valenzuela
04-27-2005, 08:47 PM
lets suppose villains range is QQ+, the call is profitable

Phoenix1010
04-27-2005, 08:54 PM
It seems you have a lot of previous experience with him, so you can trust your read to some extent. You think he needs a very strong hand to go all-in, so we can cut his hands down to the very top: AA, AKs, KK, and QQ. Even if you give him this super-tight range, you are still a small favorite, close to a coinflip, and getting 2:1 odds. You cannot lay down this edge. If your read is so dead accurate that you can eliminate QQ or AKs from his range (I honestly don't think this is possible at a 20+2, no matter how well you know this player), only then can you begin to consider this close.

-Phoenix

SNOWBALL138
04-27-2005, 09:34 PM
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