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Aukai
04-27-2005, 07:20 PM
1st orbit, no info. Check/fold or take a stab?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

UTG+1 ($141.16)
MP1 ($49.25)
MP2 ($40.54)
MP3 ($54.84)
CO ($38.75)
Button ($64.7)
Hero ($49)
BB ($16.63)
UTG ($117.77)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. Hero posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP3 calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $0.50, <font color="#CC3333">Hero (poster) raises to $2.75</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls $2.50, MP3 folds, Button calls $2.50.

Flop: ($10) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $3</font>, Hero calls $3, UTG folds.

Turn: ($16) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: ($16) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $15</font>

Ben
04-27-2005, 11:13 PM
I would have bet pot on the flop.

I don't like calling a bet and then checking the turn, the weakness smell might be from you /images/graemlins/smile.gif

-Ben

d'Anconia
04-27-2005, 11:31 PM
u should not be calling many bets after the flop in hold'em - either raise or fold to find out where u r at

if you're checking after the flop, should be for the purpose of check-raising

you showed strength pre-flop and then weakness after the flop by not betting or check raising

button should put you all-in after the turn or after your bet on the river

imo

Aukai
04-28-2005, 12:22 AM
I agree that up until the river, any stench of weakness was coming from me. I didn't continue on the flop OOP because I felt that, whatever hands these guys called a raise with, this flop probably hit in some way, so I wanted to see what developed. 90% of the time I bet AK unimproved on the flop, this was one of the few times I opted not to. A flop checkraise would have been a good idea, at least to define what else is out there.

On the river though, given his weak flop bet and turn check, what range of hands do you put him on, and how often is this bet successful vs. that range?

d'Anconia
04-28-2005, 12:47 AM
my guess is button had an open-ended straight draw after the flop - should have put you all in after the turn as it would have been a difficult call from u in that position as you would have to put him on at least a pair

fuzzbox
04-28-2005, 04:48 AM
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u should not be calling many bets after the flop in hold'em - either raise or fold to find out where u r at

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That is a very dangerous line to take.
Also, if you only ever raise or fold, then you will find it difficult to trap others, and you will be much more likely to trap yourself.

fuzzbox
04-28-2005, 04:50 AM
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my guess is button had an open-ended straight draw after the flop - should have put you all in after the turn as it would have been a difficult call from u in that position as you would have to put him on at least a pair

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If you do that everytime a pf raiser check/calls on the flop, then you are going to lose your money to a set/two-pair very very often.

d'Anconia
04-28-2005, 06:10 PM
if you don't understand this concept you shouldn't be playing poker

d'Anconia
04-28-2005, 06:14 PM
i don't see where i mention "everytime"

every situation is relative, agreed? surely we take into account the playing style of our opponents, yes?

you will leave alot of money on the table if you make it a habit to check good hands after the flop and turn - not to mention you won't know where u r at most of the time

good luck!

hukilai
04-28-2005, 08:34 PM
bet/cr flop and fold to a reraise.
check/fold on turn. Bet pot on river, fold to push.

-Skeme-
04-28-2005, 08:52 PM
Check-calling here after you were the preflop raiser is incredibly weak.