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stankybank

04-27-2005, 05:56 PM

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UTG+1 ($653.85)
MP1 ($673.80)
MP2 ($785.55)
CO ($699.45)
Button ($678.70)
SB ($542.85)
BB ($752.75)
Hero ($591.20)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
Hero calls $6, UTG+1 calls $6, MP1 calls $6, 3 folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($30) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $14, UTG+1 calls $14, MP1 calls $14, SB folds, BB folds.

Turn: ($72) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $54, MP1 folds, Hero calls $54.

River: ($180) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks.

Final Pot: $180

I feel like I played this incorrectly. I'm thinking my flop bet is really weak inviting all kinds of draws and overpairs and any other playable hand that hit the flop to call behind me. I should've potted it to make my decisions on latter streets easier. Anyhow, I bet small testing the waters because it was a limped pot and my hand could very well be no good.

Second, I checked the turn to see how the action develops behind me. If it turned out to be heavy, I would've folded. I risked giving a free card sensing that wouldn't happen. Perhaps my second mistake.

I'd like some comments on different approaches to this hand. Thanks.

TrailofTears

04-27-2005, 06:24 PM

Bet more on the flop. Bet the turn. Put out a blocking/value bet on the river.

You set yourself up to get drawn out on here, or blown out of the pot by an aggro opponent. I don't know if either one happened, but it is just something to think about.

-Trail

Edit: I don't think your line was terrible though, as you might have scared away an overpair with a more aggressive betting line.

Siawyn

04-27-2005, 07:30 PM

First off, you could stick this in the high stakes NL forum.. anything over 2/4 can go there.

Secondly I'd definitely bet the flop harder... however, when the blank comes on the turn, I am betting out again. There is no reason to expect that we are behind here, some junky 2 pair or a bigger set would have raised you on the flop. I then throw out a blocking type-bet on the river to make it really difficult for someone to raise you.

FreakDaddy

04-27-2005, 08:06 PM

Well I think you correctly analyzed your hand. The flop bet needed to be a bit larger. At least 2/3 of pot itsn't bad here, and I'd prefer it over pot sized for several reasons. It may make some people call with gutshots getting incorrect odds and I think you have a fairly solid hand even though the pot is multi-way. I'm not sure what your turn check is about?? If you're concerned about the board, a check raise-isn't that bad here. Yet giving up control of the hand at this point is way too timid. You need to stay in control of this hand. I mean what range of hands are you putting UTG+1 on that say you may be beat? I'm totally confused unless he's playing junk cards from EP. I would have value bet the river as well.

Well, I think you know you misplayed the hand, but the bigger question is why did you? /images/graemlins/smile.gif

TrailofTears

04-27-2005, 08:42 PM

[ QUOTE ]
I'm not sure what your turn check is about?? If you're concerned about the board, a check raise-isn't that bad here.

[/ QUOTE ]

I think you meant to say "if you're not concerned about the board, and you know villain will bet out, a check-raise isn't that bad here." What you said makes negative sense. All rebuttals welcomed.

-Trail

Felipe

04-28-2005, 12:08 AM

blindpost:

i'm a beginning NL player, my game is usually limit though. but here's my 2 cents.

because it was a limped pot and my hand could very well be no good.

I don't blieve that someone's going to beat you here. There are straight draws out there, so double the pot. Its not common that a set beats a set at the showdown (eg. 444 beats your 222). I think you have little fear here. You had a great opportunity to check raise the turn. You have a very good hand. That eight doesn't do much for anybody. I think the UTG+1 guy thinks you have junk. Please correct him /images/graemlins/wink.gif I don't know the players are your table. seems like UTG+1 wants to know where you're at. Let him know... I wouldn't slow play this because, like your subject says, scarry flop. Fast play it, hope for the best

thoughts..........

boondockst

04-28-2005, 03:20 AM

you think that's a scary flop??????

7K hands in 5 days the only 4 times i've lost with sets. Yes this is a bad beat post as one of them just happened. Yes i had to call each time (crying call/maybe he just has nut flush draw/two pair/maybe i'll actually catch a full house for once = no)

3 in the last 24 hours:

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saw flop|saw showdown

SB ($38.75)
BB ($17.77)
UTG ($38.22)
Hero ($25.15)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.1.
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.5, SB (poster) calls $0.40, 1 fold.

Flop: ($1.25) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.25, SB calls $1.25.

Turn: ($3.75) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3.6, SB calls $3.60.

River: ($10.95) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $10.45, SB raises to $20.9, Hero calls $9.35 (All-In).

Final Pot: $51.65

Results in white below: 
SB has 3d Ad (flush, ace high).
Hero has 4s 4h (three of a kind, fours).
Outcome: SB wins $51.64. 

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saw flop|saw showdown

Button ($20.8)
SB ($25.55)
BB ($62.56)
UTG ($31)
MP ($27.61)
Hero ($46.05)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.1.
UTG calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1, Button calls $1, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.75.

Flop: ($3.35) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
UTG bets $2, Hero raises to $7, Button folds, UTG calls $5.

Turn: ($17.35) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $20, UTG calls $23 (All-In), Hero calls $3.

River: ($63.35) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $63.35

Results in white below: 
UTG has 5d 6d (flush, ace high).
Hero has Ah As (three of a kind, aces).
Outcome: UTG wins $63.35. 

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saw flop|saw showdown

CO ($53.24)
Button ($19.76)
SB ($26.83)
Hero ($21.45)
UTG ($27.5)
MP ($26.9)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.1.
UTG calls $0.25, 1 fold, CO calls $0.25, Button calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero checks.

Flop: ($1.10) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
Hero bets $0.25, UTG folds, CO calls $0.25, Button raises to $2, Hero raises to $15, CO folds, Button calls $17.51 (All-In), Hero calls $4.51.

Turn: ($40.37) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($40.37) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $40.37

Results in white below: 
Hero has 5s 5h (three of a kind, fives).
Button has 2c Kc (flush, king high).
Outcome: Button wins $20.86. Hero wins $19.51. 

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saw flop|saw showdown

UTG ($36.25)
MP ($35.6)
Hero ($18.71)
Button ($12.65)
SB ($25.65)
BB ($3.15)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.1.
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, 1 fold, SB (poster) calls $0.65, 1 fold.

Flop: ($1.75) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1, SB calls $1.

Turn: ($3.75) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $5, SB calls $5.

River: ($13.75) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
SB bets $5, Hero calls $11.96 (All-In), SB calls $6.96.

Final Pot: $37.67

Results in white below: 
SB has 5c Ac (flush, ace high).
Hero has Kh Kd (three of a kind, kings).
Outcome: SB wins $37.67.